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So the facts don't matter. Then what is the point in discussing it further if you disregard the stats yet claim BLM have them on their side?None of which actually matter when you measure what percentage of black suspects are shot and killed versus what percentage of white suspects are.
Blacks commit a huge percentage of crime compared to their demographic size yet you and the left think it's racist when a larger than normal amount of blacks are shot during the proceeds of these crimes?
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No. Not saying itdoesn't happen or that every shooting is justified but according to stats its not even among the top 20 of "most deadly" causes of black deaths.We've all seen the video footage of black suspects doing absolutely nothing wrong
Well deflected, but in case you need a refresher i'm talking about these f**kwitsWell, they originated in London when Jews decided that Mosley's meetings needed to be broken up and nobody else was going to do it, so they're not exactly newfangled or left-wing.
Unless you class Mossad as lefties...
If you want to be pedantic then i'll rephrase it. The "left" as the democratic party and their ilk are commonly referred to.Come on. The Democrats are as left wing as Thatcher.
Yes they did, and no it's not.No, they absolutely did not. They made a decision to shelter refugees which is not the same thing.
They have been working on a migration agenda since 1999 and the influx of migrants from 2015 has sparked a reinvigoration of this agenda. Led by Jean Claude-Drunkard, Merkel and the likes, and their plan of allowing millions and millions of people in with little to no security checks or scrutiny.
As per the article:They're refugees and we're giving them shelter not citizenship.
Ireland holds the title of highest awarding of Irish citizenship within Europe.They will be first brought to an induction centre such as at Ballaghadereen for six weeks before they are allocated full citizenship of Ireland, payment of up to 5000 Euro each under Emergency Needs, as well as the full dole.
You are taking the piss if you think rampant child sexual abuse is even close to what "migrants" are getting in terms of support and aid. With "good ould Catholic ireland" you also have institutional failures as well as corruption from within the Government and Gardaí. A trend that continues today, with our own people.And y'all might remember, at some point we are going to be called to answer for things like the direct provision system to our kids in the same way we called the catholic church to answer for Ferns, and we won't have the easy out they got.
As for this :
That is the same sick and twisted logic i see spouted in the states about the detention centres for ILLEGALS. How can anyone trivialize the death and depravity that was seen in the concentration camps as comparable to holding centres for criminals and illegals? It's a sick bastardisation of the term and those that use it denigrate and piss on the memories of those involved in the holocaust.We're running what are basically concentration camps for refugees right now.
Firstly that is a consequence, not a cause. These profiteers are not the ones bringing them in in the first place. No excuse for the behaviour nor would i entertain trying to give one.It grows because it's fed by people who profit off it.
Secondly don't confuse me now, or ever, with some mullet wearing sh*t kicker going around mumbling "they took our jobs". I don't hate them for who they are, what they've done, where they're from or where they're going.
In short i'm fed up of the double standards and media manipulation of these stories. If a country decides it doesn't want to take in refugees, migrants, whatever, they should be free to refuse and not demonized because of it. The "won't someone think of the children" excuse does not justify the perceptions and actions that such mass immigration causes.
Walking out of what? The Republican party is a fickle machine. They thought he was a joke when he ran, when he was nominated and even after his win. Granted President Trump can be a douche at times, but the resistance he has faced since becoming President has never been seen by any other. Imagine what could have been achieved this far if they only worked with him.I'm not sure it's leftist or rightist bias when half his own party are walking out in protest.
Clinton, Obama, even Killary called for walls and strengthening of borders and when Trump tries it they call him a racist. However i fail to see the "joy" you say he gets from this. Show me what you mean.And yes, quite a lot of the daft **** is older than he is (the wall, their policy towards illegal immigration, and a few others), but I don't remember any administration being this joyously cruel and petty about everything.
Might want to pick someone else as your poster boy for etiquette.You might not like Clinton but did he ever go on and on about being interviewed by Fox?
Did Bush have as many dissenters in his own party as Trump did? As said above they dismissed him from the off and the problem Trump faces now is if someone with no political experience can come in and solve some problems that "seasoned" politicians have been saying for decades cannot be fixed easily or at all, then they'll be shown up as the frauds they are.Did Bush ever talk about his own party members the way Trump does?
