The random stuff thread

Creamy Goodness · 21-06-2018 11:38am

BaZmO* wrote: »

I doubt that the £40 million goes into his account. It's to invest in expansion.

Also, if the £40 million is a minority share (highest case being 49%?), the company is valued at at least £80 million?

Obviously, I'm just pointing out that he'll be hardly put out by some people boycotting them now.

s3rtvdbwfj81ch · 21-06-2018 11:57am

When the Heineken practices of blocking taps continue, but now with Beavertown, it's a disgusting outcome. Standard of beer or not.

RasTa · 21-06-2018 12:11pm

Not too bothered. Lagunitas still making nice stuff.

s3rtvdbwfj81ch · 21-06-2018 12:12pm

RasTa wrote: »

Not too bothered. Lagunitas Heineken still making nice stuff.

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Subcomandante Marcos · 21-06-2018 12:19pm

RasTa wrote: »

Not too bothered. Lagunitas still making nice stuff.

There will be a difference in practice here.

When Lag was sold their distribution contracts in Europe stayed with the companies who already had them (Grand Cru for Ireland) which meant that Heineken Ireland and UK didn't get their hands on the products.

In this deal the brand becomes part of the Heiniken UK and Europe distribution portfolio and as a result will benefit from the same sketchy practices.

I expect to see a few Irish and International taps disappear with a Gama-Ray or Neck Oil to start popping up beside the Murphy's taps.

RasTa · 21-06-2018 12:21pm

Might see it in spoons too. Already in Waitrose over here and they have fridge space

s3rtvdbwfj81ch · 21-06-2018 12:26pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I expect to see a few Irish and International taps disappear with a Gama-Ray or Neck Oil to start popping up beside the Murphy's taps.

In a nutshell, this is the real issue.

"Man gets rich" doesn't bother me, "man gets rich but pretends it's in the interests of others" and lies about it, bothers me

BeerNut · 21-06-2018 1:42pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I'm sure he's already doing his best scrooge mcduck impression in Daddy's money.

Logan was four when his parents divorced. He has basically no relationship with Robert Plant, and certainly not a commercial one.

RasTa · 21-06-2018 2:11pm

Cloudwater & The Veil have pulled out of Extravaganza

irish_goat · 21-06-2018 9:41pm

RasTa wrote: »

Cloudwater & The Veil have pulled out of Extravaganza

And BrewDog.

RasTa · 21-06-2018 9:44pm

Brewdog are so annoying. James watt statement pissed me off. Didn't they sell 22% to the same company that owns pabst?

irish_goat · 22-06-2018 3:29pm

RasTa wrote: »

Brewdog are so annoying. James watt statement pissed me off. Didn't they sell 22% to the same company that owns pabst?

They sold 22% to an investment company that owns a brand of beer, it's a long way away from selling a stake to a brewing conglomerate like Heineken which is actively anti-craft beer.

Subcomandante Marcos · 22-06-2018 5:46pm

BeerNut wrote: »

Logan was four when his parents divorced. He has basically no relationship with Robert Plant, and certainly not a commercial one.

Two years ago he gave an interview saying how touring with his dad when he was 18 was the biggest influence in his interest in ales. He's talked about his relationship with his dad a lot. To say they have basically no relationship is patently wrong.

RasTa · 23-06-2018 5:24pm

irish_goat wrote: »

They sold 22% to an investment company that owns a brand of beer, it's a long way away from selling a stake to a brewing conglomerate like Heineken which is actively anti-craft beer.

Pretty similar though, more ruthless one could argue with a private equity investor.

Haven't they raised enough with their shares pyramid scheme anyway?

BaZmO* · 23-06-2018 6:00pm

RasTa wrote: »

Pretty similar though, more ruthless one could argue with a private equity investor.

Not really the same though. Investors just want profits, while generally not interfering. Heineken have a history of surpressing the competition, in particular craft breweries.

That said, if it’s good beer I’ll still drink it.

RasTa · 17-07-2018 12:27pm

Having a debate with brewdog on twitter about alcohol into Ireland.

Is this the correct approach from the company?

It’s not up to @BrewDog to pay the excise on those, it’s up to you as the person ordering to. Unfortunately this is part of EU law around personal importation of alcohol via mail �� excise doesn’t apply to personally carried imports, just ‘freighted’.

