Loaded sub machine gun found on street.

TheShow · 12-07-2018 11:21am

Hitman3000 wrote: »

It's amazing though people in positions of authority or high office blatantly lie, but it's acceptable.

sure why take the blame when you can pass the book!

archer22 · 12-07-2018 11:36am

Hitman3000 wrote: »

It's amazing though people in positions of authority or high office blatantly lie, but it's acceptable.

And that's the reason they do...never any consequences, everything to gain and nothing to lose by it.

opfleet · 12-07-2018 5:36pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

if there is a better "explanation" we would have heard by now. In my view the big problem is that the guards start training with weapons far too late in their careers. Regard is not transferred to any kind of armed work until he has been at least 4 years in the job. By the time they get to weapons training, they have lost all ability to be disciplined. They simply do not have the right instincts and attitude to weapons.

Who exactly is "they". Just because this one ERU member made a blunder, that meant all 100 members of the ERU have a bad attitude? For your information the ERU are one of the most highly trained in Europe. The Norwegian ERU received training from the Garda ERU following the 2011 attacks. They have had many successful operations most notably in 2009 when an armed raider in Lucan was infiltrated and in 2005 when two armed raiders in Lusk were infiltrated. They occasionally train along with the SAS and Irish Rangers Wing. To get into the ERU takes a rare breed. It has a 95% selection failure rate...

alaimacerc · 12-07-2018 5:41pm

TheShow wrote: »

Gardai Press officer or some other spin merchant I'd imagine.

Breath-test-chemicals Ali, perhaps?

https://www.joe.ie/news/interview-garda-breath-test-scandal-601321

Donald Trump · 12-07-2018 5:47pm

TheShow wrote: »

sure why take the blame when you can pass the book!

*buck*

Rows Grower · 12-07-2018 5:48pm

opfleet wrote: »

Who exactly is "they". Just because this one ERU member made a blunder, that meant all 100 members of the ERU have a bad attitude? For your information the ERU are one of the most highly trained in Europe. The Norwegian ERU received training from the Garda ERU following the 2011 attacks. They have had many successful operations most notably in 2009 when an armed raider in Lucan was infiltrated and in 2005 when two armed raiders in Lusk were infiltrated. They occasionally train along with the SAS and Irish Rangers Wing. To get into the ERU takes a rare breed. It has a 95% selection failure rate...

I think you need to check what the word "infiltrated" means.

opfleet · 12-07-2018 5:53pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

I think you need to check what the word "infiltrated" means.

attacked...

Are Am Eye · 12-07-2018 5:55pm

opfleet wrote: »

Who exactly is "they". Just because this one ERU member

They exactly is the several Garda who were in the car who gathered around and came up with a story ("right lads, we'll say we were driving over a ramp, ok, and then ....") and will subsequently commit this story to official reports and sworn evidence etc.

archer22 · 12-07-2018 5:58pm

opfleet wrote: »

Who exactly is "they". Just because this one ERU member made a blunder, that meant all 100 members of the ERU have a bad attitude? For your information the ERU are one of the most highly trained in Europe. The Norwegian ERU received training from the Garda ERU following the 2011 attacks. They have had many successful operations most notably in 2009 when an armed raider in Lucan was infiltrated and in 2005 when two armed raiders in Lusk were infiltrated. They occasionally train along with the SAS and Irish Rangers Wing. To get into the ERU takes a rare breed. It has a 95% selection failure rate...

I think somebody just woke up after being snoozing out in Sun...nice dream though :pac:

Rows Grower · 12-07-2018 6:22pm

opfleet wrote: »

attacked...

Double check that.

Hammer89 · 12-07-2018 6:23pm

Ten of Swords wrote: »

I remembered a similar thing happening in the UK a few years ago. One of Tony Blair's bodyguards left a Glock pistol in the toilets at Starbucks and didn't realise it for over an hour, when she realised and returned to look for it someone had taken it.

That explains it so.

Nekarsulm · 12-07-2018 6:29pm

archer22 wrote: »

And that's the reason they do...never any consequences, everything to gain and nothing to lose by it.

Not always the case.
Remember when two armed Gardaí on duty outside the American Embassy slipped off for a few pints, got scuttered and started to argue in a bar?
They proceeded to beat the crap out of each other over whose round it was.
Seperated, they went back to the Embassey gates, where they continued to fight.
One Garda handed his gun to a uniformed member of the force, got into his car and drove off drunk.

The two lads were kicked out of the Force, as you would expect.

corner of hells · 12-07-2018 6:31pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

That explains it so.

