Dairy chit chat II

Gawddawggonnit · 11-07-2018 12:32PM

MF290 wrote: »

Harvester driver where I’m working for the summer has 56 harvests under the belt. Driving a lexion 770 and started in a Massey 726.

Lol, I’m afraid to say what I started on...and when!

Waffletraktor · 11-07-2018 12:39PM

MF290 wrote: »

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Started yet?

Not yet, early next week I believe. Heavy land. Just hovering stores atm.
Have you started?

Friday evening just for few hours then weekend on. 5 days then sit about for a week all going well

Waffletraktor · 11-07-2018 12:48PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Started yet?

Be finished cereals and osr by end of next week...

I’m wondering should turn into an obnoxious plick when I get tired, like every combine pilot.

It's altitude sickness

freedominacup · 11-07-2018 01:21PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol, I’m afraid to say what I started on...and when!

It was yellow and had a 15 in it's model number.

Waffletraktor · 11-07-2018 01:27PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol, I’m afraid to say what I started on...and when!

It was yellow and had a 15 in it's model number.

First drove one of those above as a classic earning it's keep, new ones literally drive themselves

MF290 · 11-07-2018 02:17PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol, I’m afraid to say what I started on...and when!

Good call, those pesky young dairy farmers might show up on your door to try and convince you to shut up shop if they think you’re over 60

Reggie. · 11-07-2018 04:06PM

MF290 wrote: »

Good call, those pesky young dairy farmers might show up on your door to try and convince you to shut up shop if they think you’re over 60

Try 70

GrasstoMilk · 11-07-2018 04:47PM

Would traveling across a slatted tank with 10t rated slats be safe enough with a full diet feeder and tractor weighing around the 10t?
Do they rate slats at 10t per axle or is it total combined weight?

longgonesilver · 11-07-2018 05:00PM

It's per axle and rolling weight.

Tip a loaded attic trailer with both axles on one gang and you might be in trouble.

Mooooo · 11-07-2018 06:58PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Would traveling across a slatted tank with 10t rated slats be safe enough with a full diet feeder and tractor weighing around the 10t?
Do they rate slats at 10t per axle or is it total combined weight?

The weight on the diet feeder wheels would be my concern, wouldn't spread the load as tractor wheels would

Keepgrowing · 11-07-2018 09:58PM

Promises to be a great http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/iga-summer-tour-to-focus-on-high-profit-and-high-return-dairying/

Mooooo · 11-07-2018 10:49PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Promises to be a great http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/iga-summer-tour-to-focus-on-high-profit-and-high-return-dairying/

Do you have to become a member to attend those or is it a case of just it a ticket or whatever? Not far away and haven't been to shinagh yet

Keepgrowing · 11-07-2018 11:40PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Do you have to become a member to attend those or is it a case of just it a ticket or whatever? Not far away and haven't been to shinagh yet

Contact IGA, Maura will sort you. You can also book on website. Do not need to be a member. Always great days outing

Keepgrowing · 11-07-2018 11:42PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Do you have to become a member to attend those or is it a case of just it a ticket or whatever? Not far away and haven't been to shinagh yet

2 really impressive operations on view. Very different approaches, high RoI and high profit per ha

Keepgrowing · 11-07-2018 11:42PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Do you have to become a member to attend those or is it a case of just it a ticket or whatever? Not far away and haven't been to shinagh yet

Contact IGA, Maura will sort you. You can also book on website. Do not need to be a member. Always great days outing

freedominacup · 12-07-2018 08:28AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Spoke to two well known private merchants on Monday about moha, squarrosum, alexandria etc, and I said that I’d organise seed for them...

No interest whatsoever. Wonder why?

I've googled them. Maybe not turning up the right plants. What are they because the searches I've just done wouldn't have me rushing to the merchants atm. Maybe the moha but from what I read it's pretty late in the year to plant it.

yosemitesam1 · 12-07-2018 09:13AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Spoke to two well known private merchants on Monday about moha, squarrosum, alexandria etc, and I said that I’d organise seed for them...

No interest whatsoever. Wonder why?