It’s actually not, & it is an EUwide directive. You can carry as much alcohol as you like between eu states personally, but by mail/freight the recipient is always liable for the excise taxes. Sometimes your imports get through without stoppage, sometimes not, but all are liable.

This document should help cover the entire explanation around the excise duty around alcohol by freight in the EU:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/excise-duties-alcohol-tobacco-energy/excise-duties-alcohol_en

We actually put it in our T&C’s of the service (http://brewdog.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/11000036007-will-i-need-to-pay-customs-fees-on-international-orders- …), & when we temporarily suspended fanzine to Ireland & our online store, many of our Irish EFP’s & those who bought from the store were very unhappy. We’d rather people were able to make an informed choice

BeerNut · 17-07-2018 12:30pm

RasTa wrote: »

Is this the correct approach from the company?

Nope. This is what they need to know:

Revenue wrote:

If you order alcohol from another European Union (EU) Member State (for example from a website), the seller in that country should establish a tax representative in Ireland to pay excise duty. If the seller does not do this, the product may be liable to be detained, seized and forfeited.

Revenue insists, for intra-EU shipments, that the taxes be paid before the goods move at all. They don't have a formal mechanism for consumers to pay on receipt: that's only for items coming from outside the EU.

RasTa · 17-07-2018 12:36pm

BeerNut wrote: »

Nope. This is what they need to know:

Revenue insists, for intra-EU shipments, that the taxes be paid before the goods move at all. They don't have a formal mechanism for consumers to pay on receipt: that's only for items coming from outside the EU.

Their response

That’s on a commercial level & it’s more for VAT refund on the import taxes, it doesn’t apply to personal importation for personal consumption. We didn’t make the laws, but we do make people aware of their responsibilities with our T&C’s as we are obliged to.

the beer revolu · 17-07-2018 12:55pm

Brewdog, like pretty much all online retailers are just plain wrong on this.

On a commercial level, almost all alcohol is shipped duty and vat suspended. It goes from one registered bonded warehouse to another bonded warehouse. Duty and vat is then paid on stock as it is removed from the second warehouse.

Their commercial level argument does not stack up.

BaZmO* · 17-07-2018 9:02pm

RasTa wrote: »

Having a debate with brewdog on twitter about alcohol into Ireland.

Is this the correct approach from the company?

Why would it bother you?

Subcomandante Marcos · 17-07-2018 9:13pm

BaZmO* wrote: »

Why would it bother you?

Because he wants to order stuff from them but they make it awkward?

BaZmO* · 17-07-2018 10:21pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Because he wants to order stuff from them but they make it awkward?

Not really. They are saying that you can order from them. What he’s saying is that they should be paying the duty.

RasTa · 18-07-2018 12:44am

3 people I know stuff has got seized so I'm leading the crusade.

the beer revolu · 18-07-2018 10:26am

BaZmO* wrote: »

Not really. They are saying that you can order from them. What he’s saying is that they should be paying the duty.

And he's right.

BaZmO* · 18-07-2018 12:48pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

And he's right.

I know he is. I was only questioning why he was having a go if he had no skin in the game, which he has now explained that he has. So it makes sense now.

RasTa · 20-07-2018 11:12am

Just looking at the taplist for Boundary birthday bash over the weekend. All the big names on it known for one particular style. Have we hit peak saturation or is this type of list here to stay? Similar to pubs having 5 or 6 larger taps that all taste the same imo

Passenger · 20-07-2018 11:15am

The craft beer scene appears to be stagnating somewhat. The average craft beer pub with 15 taps of IPA's and maybe a token sour/gose/weiss/stout. But that's what sells.

BaZmO* · 20-07-2018 11:16am

Let me guess.....Cloudy IPAs?

noby · 20-07-2018 2:45pm

Passenger wrote: »

But that's what sells.

This is the critical bit (ignoring the catch 22 scenario).

Ronan|Raven · 21-07-2018 12:31pm

Has anyone else noticed Wrasslers isnt tasting as it once did? Seems sweeter? Maybe im just going mad.

BeerNut · 21-07-2018 7:49pm

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed Wrasslers isnt tasting as it once did? Seems sweeter? Maybe im just going mad.

I brought this up with the brewer last month. They've only done one batch at the new brewery and yes it's different - I think it's sweeter too. Hopefully it'll be back to normal for the next batch.

