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Loaded sub machine gun found on street.

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    #32
    corner of hells
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    I think it's lovely that some upstanding member of the public would hand it in.


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    #33
    dense
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    Im wondering how exactly did it get into the news?


    Did the Gardai issue a press release about the happy return of their lost firearm or did the finder phone a journalist to tell them about their excitement about finding it and their sense of civic pride in returning it?


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    #34
    corner of hells
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    eviltimeban wrote: »
    Reminds me of an old army story I once heard. Soldiers on maneuvers lost a gun. So they tell their commanding officer they lost five guns. He promptly goes nuts. They go back to him later to say they found four but one was still missing. Not so bad then!

    So they found four that weren't missing at all ?


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    #35
    enricoh
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    I'm wonder is the cop is suffering from post traumatic stress disorder after the trauma of this? Surely worth a try, with a sympathetic judge in tow there could be a handy 50k out of it!


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    #36
    eviltimeban
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    So they found four that weren't missing at all ?

    thatsthejoke.jpg


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    #37
    fuzzyduck4
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    dense wrote: »
    Im wondering how exactly did it get into the news?


    Did the Gardai issue a press release about the happy return of their lost firearm or did the finder phone a journalist to tell them about their excitement about finding it and their sense of civic pride in returning it?
    Mustve been a member of the public that reported this. Some poor copper will be getting some strong words in a meeting this morning.


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    #38
    fuzzyduck4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭fuzzyduck4


    dense wrote: »
    Im wondering how exactly did it get into the news?


    Did the Gardai issue a press release about the happy return of their lost firearm or did the finder phone a journalist to tell them about their excitement about finding it and their sense of civic pride in returning it?
    Mustve been a member of the public that reported this. Some poor copper will be getting some strong words in a meeting this morning.


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    #39
    lawred2
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    mattser wrote: »
    Right so. Don't bother your bollox calling them at 3am when you have a burglar. Fire the keyboard at him.
    Or move somewhere else in Western Europe.

    I think most people burgled would largely be in agreement with you really


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    #40
    corner of hells
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    eviltimeban wrote: »
    thatsthejoke.jpg

    Corners , you thick.

    Whooosh.

    For the record , I'm not a Garda and the guns not mine.


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    #41
    Snickers Man
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    blackbox wrote: »
    Imagine what could happen in a country where everyone was allowed to carry guns.

    Apparently things like this happen all the time in Israel, where all non-Arab citizens MUST serve in the armed forces and all able-bodied males are required to do so for at least a month every year.

    In any public place you are bound to see a lot of armed soldiers, not necessarily on duty, just in service and toting their weapons with them. Also likely to find yourself sitting next to one on a bus or train.

    This I have seen; what I haven't seen personally but have been told often happens is that soldiers leave the bus leaving their gun on the seat behind them. You know. like we do with our umbrellas. Even though, strictly speaking, you can be jailed for failing to account for your service weapon.

    I would love to see it some day. "Sir! Your Uzi! Don't forget it."
    Soldier slaps head "Doh! Silly me. Thanks for that. Bye"


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    #42
    RobbingBandit
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    They're lucky I didn't find it

    YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE COPPERS


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    #43
    seamus
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    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    This is probably one reason why Guards are not routinely armed here. I wonder if guns are usually left down by cops in Dunkin Dounuts in the U.S, or by European Cops in the French or Spanish equivalent.
    Yes. It's a surprisingly common occurrence.

    See that video a few weeks back where an FBI agent was doing some drunken breakdancing, dropped his gun and then shot someone in the leg in his scramble to pick it back up.

    This incident will actually be taken seriously. The Gardai really don't fcnk around when it comes to weapons. The guy who lost it will need a very strong explanation to be allowed back onto an armed unit again.

    The main implication here not being, "what if a criminal had found it", but rather "what if a child had found it".


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    #44
    kona
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    I doubt it was left on the ground for long. It was probably down beside one of the cars or in the process of being loaded into a car.
    Afaik in the states , uk and europe the guns are attached to their belts with a cable.


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    #45
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Speaking as someone who's regularly armed you've to constantly bare in mind where your weapon is, constantly. I know I'd even check the serial number of my weapon a number of times during the course of a duty to make sure I've got my own weapon.

    I can't imagine the Guards weapon was missing too long before the member noticed it, and likely shat himself.

    I can not imagine losing my weapon, even the thought of it freaks me out.

    And as bad as it is for the Guard today and least there's some relief for him/her that the weapon has been handed in and its safe.

    Either way the member is in a world of sh*t this morning, and will be for awhile yet.

    Thing is, its not even that difficult for an untrained person to charge and discharge a gun.


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    #46
    o1s1n
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    I can't believe I missed out on a free sub machine gun :(


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    #47
    corner of hells
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    Rylee Echoing Flu wrote: »
    Speaking as someone who's regularly armed you've to constantly bare in mind where your weapon is, constantly. I know I'd even check the serial number of my weapon a number of times during the course of a duty to make sure I've got my own weapon.

    I can't imagine the Guards weapon was missing too long before the member noticed it, and likely shat himself.

    I can not imagine losing my weapon, even the thought of it freaks me out.

    And as bad as it is for the Guard today and least there's some relief for him/her that the weapon has been handed in and its safe.

    Either way the member is in a world of sh*t this morning, and will be for awhile yet.

    Thing is, its not even that difficult for an untrained person to charge and discharge a gun.