So a woman can't do the job ?

alaimacerc · 12-07-2018 6:33pm

corner of hells wrote: »

So a woman can't do the job ?

Hammer89 forgot he wasn't posting on PROC. Or from 1989, maybe.

Hammer89 · 12-07-2018 6:36pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Hammer89 forgot he wasn't posting on PROC. Or from 1989, maybe.

You forgot we're both posting on AH and jokes about women misplacing their guns isn't all that serious.

Atoms for Peace · 12-07-2018 7:11pm

"Say hello to my little friend"

RustyNut · 12-07-2018 7:29pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

"Say hello to my little friend"

Say bye bye to my little friend more like.

alaimacerc · 12-07-2018 7:54pm

Hammer89 wrote: »

You forgot we're both posting on AH and jokes about women misplacing their guns isn't all that serious.

With an actual joke being in the post?

Ten of Swords · 25-05-2019 2:32am

GSOC recommend no disciplinary sanctions for the 2 detectives. I wonder if they'd be so benevolent if the gun had not been recovered.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/two-gardai-who-lost-submachine-gun-on-dublin-street-should-not-face-sanctions-gsoc-38146575.html

Beta Ray Bill · 26-05-2019 7:55am

Ten of Swords wrote: »

GSOC recommend no disciplinary sanctions for the 2 detectives. I wonder if they'd be so benevolent if the gun had not been recovered.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/two-gardai-who-lost-submachine-gun-on-dublin-street-should-not-face-sanctions-gsoc-38146575.html

In fairness this is a known issue with the Audi's
The woman who walked away with the bag "wanted the story"

The Garda station was right there, she didn't need to walk away with it.
There is a Garda manning the gate of the Station on Harcourt St all the time.

There was absolutely no reason to walk away with it.

Poor Uncle Tom · 26-05-2019 8:03am

grahambo wrote: »

In fairness this is a known issue with the Audi's
The woman who walked away with the bag "wanted the story"

The Garda station was right there, she didn't need to walk away with it.
There is a Garda manning the gate of the Station on Harcourt St all the time.

There was absolutely no reason to walk away with it.

Amazing, bungling keystone cops and someone finds an angle to lay blame elsewhere

ILoveYourVibes · 26-05-2019 8:03am

Rows Grower wrote: »

Found in north inner city Dublin.

A member of the public handed it into a Garda Station.

It was a Garda gun.

Ooops.

Someone needs to be fired and maybe arrested.

ILoveYourVibes · 26-05-2019 8:04am

Ten of Swords wrote: »

GSOC recommend no disciplinary sanctions for the 2 detectives. I wonder if they'd be so benevolent if the gun had not been recovered.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/two-gardai-who-lost-submachine-gun-on-dublin-street-should-not-face-sanctions-gsoc-38146575.html

OH NO ....this is NOT ok they should not be allowed keep their jobs.

Beta Ray Bill · 26-05-2019 3:42pm

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Amazing, bungling keystone cops and someone finds an angle to lay blame elsewhere

Google "audi a6 faulty boot lock"
This is a known issue!!

This whole thing happened in a matter of seconds.

They saw the woman with the bag walking off with it.
Would you pick up a small black duffle bag off the ground in the middle of the street and look at what's inside of it?

Make no mistake she knew EXACTLY what it was, and wanted the drama/news story.

Even if you did look inside of it, the first thing I'd do is call the Garda and tell them there is Gun in a bag right outside your Garda Station. I most certainly would not walk off with it.

Nekarsulm · 26-05-2019 4:23pm

They saw her pick up the bag, but instead of jamming on the brakes and leaping out and grabbing her and the bag/gun, they drive on and tried to drive back to the spot.
Then we were told that due to traffic they couldn't turn around and by the time they finally drove back, she had disappeared.
This smells like bullšhit to me.
Either they saw her picking up the bag and couldn't be arsed getting out of the Audi to chase her (extreme negligence, dereliction of duty) or the didn't miss it untill later. ( just negligent).
Or more likely, one guy left the bag on top of the boot lid and forgot to put it in the car at all, then came up with the boot lock story later.
Strange there is no CCTV on a Garda Station entrance.....

Edgware · 26-05-2019 4:38pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

They saw her pick up the bag, but instead of jamming on the brakes and leaping out and grabbing her and the bag/gun, they drive on and tried to drive back to the spot.
Then we were told that due to traffic they couldn't turn around and by the time they finally drove back, she had disappeared.
This smells like bullšhit to me.
Either they saw her picking up the bag and couldn't be arsed getting out of the Audi to chase her (extreme negligence, dereliction of duty) or the didn't miss it untill later. ( just negligent).
Or more likely, one guy left the bag on top of the boot lid and forgot to put it in the car at all, then came up with the boot lock story later.
Strange there is no CCTV on a Garda Station entrance.....