As it is there'd be fairly low interest in things people have heard of before...

jaymla627 · 12-07-2018 09:59AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

freedominacup wrote: »

I've googled them. Maybe not turning up the right plants. What are they because the searches I've just done wouldn't have me rushing to the merchants atm. Maybe the moha but from what I read it's pretty late in the year to plant it.

I wouldn’t dream of planting moha until mid June here. Mid July in Ireland in a drought year would be the same?
Personally I wouldn’t plant moha...squarrosum or alexandria, micheli, crimson would be better because guaranteed high protein.

DD (or min-till) into wbarley or wwheat stubble would be good as the combine losses would be excellent to help preserve it. Needs something with energy/sugars to preserve properly.

Those clovers (especially squarrosum) grow really aggressively and would be ready to harvest in 60 days. Perfect for dairyman and tillageman as win-win. Ground much richer before winter planting or he could leave in place for a huge cut (or green mulch) before spring planting...

Seed cost about €30/ha.

Maybe Teagasc et al would be supporting farmers better by sending a scout abroad with open eyes.
Maybe the shallow rooting, nitrogen addicted, grasses are the future? Or not?

Good example. Seeing as nitrates are restricted here, wwheat plant breeders are returning to ancient deep rooting varieties that need a helluva lot less N. Big hitting high yielders in Ireland now...

Cui bono?

Quote from Mon “what pocket would I put that into?”...

I’m not going writing any more on this, I’ll sit back and watch things develop...16mts of drought here last year, of which 11 never came under 80mm smd, and no fodder crisis.

There’s a man that works for Cooney Furlong has been doing experiments on this for a few years, although with a completely different perspective, and would be worth a chat.

The party line hasn't changed just yet, still articles running every day about how we all need to up our grass game and it's the only show in town, another 2-3 months of drought and I'd reckon their would be a full scale meltdown on a lot of farms

Keepgrowing · 12-07-2018 10:16AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

The party line hasn't changed just yet, still articles running every day about how we all need to up our grass game and it's the only show in town, another 2-3 months of drought and I'd reckon their would be a full scale meltdown on a lot of farms

“Full scale meltdown” elaborate please, no anecdotes or heresay.

Mooooo · 12-07-2018 10:17AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I wouldn’t dream of planting moha until mid June here. Mid July in Ireland in a drought year would be the same?
Personally I wouldn’t plant moha...squarrosum or alexandria, micheli, crimson would be better because guaranteed high protein.

DD (or min-till) into wbarley or wwheat stubble would be good as the combine losses would be excellent to help preserve it. Needs something with energy/sugars to preserve properly.

Those clovers (especially squarrosum) grow really aggressively and would be ready to harvest in 60 days. Perfect for dairyman and tillageman as win-win. Ground much richer before winter planting or he could leave in place for a huge cut (or green mulch) before spring planting...

Seed cost about €30/ha.

Maybe Teagasc et al would be supporting farmers better by sending a scout abroad with open eyes.
Maybe the shallow rooting, nitrogen addicted, grasses are the future? Or not?

Good example. Seeing as nitrates are restricted here, wwheat plant breeders are returning to ancient deep rooting varieties that need a helluva lot less N. Big hitting high yielders in Ireland now...

Cui bono?

Quote from Mon “what pocket would I put that into?”...

I’m not going writing any more on this, I’ll sit back and watch things develop...16mts of drought here last year, of which 11 never came under 80mm smd, and no fodder crisis.

There’s a man that works for Cooney Furlong has been doing experiments on this for a few years, although with a completely different perspective, and would be worth a chat.

With regard to those. Can they be harvested as pit and bales? Say the weather reverts to form and weather is wet around harvest time will the crop be difficult to save? Would tillage man get the return if mulched and ploughed in? Would additives be required to help save it and would it need much fert input? Appreciate that with anything there is an element of risk sorry for run of questions

Buford T. Justice XIX · 12-07-2018 10:22AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I wouldn’t dream of planting moha until mid June here. Mid July in Ireland in a drought year would be the same?
Personally I wouldn’t plant moha...squarrosum or alexandria, micheli, crimson would be better because guaranteed high protein.

DD (or min-till) into wbarley or wwheat stubble would be good as the combine losses would be excellent to help preserve it. Needs something with energy/sugars to preserve properly.