BaZmO* · 21-07-2018 8:24pm

That’s something I always think about when it comes to consistency with foodstuffs. How can you be 100% sure that the next batch is like the last? There are so many variables with the ingredients alone, let alone fermentation, cooking, storage, etc.

I know companies have panels of tasters and the like, but even that is a variable.

Ronan|Raven · 21-07-2018 9:06pm

BeerNut wrote: »

I brought this up with the brewer last month. They've only done one batch at the new brewery and yes it's different - I think it's sweeter too. Hopefully it'll be back to normal for the next batch.

Glad to hear it is not just me, I rarely get to the pub these days and my Wrasslers Saturdays were always precious to me!

It really was poor today. I hope it gets back to how it used to be as frankly after they ruined the label, ruining the actual beer itself is not something I want to see happen. It actually reminded me of Beamish ( not a bad thing but if I want Beamish I will order it)

L1011 · 22-07-2018 2:54am

BaZmO* wrote: »

That’s something I always think about when it comes to consistency with foodstuffs. How can you be 100% sure that the next batch is like the last? There are so many variables with the ingredients alone, let alone fermentation, cooking, storage, etc.

I know companies have panels of tasters and the like, but even that is a variable.

Tasting and blending are professions for a reason. Something like Lyons or Barrys Tea has to taste basically identical box to box over decades and people are paid fairly good money to ensure they do.

Mass market beer drinkers seem more willing to accept huge variance though; Guinness now is a vastly different product to 50 years ago with multiple changes on the way.

Had a Porterhouse Red today where the tap didn't mention it was nitro and really I would have preferred that it wasn't. Just didn't work, took an age to get through it. Only it and Sierra Nevada amongst the most boring macro lineup possible though.

23-07-2018 5:40pm

Picked up a few odds and ends over the past few weeks in Portugal and Newry:

Ha'penny gin - £28 70cl
Tanqueray regular - €15 1L
Tanqueray 10 1L + Johnny walker black collector's edition 1L - 2 for €60
Bulldog gin - €20 70cl
Gin Mar €32 70cl
William Lawson's 13 year old scotch - €11 70cl!!
Maciera Brandy - €12 1L
Jura 10 year old - £28 70cl
Lamb's Navy rum - £18 1L
Havana 7yr old - €24 1L

The bar is well and truly restocked.

I also picked up a bottle of this. I was in a bar in Portugal and I was offered a glass as a digestif. When I asked about where I could find a bottle for sale, I was told that the good stuff isn't sold in shops, its all homebrewed / distilled. Like a Portuguese poitín. I asked him if he could get me a bottle and he was pretty taken aback. Didn't expect much, to be honest.

Two nights later and he collars me as I'm walking past, says he managed to snag a litre for €20. Nice wan Manuel

RasTa · 26-07-2018 6:08pm

Bargain

https://honestbrew.co.uk/shop/mikkeller-san-diego-house-party-ddh-ne-ipa/

BaZmO* · 26-07-2018 6:28pm

RasTa wrote: »

Bargain

https://honestbrew.co.uk/shop/mikkeller-san-diego-house-party-ddh-ne-ipa/

6-pack yeah?

Zaph · 03-08-2018 12:40am

For anyone with a Kindle, the Brewdog book, Craft Beer for the People, is available on Amazon for 99p for the next 24 hours. Link here.

Zaph · 09-10-2018 11:45pm

Any fans of Whiplash beers might do well to stock up as things are looking a bit uncertain. Seems there's a bit of trouble between them and the owners of the brewery they share, Larkins, which has resulted in the Whiplash guys being locked out. Whiplash have also been told they have to be out of the premises by 21st December. This has all resulted in Whiplash securing an injunction to allow them access to the brewery. Full details in the link below.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/craft-brewer-locked-out-of-premises-wins-interim-injunction-1.3657652

19-10-2018 11:58am

I've been keeping an eye out for Erdinger Sommer Weisse all summer, and no joy. It's like a session wheat beer, lower percentage and more hoppy. It was everywhere last year, but not very popular, so that might explain it. It was great, because a few places were selling it on the cheap when they were going out of date.

Last time I was in my local offo I asked the owner and he seemed genuinely surprised, as if he'd forgotten about it until that point.

