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ELM327

LLMMLL wrote: »

Well the above would be terrible objective criteria.

Female features: the least objective criteria possible. How will we define a wheel lads? Uhhhh it has wheel like features. Problem solved.

Female voice: plenty of cis men with that.

Female figure: Cis men with breast tissue.

How do we define a man? Well it has penis like features.
How do we define a woman? Well it has a vagina and ovaries, amongst many other biological differences.


Job's a good 'un.
Boy, I'm glad I didn't skip those biology lessons in school

LLMMLL

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

Not influenced by personal beliefs.

Right so you’re going to provide criteria that aren’t influenced by personal belief.....

ELM327

LLMMLL wrote: »

Right so you’re going to provide criteria that aren’t influenced by personal belief.....

I can personally believe I have a penis, or I can believe I'm superwoman.
Doesn't change the actuality that I do have a penis and am not superwoman.

LLMMLL

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I read a terrifying article not long ago written by a gay man.

He knew he was gay from 12-13 (to be honest, fitting in with most of the people I know who are gay - the may not come out till later but that's when they know).

His mother tries to convince him he was trans. Bought him female clothes, called him by a feminine version of the name (if memory serves he was called Alex and she called him Alice). They even took him to something called The Mermaid Group ? Not familiar there I'm afraid.

That poor lad just wanted to be who he was but well meaning but wholly misguided parents messed up big time.

They could have had a perfectly, healthy, normal, gay son. But that poor lad - still not an adult - will be recovering from this for some time.

Like I've said before, I'm not trans, or gay - just a bog standard straight female tomboy. My parents bought me Scalextrics, and took me to play and watch footy.

I'm not a parent but I imagine that if you give your kids what THEY need, not what you think they SHOULD need, you'll be left with happy adults who love the bones of you.

What???

PlaneSpeeking

ELM327 wrote: »

I can personally believe I have a penis, or I can believe I'm superwoman.
Doesn't change the actuality that I do have a penis and am not superwoman.

I don't have a penis and am currently beginning the lovely pastoral journey of menopause.

Hang on - MENopause ?

Bloody patriatchy.

PlaneSpeeking

LLMMLL wrote: »

What???

Try to form a question, use your words.

MadYaker

ELM327 wrote: »

I can personally believe I have a penis, or I can believe I'm superwoman.
Doesn't change the actuality that I do have a penis and am not superwoman.

What if a women got the necessary surgeries to make her a man? Would then consider her a man?

PlaneSpeeking

MadYaker wrote: »

What if a women got the necessary surgeries to make her a man? Would then consider her a man?

Absolutely 100% in my opinion.

LLMMLL

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So it's you who fail to understand the word "objectively". Thought as much.

Nope you provided incredibly SUBjective criteria.

LLMMLL

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Try to form a question, use your words.

Ok what relevance does your personal story have to the issue at hand?

ELM327

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I don't have a penis and am currently beginning the lovely pastoral journey of menopause.

Hang on - MENopause ?

Bloody patriatchy.

It's always the damn men -even ruining such fun things as menopause.

MadYaker wrote: »

What if a women got the necessary surgeries to make her a man? Would then consider her a man?

I have 2 male to female trans friends in my social cycle, and I would address them as they wish to be addressed, which is as a woman.


At the end of the day, biologically it's the equivalent of putting a dress on a man with a female brain. The body is still male. The adams apple, the jaw line, the testosterone, the shoulders, the different shaped waist/hip/lower back areas, larger hands and feet. It goes on.


I will always respect these people's right to dress or live however they want, but I do not agree with pandering to these people.

PlaneSpeeking

LLMMLL wrote: »

Ok what relevance does your personal story have to the issue at hand?

It's called an opinion.

I know you would hate for us to continue to have those but sorry, they will survive.

ELM327

LLMMLL wrote: »

Nope you provided incredibly SUBjective criteria.

Is a penis subjective?
Do you ever utter the misnomer "her penis".
It's a thing apparently (pardon the pun)


Link (one of many)

LLMMLL

ELM327 wrote: »

Is a penis subjective?
Do you ever utter the misnomer "her penis".
It's a thing apparently (pardon the pun)


Link (one of many)

The presence of a penis isn’t subjective. It’s use as a criteria is.