Those clovers (especially squarrosum) grow really aggressively and would be ready to harvest in 60 days. Perfect for dairyman and tillageman as win-win. Ground much richer before winter planting or he could leave in place for a huge cut (or green mulch) before spring planting...

Seed cost about €30/ha.

Maybe Teagasc et al would be supporting farmers better by sending a scout abroad with open eyes.
Maybe the shallow rooting, nitrogen addicted, grasses are the future? Or not?

Good example. Seeing as nitrates are restricted here, wwheat plant breeders are returning to ancient deep rooting varieties that need a helluva lot less N. Big hitting high yielders in Ireland now...

Cui bono?

Quote from Mon “what pocket would I put that into?”...

I’m not going writing any more on this, I’ll sit back and watch things develop...16mts of drought here last year, of which 11 never came under 80mm smd, and no fodder crisis.

There’s a man that works for Cooney Furlong has been doing experiments on this for a few years, although with a completely different perspective, and would be worth a chat.

!2 month years are long enough, not sure I could handle 16 month years:P

jaymla627 · 12-07-2018 10:27AM

Basically their would be no feed left in the yard, if this was combined with a harsh winter/spring just like has passed coming into 2019 combined with the fact lads can't realistically financially keep trucking in artic loads of soya hulls/pke to fill the deficit would you not reckon their would be a meltdown on farms without their own in house fodder reserves

yosemitesam1 · 12-07-2018 10:30AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I wouldn’t dream of planting moha until mid June here. Mid July in Ireland in a drought year would be the same?
Personally I wouldn’t plant moha...squarrosum or alexandria, micheli, crimson would be better because guaranteed high protein.

DD (or min-till) into wbarley or wwheat stubble would be good as the combine losses would be excellent to help preserve it. Needs something with energy/sugars to preserve properly.

Those clovers (especially squarrosum) grow really aggressively and would be ready to harvest in 60 days. Perfect for dairyman and tillageman as win-win. Ground much richer before winter planting or he could leave in place for a huge cut (or green mulch) before spring planting...

Seed cost about €30/ha.

Maybe Teagasc et al would be supporting farmers better by sending a scout abroad with open eyes.
Maybe the shallow rooting, nitrogen addicted, grasses are the future? Or not?

Good example. Seeing as nitrates are restricted here, wwheat plant breeders are returning to ancient deep rooting varieties that need a helluva lot less N. Big hitting high yielders in Ireland now...

Cui bono?

Quote from Mon “what pocket would I put that into?”...

I’m not going writing any more on this, I’ll sit back and watch things develop...16mts of drought here last year, of which 11 never came under 80mm smd, and no fodder crisis.

There’s a man that works for Cooney Furlong has been doing experiments on this for a few years, although with a completely different perspective, and would be worth a chat.

Keep in mind that ye are probably about 10 years+ ahead of here with cover crops etc, a lot of the glas cover crops got put on the long finger and were sown late with the more exotic types not getting going before winter.
Early down cereals with a view to cutting silage might be keeping things closer to the comfort zone

mahoney_j · 12-07-2018 10:30AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

The party line hasn't changed just yet, still articles running every day about how we all need to up our grass game and it's the only show in town, another 2-3 months of drought and I'd reckon their would be a full scale meltdown on a lot of farms

Full scale meltdown I’d doubt it but this year has showed massive holes in the one and only method of milk production been promoted here .grass is a super feed but highly variable due to management ,weather land type etc .even with very good management it only has a high feed value from may to September and even at that Mother Nature can and will fook with that .

alps · 12-07-2018 10:43AM

Innocent question...

Could an undersown crop of barley be put in today and make it to whole crop ripening stage by October?

kowtow · 12-07-2018 10:49AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I wouldn’t dream of planting moha until mid June here. Mid July in Ireland in a drought year would be the same?
Personally I wouldn’t plant moha...squarrosum or alexandria, micheli, crimson would be better because guaranteed high protein.

DD (or min-till) into wbarley or wwheat stubble would be good as the combine losses would be excellent to help preserve it. Needs something with energy/sugars to preserve properly.