Did Bush ever have fake news stories broadcast about him, weekly? Russia was a fake, the photos of child prison buses was a fake, the list goes on. The man cannot do a thing but someone either bastardises it or completely makes up a story about it.Did Bush Sr ever go after the press the way Trump has?
Even so called fact checking sites like Snopes are biased. When you check on the "baby bus" they claim it as true, but don't elaborate that it was done under Obamas tenure. You can figure out quite quickly it was, but they never mention it or him.
Why? Support your argument with facts. What has he done that is nastier than anything before him?This isn't some lefty thing, this guy is something nastier than anyone's seen before, it's why there's opposition to him from both parties.
That is a joke.You have guys like John McCain voting against him for feck's sakes, and he's hardly a long-haired commie hippie tree-hugger.
McCain went against Trump and his party to vote against repealing Obamacare [twice] even though he canvassed on repealing it and was a strong critic of it since it's creation. Trump and McCain have had a long feud with both exchanging petty quips at each other.
Enlighten me.You missed the bit where they're being murdered on the other side of the border because of things started on the US side.
Doing it legally or have completed the process and are legal? Unless its the latter they are still illegal and that is still a crime.Not to mention that there are documented cases of people doing everything completely legally and still being treated as illegals.
The article says the personnel can override that feature to include "release". Also Obama had to be stopped by the courts when his policies, which were emuch harsher than Trumps, ran afoul of the law.And part of that comes down to stupid technical stuff that indicates that nobody on the US side is interested in having legal migration - ICE literally disabled the part of their computer system that gave an okay when doing risk assessments of migrants. Before the change, the system either said "probably fine" or "probably criminal" and they literally turned off the first option. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-court/
Again he [Obama] done much worse than Trump or any other President and he is pardoned the scrutiny Trump is receiving for continuing that trend.Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County
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The facts *do* matter; the point is that the absolute figures can't be directly compared to the percentages because they're not mathematically the same.So the facts don't matter.
I mean, it's like the difference between there being 1700 more pistols licenced in Ireland today than in 1972 and there being a lower pistol ownership rate in Ireland today than in 1972. Both are true. But you can't compare the numbers directly because they're measuring different things.
In this case, if you see a thousand suspects of race A being arrested and a hundred of race B; but 70% of those in race A get shot during the arrest and 7% of race B; you have to ask a question or two because those two percentages should not be that far apart.
Um.No. Not saying itdoesn't happen or that every shooting is justified but according to stats its not even among the top 20 of "most deadly" causes of black deaths.
I'd probably use the same word, but I notice they've not killed anyone and the people they're protesting have.Well deflected, but in case you need a refresher i'm talking about these f**kwits
I don't think we're required to pick a side, but if you held me to the flame on it, I suspect I'd come down on the side that isn't literally the American Nazi Party.
It's not that pedantic - they think a liberal policy is letting everyone buy health insurance. And they're happy to live with child marriage and child labour within their own borders. And a dozen other things we'd see as being up there with the Penal Laws and Cromwell if you tried imposing them on us today. The Dems are just not a shining light leading towards a nicer world.If you want to be pedantic then i'll rephrase it. The "left" as the democratic party and their ilk are commonly referred to.
They literally can't do that legally; and the people we're talking about are refugees fleeing Assad, and handled under a different body of law. And frankly, we (meaning the EU) backed Assad so we'd have someone fighting ISIS as a buffer zone. The real world is ****ty and so on, okay, that's another argument; but we don't get to do that and then treat refugees fleeing sarin gas dropped by the guy we backed as if the refugees were nothing to do with us at all.Yes they did, and no it's not.
They have been working on a migration agenda since 1999 and the influx of migrants from 2015 has sparked a reinvigoration of this agenda. Led by Jean Claude-Drunkard, Merkel and the likes, and their plan of allowing millions and millions of people in with little to no security checks or scrutiny.
I don't know what article you're citing, but it's flat-out wrong - Ballaghaderreen is a refugee orientation center, and you don't get given citizenship on arrival. You're a refugee, not an immigrant:As per the article:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/the_asylum_process_in_ireland/rights_and_obligations_of_asylum_seekers_in_ireland.html
Funnily enough, I'm not. It's not even an analogy : http://www.thejournal.ie/abuse-is-reported-at-direct-provision-centres-across-ireland-1023749-Aug2013/You are taking the piss if you think rampant child sexual abuse is even close to what "migrants" are getting in terms of support and aid.
