Dairy chit chat II

freedominacup · 12-07-2018 12:34PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

1. Yes, but bales preferable. The combine losses will grow also and help with sugars.
2. No not difficult, same as grass.
3. My choice would be squarrosum so let’s deal with that...it’ll grow to about the height of your belly button in about 8weeks. Before it ‘buttons’ to flower cut and bale. It’ll grow over winter and spring if tillage man wants as a cc. Next spring there would be a massive crop on it. Tillage man could sell or use as crop mulch.
3. Clover *is* fert. All fert doesn’t have to come in a bag!
4. Clover is fert. It’s not a weed.

I've made a few phonecalls on it this morning. I'm being told that germination is going to be difficult/not going to happen without moisture. Is this correct?

Gawddawggonnit · 12-07-2018 12:35PM

kowtow wrote: »

I've a few acres of late sown spring barley on an outfarm which I'm counting on to provide me with just about enough straw to put under the youngest calves.

There's a good chance that I'd want to reseed the barley ground (which has been barley forever, I think) and a couple of fields next to it next year in any case.

At the moment - provided it rains at some point soon - it looks like we'll be making bales and cutting barley at more or less the same time over there, given that most of the silage ground is burned to a crisp and only just greening a little after first cut.

We've a big stock of well rotted FYM out there as well which wants a home well before winter comes. Had been thinking of ploughing it in to some silage stubbles and setting winter barley instead of spring, with a view to an Autumn reseed next year??

Any imaginative / outlandish ideas for what we could do to make the most of the ground this year?

Loads of options...

Do you prefer spring or Autumn reseeds?

kowtow · 12-07-2018 12:56PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Loads of options...

Do you prefer spring or Autumn reseeds?

Could be either over there as we won't be fully stocked next year.

There's a bit less pressure on machinery and labour in the Autumn.

freedominacup · 12-07-2018 01:46PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Walk wbarley stubbles in a fortnight and the combine losses will be growing without even a seedbed being prepared...

Local contractor has imported 5 yankee combine drivers from Wisconsin will talk with them now about cc now over a coffee.

I’ve the mobile no of the man in Cooney Furlong...

I'm waiting on a call from one of their reps.

blackdog1 · 12-07-2018 01:51PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

1. Yes, but bales preferable. The combine losses will grow also and help with sugars. 2. No not difficult, same as grass. 3. My choice would be squarrosum so letâ€™s deal with that...itâ€™ll grow to about the height of your belly button in about 8weeks. Before it â€˜buttonsâ€™ to flower cut and bale. Itâ€™ll grow over winter and spring if tillage man wants as a cc. Next spring there would be a massive crop on it. Tillage man could sell or use as crop mulch. 3. Clover *is* fert. All fert doesnâ€™t have to come in a bag! 4. Clover is fert. Itâ€™s not a weed.

What would be the feed value of squarrosum clover and how would you feed it during the winter??

charolais0153 · 12-07-2018 03:43PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

There’s always a risk in feeding any rich feed. Clover is no exception. It won’t do any harm to reproduction, but an overload will kill...(however it could be argued that death is counterproductive to reproduction!)

Is their not something to do with oestrogen in the bales or is that only with ewes

yosemitesam1 · 12-07-2018 03:56PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Is their not something to do with oestrogen in the bales or is that only with ewes

Thats only with ewe's in old varieties of red clover. Crimson clover while also having a red flower is a completely different species.

Gawddawggonnit · 12-07-2018 04:17PM

kowtow wrote: »

Could be either over there as we won't be fully stocked next year.

There's a bit less pressure on machinery and labour in the Autumn.

Preference for energy or protein?

Gawddawggonnit · 12-07-2018 05:11PM

I’ve just taken a call from a person accusing me of panicking farmers...

There was I thinking I was being pro-active and helping find solutions. Apologies.
I’ve deleted what seem to be offending posts. Will the other posters delete same please? Thanks.

I’ve stayed away from the “hows the drought affecting you” thread because I think it’s pessimistic and totally lacking solutions...

Jesus wept.

freedominacup · 12-07-2018 05:37PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I’ve just taken a call from a person accusing me of panicking farmers...