    What would happen to soldier if he lost a weapon ?


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    #48
    dense
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    fuzzyduck4 wrote: »
    Mustve been a member of the public that reported this.


    I suppose it must have, but I'd like to know the motivation behind reporting it to or sharing it with the media....


    Unless AGS felt that they'd better say it for fear of the finder going to the press first and making them look as if they were trying to keep it quiet.



    Not saying it should not be publicised, but haven't heard the finder being quoted about their disgust/shock/delight about their find!


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    #49
    soups05
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    just a thought, what would have happened the good citizen if he got stopped on the way to the station with a gun in his hand?

    cops could mistakenly think he stole it or it was an illegal gun, showdown time. I would have rung 999 rather than pick it up.

    (unless i could get it home safely then its purge time :) )


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    #50
    punisher5112
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    It fell out of the boot of Audi Q7 going over a ramp.
    In it's bag and all.


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    #51
    Hitman3000
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    Rylee Echoing Flu wrote:
    Either way the member is in a world of sh*t this morning, and will be for awhile yet.


    I doubt that person will still be a member of the ERU at the end of the month.


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    #52
    punisher5112
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    I doubt that person will still be a member of the ERU at the end of the month.

    They will, the boot opened, it fell out.


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    #53
    Mint Sauce
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    seamus wrote: »
    Yes. It's a surprisingly common occurrence.

    See that video a few weeks back where an FBI agent was doing some drunken breakdancing, dropped his gun and then shot someone in the leg in his scramble to pick it back up.

    This incident will actually be taken seriously. The Gardai really don't fcnk around when it comes to weapons. The guy who lost it will need a very strong explanation to be allowed back onto an armed unit again.

    The main implication here not being, "what if a criminal had found it", but rather "what if a child had found it".

    I heard about that incident my self. Not saying it was okay that he accidently shot someone, but he didn't lose the gun, and risk it falling into wrong hands. Accidental discharges, probably happen more often than we think as well.

    As for what if a criminal found it, what interest would they have it. They probably have more, and better ones than the Guards.


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    #54
    seamus
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    dense wrote: »
    I suppose it must have, but I'd like to know the motivation behind reporting it to or sharing it with the media....
    Plenty of Gardai around who love getting a kick out of being a leak to the press. Chances are a Garda heard about it on the grapevine and texted the info to a journalist who then contacted the Gardai for an official statement.
    soups05 wrote: »
    cops could mistakenly think he stole it or it was an illegal gun, showdown time. I would have rung 999 rather than pick it up.
    In Ireland? At worst a Garda would have stopped him and told him to put the weapon on the ground. This isn't the trigger happy US where you'll be surrounded by 20 armed cops, 30 seconds after the phone call was made.

    Someone else mentions it fell from a boot, so it was probably in a bag, making it a good deal easier to carry silently. I expect the person rang ahead to let them know, rather than walking into a Garda station with a loaded weapon :D


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    #55
    Hitman3000
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    punisher5112 wrote:
    They will, the boot opened, it fell out.


    The guns aren't just thrown in the boot.....


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    #56
    Mint Sauce
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    The guns aren't just thrown in the boot.....

    This. I thought when not in use, they were in a locked cabinent, in a locked boot.


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    #57
    punisher5112
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    The guns aren't just thrown in the boot.....

    They can be when in a carry bag.


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    #58
    cd07
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    I would have presumed that these firearms would have to properly secured in an almost fixed case in the boot of the car on patrol or en route? I've seen they way the American cops have their weapons fixed in a semi-customized hold in their car boots. Just thought it would be same here


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    #59
    Seth Brundle
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    They will, the boot opened, it fell out.
    Did nobody notice the boot opened or if they did, did they not notice the black bag on he ground?
    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    The guns aren't just thrown in the boot.....
    Obviously they are!


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    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    What would happen to soldier if he lost a weapon ?

    I honestly don't know.

    Losing your own personal weapon like that, sh*t that thought even scares me.

    Its negligence and not criminal, its been handed back in (little comfort but its some). So I'd imagine severe disciplinary action and punishment. Since its not criminal I doubt a soldier or a garda would lose their job, but I bet this morning that guard is thinking 'fook I'm going to lose my job over this'.

    They probably won't be armed anymore, or depending on how the unit is fixed for personnel strength they'll be away from firearms for awhile (could be further training, but thats a guess).

    Seriously the thoughts of it happening to me gives me butterflies in my tummy lol

    Quick edit... From RTE;
    A loaded sub-machine gun fell out of an emergency response unit car after it went over a ramp and the boot opened.

    An entirely different matter now.

    The storage in their car's will have to be looked at now.

    It seems a little silly to me that their weapons are carried like that. I'd ALWAYS want mine to hand, but just to use it quickly but I've signed for it, and I'm not letting it out of my sight for a minute.


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    #61
    TheChizler
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    cd07 wrote: »
    I would have presumed that these firearms would have to properly secured in an almost fixed case in the boot of the car on patrol or en route? I've seen they way the American cops have their weapons fixed in a semi-customized hold in their car boots. Just thought it would be same here
    If it was this kind of bag it's understandable how the bag would be loose in the boot:
    604024c-5020e2f2a5c59.jpg

    Apparently the Gardaí in the car saw it happen but by the time they got there someone had picked it up and disappeared. How someone could make it away that fast with something like that I don't know...

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0711/977864-gardai-gun/


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