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  • #842
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    "her penis" :confused:

    Does not compute.
    We're through the looking glass people.
    Her penis. And someone defending it.


  • #843
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    To be honest if one of my male friends wanted to identify as a women I’d just go with it. So what if I have to refer to him as “her”. The fact that in my thoughts I may still consider this person as male is hardly relevant is it?


  • #844
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    ELM327 wrote: »
    We're through the looking glass people.
    Her penis. And someone defending it.

    Like I said before, not an owner of one but in my youth I'd be fair renter of same - never thought of them as "mine"!!


  • #845
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MadYaker wrote: »
    To be honest if one of my male friends wanted to identify as a women I’d just go with it. So what if I have to refer to him as “her”. The fact that in my thoughts I may still consider this person as male is hardly relevant is it?

    I'd be the same. However, if a friend INSISTED that I call him a woman, I'd tell him to **** off. Respect has to work both ways


  • #846
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    MadYaker wrote: »
    To be honest if one of my male friends wanted to identify as a women I’d just go with it. So what if I have to refer to him as “her”. The fact that in my thoughts I may still consider this person as male is hardly relevant is it?
    Yeah that's my thoughts too, as I said previously
    ELM327 wrote: »
    I have 2 male to female trans friends in my social cycle, and I would address them as they wish to be addressed, which is as a woman.


    At the end of the day, biologically it's the equivalent of putting a dress on a man with a female brain. The body is still male. The adams apple, the jaw line, the testosterone, the shoulders, the different shaped waist/hip/lower back areas, larger hands and feet. It goes on.


    I will always respect these people's right to dress or live however they want, but I do not agree with pandering to these people.


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  • #847
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'd be the same. However, if a friend INSISTED that I call him a woman, I'd tell him to **** off. Respect has to work both ways

    So so right!!!

    My best mate actually is a man - if he said tomorrow he wanted to be a woman, I'd have his back completely.

    However if I slipped and called him by the name I've called him for 20 years, I doubt he'd get all snippy and go "you know it's DAPHNE now!!" - and do me for discrimination or a hate crime!


  • #848
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'd be the same. However, if a friend INSISTED that I call him a woman, I'd tell him to **** off. Respect has to work both ways

    Ah yeah if they were being arsey about it. But I’d try to be a good friend and play along. Especially if they suffer from something like gender dysmorphia. Acceptance from their friends and family would go along way to helping them live a happy life.


  • #849
    HappyAsLarE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Right so you’re going to provide criteria that aren’t influenced by personal belief.....

    Don’t quit the day job to become a scientist.


  • #850
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    HappyAsLarE wrote: »
    Don’t quit the day job to become a scientist.

    My day job is a scientist. What’s yours?


  • #851
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    HappyAsLarE wrote: »
    Don’t quit the day job to become a scientist.
    He's more likely to be a scientologist to a scientist to be fair. :P
    Anyone working in the sciences would be aware of the difference between objective/verifiable and subjective/non-verifiable data.


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  • #852
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Ah yeah if they were being arsey about it. But I’d try to be a good friend and play along. Especially if they suffer from something like gender dysmorphia. Acceptance from their friends and family would go along way to helping them live a happy life.

    Completely agree. But cases like this seem to dilute the definition of discrimination and transphobia and are much more detrimental to the chances of trans or people suffering from dysmorphia being accepted by wider society.

    You live how you want to live, but don't tell me that I MUST be compliant for fear of suffering consequences.

    That's why I agree with business' being able to choose who they cater for. For example, if a shop refused to serve black people, then fire ahead. They won't get custom from me or anyone I know. Let them go out of business. I'd rather live in a world where people aren't afraid to show their true colours. At least then I'd know who to avoid.


  • #853
    HappyAsLarE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    My day job is a scientist. What’s yours?

    I could do your job better than you. OMG scarlet for you.


  • #854
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    ELM327 wrote: »
    We're through the looking glass people.
    Her penis. And someone defending it.
    BattleCorp wrote: »
    "her penis" :confused:

    Does not compute.

    I think this is transphobic and discriminatory :P, you should embrace her penis.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X-PgHSZh6U good video explaining why we are all trans phobic.


  • #855
    Rory28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Rory28


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's why I agree with business' being able to choose who they cater for. For example, if a shop refused to serve black people, then fire ahead. They won't get custom from me or anyone I know. Let them go out of business. I'd rather live in a world where people aren't afraid to show their true colours. At least then I'd know who to avoid.