Yup, and with refugees as well. It's not a choice between improving stuff for us and improving stuff for them; it's just a choice between having a corrupt bunch of bastards ruining life for everyone or not.With "good ould Catholic ireland" you also have institutional failures as well as corruption from within the Government and GardaA trend that continues today, with our own people.
Mind you, if the bastards can keep everyone at each other's throats, we never look at it that way and they get to go buy their own fecking islands...
First off, direct provision is for refugees. They're not criminals, they're not illegals, they're doing precisely what our law requires, and they're by definition fleeing for their lives. That's the whole point of the refugee system. If you're a doctor from the Congo who got tortured and left for dead by the government because you wrote a report with MSF on the government's use of rape as a tool to suppress the population, you are a refugee, not a criminal. That's the point of the system (and yes, that's a real example, his case came up in the High Court a while back because the Refugee Appeals Tribunal were going to send him back to the Congo because despite testimony from MSF, the UN and a few others, the RAT decided they didn't like the guy. The High Court case makes for interesting reading).That is the same sick and twisted logic i see spouted in the states about the detention centres for ILLEGALS. How can anyone trivialize the death and depravity that was seen in the concentration camps as comparable to holding centres for criminals and illegals?
If I thought you were like that Cass, I wouldn't bother talking.Secondly don't confuse me now, or ever, with some mullet wearing sh*t kicker going around mumbling "they took our jobs".
So they literally can't, not legally. Within the EU, free migration from EU state to EU state is one of the few principles the continent will literally die on because the entire point of the EU is to not have another WW2 by drowning the reasons for WW2 by shipping people around the place with as few barriers as possible, while handcuffing countries to each other with as much red tape as you can create so they can't get enough distance to get a run-up to put the boot in.If a country decides it doesn't want to take in refugees, migrants, whatever, they should be free to refuse and not demonized because of it.
I mean, as solutions go, it's a ****ty one, with the sole redeeming feature that it has so far worked slightly better than anything we've tried in the last two thousand years or so.
Which isn't as big as even that offhanded comment makes out, but it's big enough that the whole free-migration-within-the-EU thing is not just some idea on paper for a lot of people, it's a Big Thing to them.
As to refugees, we kindof have international law on that point which says, more or less, "don't be that country, m'kay?". So saying "no, we're not taking them, we'll machine-gun them if they try to get in here", well, you have to be Turkey for that and who the hell wants to live there?
Well the most recent is the US ambassador to Estonia. I mean, an ambassador resigning, that's normal enough; but resigning to protest the President while calling him a liar to the press.... that's new.Walking out of what?
Pretty sure the latter is a result of the former; and the former is not exactly new; he's been this way for a very, very long time. And he played to that throughout his campaign, and you don't get to run around doing the stuff he did during the campaign and not see opposition, it's pretty much a recipe for getting everyone pissed off at you.Granted President Trump can be a douche at times, but the resistance he has faced since becoming President has never been seen by any other.
Well, none of them led off with "mexicans are all rapists" to be fair...Clinton, Obama, even Killary called for walls and strengthening of borders and when Trump tries it they call him a racist.
Seriously, read his twitter feed for a day, tell me you don't see someone delighting in being nasty.However i fail to see the "joy" you say he gets from this. Show me what you mean.
Didn't call him a poster boy for anything, just said he wasn't as bad as Trump and neither has anyone else been since the late 1700s and those guys were literally killing each other in duels.Might want to pick someone else as your poster boy for etiquette.
Indeed.if someone with no political experience can come in and solve some problems that "seasoned" politicians have been saying for decades cannot be fixed easily or at all, then they'll be shown up as the frauds they are.
Pretty huge IF there though, given that so far, he's not managed to do any such thing.
Oh come on, you don't even have to work hard on that one.Support your argument with facts. What has he done that is nastier than anything before him?
Like this one : https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/what-asylum-seekers-meet-when-they-try-to-cross-legallyDoing it legally or have completed the process and are legal? Unless its the latter they are still illegal and that is still a crime.
Grandmother and last surviving granddaughter flee after the parents and siblings were murdered by gangs, they take the granddaughter and send her off to a tender age shelter, and refuse to acknowledge the grandmother has custody despite documentation.