Those clovers (especially squarrosum) grow really aggressively and would be ready to harvest in 60 days. Perfect for dairyman and tillageman as win-win. Ground much richer before winter planting or he could leave in place for a huge cut (or green mulch) before spring planting...

Seed cost about €30/ha.

Maybe Teagasc et al would be supporting farmers better by sending a scout abroad with open eyes.
Maybe the shallow rooting, nitrogen addicted, grasses are the future? Or not?

Good example. Seeing as nitrates are restricted here, wwheat plant breeders are returning to ancient deep rooting varieties that need a helluva lot less N. Big hitting high yielders in Ireland now...

Cui bono?

Quote from Mon “what pocket would I put that into?”...

I’m not going writing any more on this, I’ll sit back and watch things develop...16mts of drought here last year, of which 11 never came under 80mm smd, and no fodder crisis.

There’s a man that works for Cooney Furlong has been doing experiments on this for a few years, although with a completely different perspective, and would be worth a chat.

I've a few acres of late sown spring barley on an outfarm which I'm counting on to provide me with just about enough straw to put under the youngest calves.

There's a good chance that I'd want to reseed the barley ground (which has been barley forever, I think) and a couple of fields next to it next year in any case.

At the moment - provided it rains at some point soon - it looks like we'll be making bales and cutting barley at more or less the same time over there, given that most of the silage ground is burned to a crisp and only just greening a little after first cut.

We've a big stock of well rotted FYM out there as well which wants a home well before winter comes. Had been thinking of ploughing it in to some silage stubbles and setting winter barley instead of spring, with a view to an Autumn reseed next year??

Any imaginative / outlandish ideas for what we could do to make the most of the ground this year?

yosemitesam1 · 12-07-2018 10:52AM

alps wrote: »

Innocent question...

Could an undersown crop of barley be put in today and make it to whole crop ripening stage by October?

It probably wouldn't get to wholecrop stage but could add reasonable quality bulk cut as grass silage

freedominacup · 12-07-2018 11:31AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I wouldn’t dream of planting moha until mid June here. Mid July in Ireland in a drought year would be the same?
Personally I wouldn’t plant moha...squarrosum or alexandria, micheli, crimson would be better because guaranteed high protein.

DD (or min-till) into wbarley or wwheat stubble would be good as the combine losses would be excellent to help preserve it. Needs something with energy/sugars to preserve properly.

Those clovers (especially squarrosum) grow really aggressively and would be ready to harvest in 60 days. Perfect for dairyman and tillageman as win-win. Ground much richer before winter planting or he could leave in place for a huge cut (or green mulch) before spring planting...

Seed cost about €30/ha.

Maybe Teagasc et al would be supporting farmers better by sending a scout abroad with open eyes.
Maybe the shallow rooting, nitrogen addicted, grasses are the future? Or not?

Good example. Seeing as nitrates are restricted here, wwheat plant breeders are returning to ancient deep rooting varieties that need a helluva lot less N. Big hitting high yielders in Ireland now...

Cui bono?

Quote from Mon “what pocket would I put that into?”...

I’m not going writing any more on this, I’ll sit back and watch things develop...16mts of drought here last year, of which 11 never came under 80mm smd, and no fodder crisis.

There’s a man that works for Cooney Furlong has been doing experiments on this for a few years, although with a completely different perspective, and would be worth a chat.

With the moha for example there's no intention of getting it to harvest. You are aiming to harvest it before heading as a green crop? By crimson you mean crimson red? Last question these will germinate in very low moisture situations?

yosemitesam1 · 12-07-2018 12:10PM

freedominacup wrote: »

With the moha for example there's no intention of getting it to harvest. You are aiming to harvest it before heading as a green crop? By crimson you mean crimson red? Last question these will germinate in very low moisture situations?

https://web.archive.org/web/20050507220100/http://www.fao.org:80/ag/agp/AGPC/doc/GBASE/mainmenu.htm

Have a look through that, a bit on most of the clovers dawg talks about.

Edit. Most of the trials would have been done in southern Europe/America's

kowtow · 12-07-2018 12:30PM

Is there any issue with feeding red clover (bales..) to cows during breeding season?

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