There was I thinking I was being pro-active and helping find solutions. Apologies.
I’ve deleted what seem to be offending posts. Will the other posters delete same please? Thanks.

I’ve stayed away from the “hows the drought affecting you” thread because I think it’s pessimistic and totally lacking solutions...

Jesus wept.

Panicking farmers, ah bless them, the poor lambs. Stop panicking and start putting solutions in place. I'd have to echo keepgrowing, not sure if it was this thread or the drought one where he said there's more out there than the panic merchants would have you believe. Filled most of my feed deficit today with a couple of phonecalls.

kevthegaff · 12-07-2018 06:48PM

Anyone feeding using a diet feeder out on the field? How do ye find the Abbey tub? Was considering one in the future

blackdog1 · 12-07-2018 08:45PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

Iâ€™ve just taken a call from a person accusing me of panicking farmers...

I'm enjoying this discussion. Never thought of baling clover. As a guy who milks all year its good to find alternative protein sources to soya that you can produce yourself. There's plenty tillage farmers around me too. Only thing id be worried about is bloat. Think I'll do a oats cover crop myself if I'm doing it might do an acre or 2 of clover to try it.

mahoney_j · 12-07-2018 08:47PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Anyone feeding using a diet feeder out on the field? How do ye find the Abbey tub? Was considering one in the future

Not a diet feeder but zgrazed grass beteween paddocks ,very little feed loss and working a dream so far

Snowfire · 12-07-2018 08:49PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Panicking farmers, ah bless them, the poor lambs. Stop panicking and start putting solutions in place. I'd have to echo keepgrowing, not sure if it was this thread or the drought one where he said there's more out there than the panic merchants would have you believe. Filled most of my feed deficit today with a couple of phonecalls.

Who did ya ring,? joe Duffy and met eireann....!

mahoney_j · 12-07-2018 08:54PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I’ve just taken a call from a person accusing me of panicking farmers...

There was I thinking I was being pro-active and helping find solutions. Apologies.
I’ve deleted what seem to be offending posts. Will the other posters delete same please? Thanks.

I’ve stayed away from the “hows the drought affecting you” thread because I think it’s pessimistic and totally lacking solutions...

Jesus wept.

F the begrudges ,some just don’t like differing opinions ....anyway those posts were very interesting and helpful I thought .im probably taking an option on 15 acres of westewolds and red clover for baling in late September .barley off Monday field disced today and seed in tomorrow .good option for tillage man as he’s putting wheat back in there in October

alps · 12-07-2018 09:24PM

Keep the info coming anyway FFS...

Beyond culling and whole crop, slowing rotation (of what) and the fertiliser is safe I don't think convention has many more solutions...

We have ground burned off and harrowed, but held off on the seed... thinking westerworlds and clover as the best DM return between here and late Spring, and reseed then..

GrasstoMilk · 12-07-2018 09:54PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

F the begrudges ,some just don’t like differing opinions ....anyway those posts were very interesting and helpful I thought .im probably taking an option on 15 acres of westewolds and red clover for baling in late September .barley off Monday field disced today and seed in tomorrow .good option for tillage man as he’s putting wheat back in there in October

This was my plan too Mj but talking to a rep today he told me I wouldn't get a crop by the end of October and then another one yesterday told me I'd have a crop in 10 weeks if sowed soon who do I beleive?
I have land available that I can put something in, quite a sizeable amount too. The one today was saying redstart and bale it but I'm afraid of the bales going into absolute mush!

freedominacup · 12-07-2018 09:58PM

alps wrote: »

Keep the info coming anyway FFS...

Beyond culling and whole crop, slowing rotation (of what) and the fertiliser is safe I don't think convention has many more solutions...

We have ground burned off and harrowed, but held off on the seed... thinking westerworlds and clover as the best DM return between here and late Spring, and reseed then..

I can't tempt any local tillage guys into growing any. We have a paddock that a reseed has failed in and we're going to try a cover crop in it ourselves. Once I'm more sure of it working here I might have a better chance next time with tillage lads.

kevthegaff · 12-07-2018 10:01PM

mahoney_j wrote:

Not a diet feeder but zgrazed grass beteween paddocks ,very little feed loss and working a dream so far

Ground doesn't look too burned j, how you yer side of nena

mf240 · 12-07-2018 10:04PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I’ve just taken a call from a person accusing me of panicking farmers...