The CCTV was directed towards the grassy knoll

MrFresh · 26-05-2019 5:03pm

Be interesting to see how the Commissioner responds. He's eager to fire a Garda for having sex in uniform and filming it. I'd argue losing a machine gun is worse than that. He's holding up promotions for people simply because there is a complaint about them yet there seems to have been a complete cover up of the incident at the gate to hq where he was apparently in an accident while being escorted by armed PSNI officers.

Poor Uncle Tom · 26-05-2019 5:09pm

grahambo wrote: »

Google "audi a6 faulty boot lock"
This is a known issue!!

And that's why the cops are using it as an excuse.

grahambo wrote: »

This whole thing happened in a matter of seconds.

They saw the woman with the bag walking off with it.

Bull****, if they saw her they would have followed/chased her.

grahambo wrote: »

Would you pick up a small black duffle bag off the ground in the middle of the street and look at what's inside of it?

It doesn't matter what I would do. In this case a member of the public did just as you said.

grahambo wrote: »

Make no mistake she knew EXACTLY what it was, and wanted the drama/news story.

Are we to believe your CT that this woman was stalking the cops waiting for them to slip up so she could expose them? If so, they shouldn't have played so spectacularly into her hands, should they?

grahambo wrote: »

Even if you did look inside of it, the first thing I'd do is call the Garda and tell them there is Gun in a bag right outside your Garda Station. I most certainly would not walk off with it.

The whole thing stinks but one thing shines through the whole debacle and that's the complete ineptitude to the cops involved, they shouldn't be in charge of a walking stick let alone a loaded firearm.

Beta Ray Bill · 26-05-2019 6:08pm

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

And that's why the cops are using it as an excuse.

That doesnt add up for me, it's what happened. There is no excuses to be made.

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Bull****, if they saw her they would have followed/chased her.

I agree with you.
This is the bit I don't get. if I knew it was a gun I'd have ran after her.
(Unless she ran too that is)

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

It doesn't matter what I would do. In this case a member of the public did just as you said.

Can I ask what you would do?
1: If you saw a black duffle bag on the side of the road would you stop and open it or walk away?
2: If you discovered a machine gun, would call the Garda immediately or would you walk off with it?

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Are we to believe your CT that this woman was stalking the cops waiting for them to slip up so she could expose them? If so, they shouldn't have played so spectacularly into her hands, should they?

No, just an arsehole with an opportunity. If it were me, I would have called the Garda having discovered it, and waited with it until they arrived.
Lot of them out there.

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

The whole thing stinks but one thing shines through the whole debacle and that's the complete ineptitude to the cops involved, they shouldn't be in charge of a walking stick let alone a loaded firearm.

Not really.
This was a GSOC investigation. GSOC HATE the Garda and will throw the book at them for even the smallest infraction.
Ask any Garda and they will tell you this.

The fact that the GSOC found the story to be legit and said the Gardai involved should not face any action says a lot.

You can believe all the sensationalist crap if you want.

GrumpyMe · 26-05-2019 6:09pm

Rylee Echoing Flu wrote: »

I've no idea tbh.
I seem to recall a guard being shot by another member in a botched bank robbery. Not sure if he died, a Google search might work.
There was a recruit injured by another in training a few years back. From member the recruit was shooting blanks but had not put the Blank Firing Attachment onto the muzzle of his rifle.
I don't recall any soldiers being shot by friendly fire with live ball.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

That was the Abbeyleix bank robbery. Sergeant John Eiffe was shot dead and another Guard injured. No shots were fired by the robbers.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/the-tragic-day-a-young-garda-died-26245908.html

Could also be from 1990 Athy raid
“...Yesterday’s shooting brings this year’s total of men shot by gardaí to 12. Bank raider Austin Higgins was killed in the Athy shoot-out outside the Bank of Ireland on January 12. On that occasion, Garda fire also hit two other gang members, two bank staff and three gardaí.” The Cork Examiner 07/07/1990
http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/ina_wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Irish-Examiner-July-07-1990-Combined-with-logos.pdf
I seem to remember footage of the “siege” on the RTE News, with one shotgun bearing garda doing all movie moves, weapon held high across his upper chest, running to and flattening himself against the wall of the bank beside the entrance – looked OTT/gung-ho at the time.

Loaded sub machine gun found on street.

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