So now the grandmother is in one holding camp and the granddaughter is in one of the child holding camps in Texas, only they're not sure exactly where.
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These are getting too long. I'm going to start shortening them to single words or just emojis shortly.
No...... the point is that the absolute figures can't be directly compared to the percentages because they're not mathematically the same.
Black men are more involved in violent crimes and murder. That is not racist its a simple fact. As i said before if 7% of the population is responsible for 57% of the murders then you cannot blame the stats for the higher proportion of shootings among those involved in those crimes.
Muslim men of Asian decent in the UK are responsible for 84% of rape/grooming gangs. Less than 5% of the total population responsible for 84% of gang rapes. Is this racist because whites are not raping as much? FFS, the facts are facts, and the % is the %. No amount of side stepping will diminish the truth of it.
I don't have the full list but here is the top ten from the CDC:Um.
Rank | Cause | Percentage
1) | Heart disease | 23.9
2) | Cancer | 21.4
3) | Unintentional injuries | 6.5
4) | Homicide | 4.9 ** Not Police **
5) | Stroke | 4.2
6) | Diabetes | 3.1
7) | Chronic lower respiratory diseases | 4.9
8) | Alzheimer’s disease | 2.5
9) | Influenza and pneumonia | 2.0
10) | Chronic liver disease| 1.9
Who has killed people?I'd probably use the same word, but I notice they've not killed anyone and the people they're protesting have.
If they protested extremist groups then so be it, but they protest anything they don't agree with. From free speech, to Trump supporters, to anything resembling conservative/traditional values and of course they're violent as f**k. They are described as such by all sources:They engage in violent protest tactics, which has included property damage and physical violence. They tend to be anti-capitalist and they are predominantly far-left and militant left.Short for militant leftists, or occasionally far leftists and radical leftists, often used as a generalization of people who commit to acts of violence against those on the Right side of the political spectrum
How about inauguration day for President Trump when they [antifa] rioted because, feelings? How about attacking students attending a lecture on campus and causing $100,000 of damage? Or people on a Pro-Trump march? Perhaps people celebrating Patriots day?I don't think we're required to pick a side, but if you held me to the flame on it, I suspect I'd come down on the side that isn't literally the American Nazi Party.
Think of them as you will, they are referred to in the media and by pretty much all sources as "the left".It's not that pedantic - they think a liberal policy is letting everyone buy health insurance. And they're happy to live with child marriage and child labour within their own borders. And a dozen other things we'd see as being up there with the Penal Laws and Cromwell if you tried imposing them on us today. The Dems are just not a shining light leading towards a nicer world.
So the EU created the problem, the EU then had to take in the refugees they created, and then put this responsibility on the individual countries that had no say in the initial action that caused this?They literally can't do that legally; and the people we're talking about are refugees fleeing Assad, and handled under a different body of law. And frankly, we (meaning the EU) backed Assad so we'd have someone fighting ISIS as a buffer zone. The real world is ****ty and so on, okay, that's another argument; but we don't get to do that and then treat refugees fleeing sarin gas dropped by the guy we backed as if the refugees were nothing to do with us at all.
So tell me again how the EU has nothing to do with this? How the EU are not responsible for the mass influx of refugees/migrants/any other PC name?
By the way don't try to pass the EU off as all countries having equal say, it doesn't happen except in the Unicorn and Rainbow world that those in la-la land live in.
They didn't say citizenship was given on arrival, but did say citizenship would be part of the deal. So if you have issues with that i cannot help you as i can only speak to what i've read. In a time of record homelessness and struggle caused by a corrupt Government, and CYA exercises people don't care who is paying for it, only that its happening.I don't know what article you're citing, but it's flat-out wrong
Try rationalize that to the people with "calm down, i'll explain the financing behind it" will not mean spit.
Reading that article it appears the abuse is perpetrated by those same refugees housed in the same complex? IOW they are abusing their own.Funnily enough, I'm not. It's not even an analogy : http://www.thejournal.ie/abuse-is-reported-at-direct-provision-centres-across-ireland-1023749-Aug2013/
Leads back to what i said above about grooming gangs in the UK as well as other stories of a similar nature by other "refugees" in other countries such as this and this.