And I would say “her penis” if a trans woman still had a penis.

PlaneSpeeking

ELM327 wrote: »

It's always the damn men -even ruining such fun things as menopause.






I have 2 male to female trans friends in my social cycle, and I would address them as they wish to be addressed, which is as a woman.


At the end of the day, biologically it's the equivalent of putting a dress on a man with a female brain. The body is still male. The adams apple, the jaw line, the testosterone, the shoulders, the different shaped waist/hip/lower back areas, larger hands and feet. It goes on.


I will always respect these people's right to dress or live however they want, but I do not agree with pandering to these people.

If there is no OBJECTIVE difference between the male and female form - why are clothes designed differently ? You know to encompass the fact that women tend go in at the middle for one!

PlaneSpeeking

LLMMLL wrote: »

The presence of a penis isn’t subjective. It’s use as a criteria is.

And I would say “her penis” if a trans woman still had a penis.

So in your mind, millennia of biology should be ignored ???

LLMMLL

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

If there is no OBJECTIVE difference between the male and female form - why are clothes designed differently ? You know to encompass the fact that women tend go in at the middle for one!

Um aren’t you the one saying you dress in Male clothes?

LLMMLL

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So in your mind, millennia of biology should be ignored ???

Well I wouldn’t take TOO seriously what the Greeks and Persians etc thought about biology.

PlaneSpeeking

LLMMLL wrote: »

Um aren’t you the one saying you dress in Male clothes?

Yes.

And they come from a men's clothes shop, or the men's section in Tesco or Dunnes.

Or the Jacamo catalogue (for men).

Because there is a difference.

LLMMLL

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Yes.

And they come from a men's clothes shop, or the men's section in Tesco or Dunnes.

Or the Jacamo catalogue (for men).

Because there is a difference.

But they mustn’t fit you if there’s an immutable difference in the Male and female form. Are you saying you dress badly?

PlaneSpeeking

And Louise goes on ignore. Only so much nonsense you can read without coffee.

ELM327

LLMMLL wrote: »

The presence of a penis isn’t subjective. It’s use as a criteria is.

And I would say “her penis” if a trans woman still had a penis.

Right
Thanks for identifying yourself as one of those people. Now I can add you to my ignore list, as I have no interest in pandering to social justice warriors.

PlaneSpeeking

LLMMLL wrote: »

But they mustn’t fit you if there’s an immutable difference in the Male and female form. Are you saying you dress badly?

No I'm saying I'm overweight and they fit me better.

But yeah thanks for making me feel bad.

Yay feminism.

LLMMLL

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

It's called an opinion.

I know you would hate for us to continue to have those but sorry, they will survive.

What’s the relevance of your opinion to this thread.

One woman treated her child as trans when he was gay. What’s the opinion you’re expressing?

PlaneSpeeking

ELM327 wrote: »

Right
Thanks for identifying yourself as one of those people. Now I can add you to my ignore list, as I have no interest in pandering to social justice warriors.

Welcome to the club Elm!

ELM327

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Welcome to the club Elm!

It's great isnt it


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LLMMLL

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

No I'm saying I'm overweight and they fit me better.

But yeah thanks for making me feel bad.

Yay feminism.

Whats that got to do with feminism?

If your restrictive criteria make you feel bad maybe you should drop the criteria.

Both Male and female bodies come in many different shapes and forms.

I support that.

I’m happy for you to have your own body and to dress that way you like. I have no restrictive criteria.

LLMMLL

LLMMLL wrote: »

The presence of a penis isn’t subjective. It’s use as a criteria is.

And I would say “her penis” if a trans woman still had a penis.

Wow.

TheValeyard

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wow.

Yeah, that's some mental gymnastics alright.

BattleCorp

LLMMLL wrote: »

The presence of a penis isn’t subjective. It’s use as a criteria is.

And I would say “her penis” if a trans woman still had a penis.

"her penis"

Does not compute.