    So lets say you are the hypothetical black man here and you live in a small town. You go down to the shop to pick up some food the weekend but they wont serve you because you are black. Fine says you. I'll go to the other shop. You get there and are refused again because you are black. Fine says you. I'll go to the town over to get some food. You get there and are refused again because you are black but these tell you the city shops serve your kind.

    Now whenever you want food you have to leave your town and travel to a city.

    If you provide a service to the public then you provide it to all of the public.


  • #856
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    My day job is a scientist. What’s yours?

    Social Scientist?


  • #857
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Calhoun wrote: »
    I think this is transphobic and discriminatory :P, you should embrace her penis.

    Sorry, the only penis I'm willing to embrace is my own. :D


  • #858
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Social Scientist?

    Nope. The hardest of the hard sciences.


  • #859
    HappyAsLarE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Nope. The hardest of the hard sciences.

    My science is harder than yours.


  • #860
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Sorry, the only penis I'm willing to embrace is my own. :D

    I think you should watch this video sir and understand why you are wrong :P

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X-PgHSZh6U


  • #861
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    ELM327 wrote: »
    He's more likely to be a scientologist to a scientist to be fair. :P
    Anyone working in the sciences would be aware of the difference between objective/verifiable and subjective/non-verifiable data.

    As a scientist I am aware of that distinction.

    As a normal person with a brain I am also aware that we were discussing the objectivity/subjectivity of criteria, not data.


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  • #862
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Nope. The hardest of the hard sciences.

    Some social scientists believe their science is super hard. Obviously not biology at any rate.


  • #863
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    HappyAsLarE wrote: »
    My science is harder than yours.

    God I hope it's geology and no humans are involved.


  • #864
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Some social scientists believe their science is super hard. Obviously not biology at any rate.

    Right.....but..... I said I’m not a social scientist..... not that I believed social science was a hard science.....sigh


  • #865
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Rory28 wrote: »
    So lets say you are the hypothetical black man here and you live in a small town. You go down to the shop to pick up some food the weekend but they wont serve you because you are black. Fine says you. I'll go to the other shop. You get there and are refused again because you are black. Fine says you. I'll go to the town over to get some food. You get there and are refused again because you are black but these tell you the city shops serve your kind.

    Now whenever you want food you have to leave your town and travel to a city.

    If you provide a service to the public then you provide it to all of the public.

    If I wore a T-Shirt saying "Gayness is Evil" should I expect to get entry to the George? If I had a picture of Mohammed getting rimmed by a pig, should I expect to be served in a muslim bakery? If I have a penis, should I expect to be allowed in to a women's sauna? If I am a woman, should I expect to be allowed join the freemasons?

    If they provide services to the public, then surely I could sue them for discrimination in any/all the above cases.


  • #866
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If I wore a T-Shirt saying "Gayness is Evil" should I expect to get entry to the George? If I had a picture of Mohammed getting rimmed by a pig, should I expect to be served in a muslim bakery? If I have a penis, should I expect to be allowed in to a women's sauna? If I am a woman, should I expect to be allowed join the freemasons?

    If they provide services to the public, then surely I could sue them for discrimination in any/all the above cases.

    If you wear that I will buy you many pints! And I drink in the George on occasions!!!


  • #867
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If I wore a T-Shirt saying "Gayness is Evil" should I expect to get entry to the George? If I had a picture of Mohammed getting rimmed by a pig, should I expect to be served in a muslim bakery? If I have a penis, should I expect to be allowed in to a women's sauna? If I am a woman, should I expect to be allowed join the freemasons?

    If they provide services to the public, then surely I could sue them for discrimination in any/all the above cases.

    Bizarre arguments. Really bizarre.

    Any pub could refuse to serve you for wearing an offensive tshirt.

    None of this would fall under equality legislation.


  • #868
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Actually, a hairdressers near me does children's haircuts for half of the price. Can I sue them if I identify as younger? Or for discrimination due to age?


  • #869
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I admit they are bizarre. Not enough/too much coffee.

    The last two I thought would be covered.


  • #870
    HappyAsLarE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    As a scientist I am aware of that distinction.

    As a normal person with a brain I am also aware that we were discussing the objectivity/subjectivity of criteria, not data.

    So you think it is subjective to pick criteria that clearly provide evidence of sex?

    If a vet does a reach around to check the sex of an animal, is that subjective or objective?


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  • #871
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    HappyAsLarE wrote: »
    So you think it is subjective to pick criteria that clearly provide evidence of sex?

    If a vet does a reach around to check the sex of an animal, is that subjective or objective?

    What about how I know my budgie is a boy ? He has a different coloured area above his beak. Is that wrong now ??

    In parakeets its actually blue for a male and pink for a female!!! Bloody transphobic avians!!!!!


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