I was referring more so to the situation in the states, but the same holds true for here. As them if they're rather wait or go back home. A choice those in real concentration camps never got.First off, direct provision is for refugees. They're not criminals, they're not illegals, .................
So non EU citizens get the same rights as EU citizens? This is what the Dems want in the states. Illegals with the same rights as citizens.So they literally can't, not legally. Within the EU, free migration from EU state to EU state is one of the few principles the continent will literally die on ..............
Ah come off it.Pretty sure the latter is a result of the former; and the former is not exactly new; ............. it's pretty much a recipe for getting everyone pissed off at you.
Some might have been pissed off at him, but some are outright against him simply because he won, and Killary didn't. Calls for sedition, attacks on Trump's staff, his supporters, calls for a recession so just so Trump fails, etc. The madness is out of hand and the TDS is strong with most of them.
Being fair would be telling the truth, not perpetuating a fake news story. Trump NEVER said all Mexicans are rapists. The lie that he said all Mexicans are rapists comes from Tim Kaine who started making the allegation His exact words were:Well, none of them led off with "mexicans are all rapists" to be fair...Trump wrote:When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Not on Twitter so you might post some of his posts and show how he delights in the "cruelty" he is inflicting.Seriously, read his twitter feed for a day, tell me you don't see someone delighting in being nasty.
Some of his greatest hits:Didn't call him a poster boy for anything, just said he wasn't as bad as Trump and neither has anyone else been since the late 1700s and those guys were literally killing each other in duels.- Only the second President in history to be impeached, but yeah he was delight. :rolleyes:
- He doubled the federal prison population by making crack cocaine a more serious offense than powder cocaine. Crack cocaine was much cheaper and largely used by Blacks.
- He signed in NAFTA.
- He allowed logging in national forests.
- He was hesitant to take action to stop a genocide in Rwanda. While he failed to act, more than half a million Tutsis were murdered.
- He gave China Most Favored Nation (MFN) status despite their terrible human rights record
- He granted North Korea concessions in exchange for a promise to discontinue their nuclear weapons program
- He failed to deal with the threat of Osama bin Laden as he was too distracted by scandals & impeachment to take action against Al Qaeda. We all know how that ended.
So these don't count:Indeed.
Pretty huge IF there though, given that so far, he's not managed to do any such thing.- 12 appellate court judges (a first for any President in his first year)
- A supreme court justice and another in the coming months.
- Tax reform/improved economy
- Repealing individual mandate from obamacare
- Travel ban
- Defeating ISIS
- Recognition of Jerusalem something every other president refused to to address even though it was law since 1996
I'll see your video and raise you mine. notice the same hand gestures and "mocking" tone regardless of person or topic.Oh come on, you don't even have to work hard on that one.
A sad story, truly, but i did not read, hear or see that in the transcript or video. At no point did i notice anyone take her granddaughter and refuse to acknowledge her right as guardian or her documentation to prove it.......... they take the granddaughter and send her off to a tender age shelter, and refuse to acknowledge the grandmother has custody despite documentation.
All that is moot. Her claim is being examined and will be ruled on when it's ruled on. those "hopping" the fence have no such protections, and you don't seriously expect any country to allow illegal immigrants unchecked freedoms while their case is being reviewed?Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County
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Looks like immigration is going to be the death of the EUSSR. Seehofer looks likely to walk away from Mama Merkel, and even if he does not, that deal done last week is as much use as a chocolate teapot and will last just as long. Whoever thought we would live to see the return of the far right in Germany ? But the open borders lunacy looks likely to be the straw that broke the camels back.
As to why the bile against Trump, simple, the big money on wall street was backing aged wharf whore Hilary Clinton. She was also the one who pushed Hussain Obama to rid libya of Gadafi, he did not want to initially, but she wanted it as it was a major plus for her in her own election attempt. Gadafi said himself that libya was the "cork in the bottle", in other words, without him sub saharan africa would rush towards europe. He was right.
The Irish are not innocent in all this, it was our own FG backer Peter sutherland who was agitating the eu to allow open borders. It was ok for him, he was coming towards the end of his money grubbing life, everyone else has to put up with the consequences. Our cut price trudeau wannabe veruca salts has taken to this idea with gusto.
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F**k it.
Come on England.
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