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They're Alive!!!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Injun Joe didn't make it :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Does anyone know what de f**k those guys were doing going so far into a cave system when they were obviously not kitted out for that kind of thing and had apparently ignored warning signs about not entering the caves during the rainy season.
    Although it's not a priority now, that 'coach' is going to get a very rough time of it when they are eventually rescued.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,527 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    That's great to see they have been found alive. Hopefully they can get them out now but it is not going to be easy.
    I wonder what hollywood studio will pick up on this and will it be made into a movie or a series. Personally myself I think a series would be better. Actually I even have a title for either.

    Hope this ends well and they all get out safe first do. They said on the news today since they have not eaten for 10 days that they were not sure if they could have food now. They are going to have to start eating again a small bit at a time.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,494 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    There's lots of coverage of this on the BBC news right now, as the two divers that found them were actually unpaid volunteers from the British Cave Rescue Council (http://www.caverescue.org.uk/). One is a retired fireman the other an IT consultant in normal life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    The Thai authorities have appealed for donations of full-face scuba diving masks small enough to fit the boys in order to reduce the risk of their breathing apparatus coming loose as they travel through flooded passageways.

    The group is also in a weak state after days without food.

    Thai officials told reporters on Tuesday that seven divers, including a doctor and a nurse, were with the group inside the cave. They were providing health checks and treatment, and keeping the boys entertained.

    "They have been fed with easy-to-digest, high-energy food with vitamins and minerals, under the supervision of a doctor," Rear Admiral Apagorn Youkonggaew, head of the Thai navy's special forces, told reporters.

    "No need to worry. We will look after them as well as we can. We will bring them out safely."

    The admiral said the idea that the boys would have to remain in the cave system for four months was very much a worst-case scenario.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44692813

    That must have been a weird job description...''Are you a doctor or a nurse, who is also an expert cave diver, prepared to negotiate hazardous underwater conditions, narrow passages, utter darkness, silt and an uncertain forecast of heavy rains that may drastically complicate matters, and willing to take up a residential position alongside 12 children and a coach trapped in a cave, in order to supply medical care and entertainment?'' There can't have been that many with not only the qualifications but also the mindset and yet they found them! :) Anyways there is talk of prosecuting the coach, but I feel sorry for him too, he is only a young chap, and probably just thought at the time it would be great craic for the birthday boy. He has also obviously been the one who has managed to keep them somehow organised and sane during this ordeal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Malayalam wrote: »
    Anyways there is talk of prosecuting the coach, but I feel sorry for him too, he is only a young chap, and probably just thought at the time it would be great craic for the birthday boy. He has also obviously been the one who has managed to keep them somehow organised and sane during this ordeal.

    That's the thing, whatever about having gone in there in the first place (and I don't know if they did or didn't ignore any warnings) he managed to keep them all together, alive and in reasonably good spirits from what I understand.

    That's no small feat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Doesn't seem likely they will try to scuba them out, sounds far too dangerous, with the monsoon rains returning in a few days and likely to be relentless as the full monsoon arrives, they could be stuck down there for 3-4 months potentially. From the video of the divers finding them it doesn't look like their spot is at all comfortable or suitable to be a temporary home for such a long period of time, it looked like a small shelf up a steep slope with the water below. It's great they have been found alive, but this could well just be the start of their ordeal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    Okay, this is really evil of me....hehe...cameras in, and live-streamed reality show? Would have to be waaaay better than the stuff like Big Brother etc :p They could raise advertising revenue that way to finance the whole operation (see how i justify my evil thoughts!) the country, nay! the whole world would be tuned in, glued to their seats, the cameras outside on the beefy rescue teams activities, go-pros on their helmets, the tension at HQ, spats between generals, Mamas cooking meals to be delivered in.....

    Sorry...evil, I know

    anyways, back to having floaty, benign thoughts :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Malayalam wrote: »
    Okay, this is really evil of me....hehe...cameras in, and live-streamed reality show? Would have to be waaaay better than the stuff like Big Brother etc :p They could raise advertising revenue that way to finance the whole operation (see how i justify my evil thoughts!) the country, nay! the whole world would be tuned in, glued to their seats, the cameras outside on the beefy rescue teams activities, go-pros on their helmets, the tension at HQ, spats between generals, Mamas cooking meals to be delivered in.....

    Sorry...evil, I know

    anyways, back to having floaty, benign thoughts :)

    I don't even think that's evil to be honest. The biggest drawback of that might be that it could encourage copycats though.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    wexie wrote: »
    I don't even think that's evil to be honest. The biggest drawback of that might be that it could encourage copycats though.

    Hmmmm, sheesh, I never think of the downsides. True for ya. Silly me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Does anyone know what de f**k those guys were doing going so far into a cave system when they were obviously not kitted out for that kind of thing and had apparently ignored warning signs about not entering the caves during the rainy season.
    Although it's not a priority now, that 'coach' is going to get a very rough time of it when they are eventually rescued.

    I think they had to keep moving deeper into the cave to avoid flooding which would have drowned them


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,527 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    ....... wrote: »
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    Why don't they just get a big drill and drill down to them?