Did anyone see it available anywhere this year?

Hotblack Desiato · 19-10-2018 1:17pm

That's got me thinking of winter stouts

Got a bottle of Leann Follain whiskey barrel aged 2 or 3 years ago and it was fantastic. The local Molloys hasn't had it in since. How to get hold of one, and any other suggestions for a Christmas treat? Had a nice quadrupel last year but would like some stouts too.

Subcomandante Marcos · 19-10-2018 1:27pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

That's got me thinking of winter stouts

Got a bottle of Leann Follain whiskey barrel aged 2 or 3 years ago and it was fantastic. The local Molloys hasn't had it in since. How to get hold of one, and any other suggestions for a Christmas treat? Had a nice quadrupel last year but would like some stouts too.

I haven't seen the BA LF in two years now, I'd say they've stopped making it.

Look.oit for White Hag barrel aged black board and Boyne Brewing barrel aged imperial stout. Both are fantastic beers. Just make sure you don't get the black boar that was aged in Laphroaig barrels because it's absolutely disgusting, like drinking iodine, the peat from the whiskey destroyed that version.

As for other stouts supervale have 3 bottles of St. Mel's Slow Burner extra stout for 9 euro at the minute. Fantastic stout. Made by the man who made the recipe for Leann Follain and every bit as good.

Keep an eye out for Station Works imperial stout aged in pearse Lyons reserve barrels which should be out by Christmas too, Thier beers have improved immeasurably since they hired the former head brewer from trouble to lead their production and recipe development.

Zaph · 20-10-2018 12:26am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

That's got me thinking of winter stouts

Got a bottle of Leann Follain whiskey barrel aged 2 or 3 years ago and it was fantastic. The local Molloys hasn't had it in since. How to get hold of one, and any other suggestions for a Christmas treat? Had a nice quadrupel last year but would like some stouts too.

Saw a tweet from Grand Cru earlier that said that this year's Sierra Nevada Narwhal is now available. Seriously good stout that. And Founders have another release of CBS this year. Out in the States on November 2nd, not sure when (or even if) it'll be available in Ireland, but it's another one definitely on my shopping list.

Subcomandante Marcos · 20-10-2018 3:37am

Zaph wrote: »

Saw a tweet from Grand Cru earlier that said that this year's Sierra Nevada Narwhal is now available. Seriously good stout that. And Founders have another release of CBS this year. Out in the States on November 2nd, not sure when (or even if) it'll be available in Ireland, but it's another one definitely on my shopping list.

Narwhale isn't great tbh and really the rest of the grand cru import lineup isn't great either and had lineup of Heineken and other multinational companies to plaster their stickers and obscurrle frand CRU's recent efforts.

RasTa · 20-10-2018 10:11am

What?

L1011 · 01-11-2018 7:08pm

Anyone any experience of decent bars in Riga?

BaZmO* · 02-11-2018 11:10am

We give out a lot in Ireland about the cost of beer festivals. Just looking at the Mikkeller Beer Celebration Copenhagen 2019, tickets start at a whopping €70!!! :eek:

"All tickets includes entrance, an official MBCC 2019 glass and beer."

BeerNut · 02-11-2018 11:25am

And presumably that's only for a three or four hour session. But you get to put on Twitter/Instagram/Untappd that you're at the Mikkeller Beer Celebration, which is worth €70 by itself, easily.

irish_goat · 02-11-2018 11:43am

Spend 4 hours pinting in the top beer bars in Copenhagen and you'll not be far off spending €70 either though.

BaZmO* · 02-11-2018 12:46pm

BeerNut wrote: »

And presumably that's only for a three or four hour session. But you get to put on Twitter/Instagram/Untappd that you're at the Mikkeller Beer Celebration, which is worth €70 by itself, easily.

Yeah it's only for a certain time

TICKET TYPES

YELLOW: Friday May 10 10:00-14:00

BLUE: Friday May 10 16:00-20:00

RED: Saturday May 11 10:00-14:00

GREEN: Saturday May 11 16:00-20:00

PINK: All session

The pink session will cost you a whopping €255!!

You could of course go crazy and get a Gold Session Ticket for €375 or lose your sh1t altogether and get a Platinum Session Ticket for €470

I couldn't find the details but is the cost of beer extra, or is it part of the ticket price?

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