There was I thinking I was being pro-active and helping find solutions. Apologies.
I’ve deleted what seem to be offending posts. Will the other posters delete same please? Thanks.

I’ve stayed away from the “hows the drought affecting you” thread because I think it’s pessimistic and totally lacking solutions...

Jesus wept.

It's too late. Several reports of panicking farmers getting stuck up trees and apparently there's two loose on the local motorway

charolais0153 · 12-07-2018 10:09PM

mf240 wrote: »

It's too late. Several reports of panicking farmers getting stuck up trees and apparently there's two loose on the local motorway

Nearly everything you post makes me laugh:D

charolais0153 · 12-07-2018 10:11PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Ground doesn't look too burned j, how you yer side of nena

Thats what were like atm. Burned in spots but growty stopped a long time ago. Grass isnt wilting away just yet though

mahoney_j · 12-07-2018 10:17PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Ground doesn't look too burned j, how you yer side of nena

Grass still growing here Kev but back to 25 kg for last week .really think having good indexes ,organic matter and keeping fertliser out is keeping the place alive .once rain arrives my place will hop .just back from in laws down ardcroney side ,now there’s some very sick looking land down there

mahoney_j · 12-07-2018 10:20PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

This was my plan too Mj but talking to a rep today he told me I wouldn't get a crop by the end of October and then another one yesterday told me I'd have a crop in 10 weeks if sowed soon who do I beleive?
I have land available that I can put something in, quite a sizeable amount too. The one today was saying redstart and bale it but I'm afraid of the bales going into absolute mush!

I’m taking chance anyway ,tillage man confident it’ll work so I’ll take him at his word never tried or know much about redstart but I’d imagine hard to bale and bales spongy .all options been looked at atm

Keepgrowing · 12-07-2018 10:30PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

I’m taking chance anyway ,tillage man confident it’ll work so I’ll take him at his word never tried or know much about redstart but I’d imagine hard to bale and bales spongy .all options been looked at atm

I’d say Westerwoulds will work. We used drill directly after maize in October and zero grazed in Fed and March before sowing beet. Those were the days

GrasstoMilk · 12-07-2018 10:37PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

I’m taking chance anyway ,tillage man confident it’ll work so I’ll take him at his word never tried or know much about redstart but I’d imagine hard to bale and bales spongy .all options been looked at atm

I neighbour did it here last year and got on okay I think. You just can't wrap it in the field with the stalks is all. I've s friend who might sow it for me and sell me the bales. Save me all the work of sowing it

mahoney_j · 12-07-2018 10:44PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I neighbour did it here last year and got on okay I think. You just can't wrap it in the field with the stalks is all. I've s friend who might sow it for me and sell me the bales. Save me all the work of sowing it

That’s best solution I think and fertliser graze and bale like fook on your own land once rain comes .would grazing the redstart be better option ?

GrasstoMilk · 12-07-2018 10:57PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

That’s best solution I think and fertliser graze and bale like fook on your own land once rain comes .would grazing the redstart be better option ?

Ah my that land is 20k away and it's tillage land.
I could sow it in land I wanted to reseed this year and graze but I'd be down land in the spring when it would be needed more

alps · 12-07-2018 11:06PM

One thing for sure, ground is very clean of weeds after a run of westerworlds before going into conventional ryegrass

freedominacup · 12-07-2018 11:19PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Grass still growing here Kev but back to 25 kg for last week .really think having good indexes ,organic matter and keeping fertliser out is keeping the place alive .once rain arrives my place will hop .just back from in laws down ardcroney side ,now there’s some very sick looking land down there

It's not indexes and I'm that's keeping you going mj. You must have plenty of clay. Gr at zero here for past ten days. Cows going into 500kg max of stuff at hay DM here for past 2 weeks. The whole area is shades of brown. Hard to know how long it will take for recovery to kick in assuming we get rain before Sept.

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