    As for the reality show am not a fan. Prefer it be made into a series after there is happy ending and they are all rescued.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Malayalam wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44692813

    That must have been a weird job description...''Are you a doctor or a nurse, who is also an expert cave diver, prepared to negotiate hazardous underwater conditions, narrow passages, utter darkness, silt and an uncertain forecast of heavy rains that may drastically complicate matters, and willing to take up a residential position alongside 12 children and a coach trapped in a cave, in order to supply medical care and entertainment?'' There can't have been that many with not only the qualifications but also the mindset and yet they found them! :) Anyways there is talk of prosecuting the coach, but I feel sorry for him too, he is only a young chap, and probably just thought at the time it would be great craic for the birthday boy. He has also obviously been the one who has managed to keep them somehow organised and sane during this ordeal.

    I’d imagine the doctor and nurse are from the Thai navy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    wexie wrote: »
    That's the thing, whatever about having gone in there in the first place (and I don't know if they did or didn't ignore any warnings) he managed to keep them all together, alive and in reasonably good spirits from what I understand.

    That's no small feat.

    The book should be thrown at him. He endangered the lives of all the boys. And if any of them don’t make it he should be done for manslaughter. Absolute idiot.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    A diver being interviewed said that it's three hours from where they are to the surface. They won't risk it whilst they have a safe place to stay for now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    The book should be thrown at him. He endangered the lives of all the boys. And if any of them don’t make it he should be done for manslaughter. Absolute idiot.

    I hope he doesn't. He's more than suffered enough & we don't know the circumstances.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    ....... wrote: »
    We dont know exactly what happened and he hardly did it on purpose just to be mean.

    Honestly, a bit of empathy for everyone in the situation wouldnt go astray.

    If your kid died because of the stupidity of his football coach, would you feel “empathy” because he’d amused the kids while they were waiting to be rescued??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Discodog wrote: »
    I hope he doesn't. He's more than suffered enough & we don't know the circumstances.

    We know he ignored flood warnings and brought a group of children into a highly dangerous area. A few years in the Bangkok Hilton might cop him on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    We know he ignored flood warnings and brought a group of children into a highly dangerous area. A few years in the Bangkok Hilton might cop him on.

    Hopefully you will have a perfect life & never make a mistake.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    The coach and the kids haven't even made it out safely yet and talk of punishment ! If I was parent I wold be mad of course he did that if my child died but if my child survived I can't say Id hold any grudge, Id just be happy they're all safe again


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭badtoro


    How safe is their current location should a heavy monsoon come in I wonder.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    badtoro wrote: »
    How safe is their current location should a heavy monsoon come in I wonder.

    It's questionable apparently :
    More heavy rain could see water levels rise and threaten the air pocket where the group has taken refuge.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44692813

    To make matters worse apparently most of the boys can't swim either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Malayalam wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44692813

    That must have been a weird job description...''Are you a doctor or a nurse, who is also an expert cave diver, prepared to negotiate hazardous underwater conditions, narrow passages, utter darkness, silt and an uncertain forecast of heavy rains that may drastically complicate matters, and willing to take up a residential position alongside 12 children and a coach trapped in a cave, in order to supply medical care and entertainment?'' There can't have been that many with not only the qualifications but also the mindset and yet they found them! :)Anyways there is talk of prosecuting the coach, but I feel sorry for him too, he is only a young chap, and probably just thought at the time it would be great craic for the birthday boy. He has also obviously been the one who has managed to keep them somehow organised and sane during this ordeal.

    Given the ages, was there not parental consent in full knowledge of where they were going.? And his life in danger too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Given the ages, was there not parental consent in full knowledge of where they were going.? And his life in danger too.

    I wouldn't be confident that's how things work in rural Thailand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    I don't know if it would be feasible, but could they use some sort of handheld propeller with a light? It might cut time off the three hours (if it'd really take that long) and it'd help non-swimmer/non-divers. The power mightn't last too long but it'd be better than nothing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,941 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Jesus if there was any way of getting a signal to the Thai navy to just go on the boards.ie message boards, there's a rake of solutions they obviously haven't thought of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    I don't know if it would be feasible, but could they use some sort of handheld propeller with a light? It might cut time off the three hours (if it'd really take that long) and it'd help non-swimmer/non-divers. The power mightn't last too long but it'd be better than nothing.

    hqdefault.jpg

    Does that come with an oxygen pack?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭refusetolose




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam



    Awww, the sweathearts :) They are being so patient and calm. I was told yesterday of 2 friends of a friend who got lost for 3 or 4 days in a cave without light, but the guy has not been mentally the same again yet (it would take about an hour before I would lose my mind in those circumstances!). What it must have been like for these youngsters in those almost 240 hours when they had no idea if help would ever come.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    Ben Reymenants, a Thai-based Belgian diver ... shed some light on how the boys and their coach, Ekkapol Chantawong, 25, ended up in this ghastly situation in the first place.

    It was apparently a local initiation ceremony for boys to run to the end of a cave tunnel and write their name on the wall before running back. While they were all inside, however, a flash flood sealed off the exit forcing the boys to head further into the mountain.

    Armed with a single functioning torch, they managed to reach the spot where they have subsequently been discovered.

    (Daily Mail)

    Seems to me then it was a quite innocent event that led to them being trapped. A local thing that boys did then a flash flood.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Foweva Awone




  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    An ex-Thai Navy Seal has died having run out of oxygen while placing air tanks on the route.

    Once the rains start, they will likely be trapped for four months.

    Supposedly, oxygen levels in their air pocket have been falling so a five kilometre pipe will apparently be installed to provide air.


    Harrowing times for the boys, their families and the rescuers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    AMKC wrote: »
    Why don't they just get a big drill and drill down to them?
    d.

    You've probably heard the answer by now but.

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2018/07/04/lead-foreman-thai-cave-rescue-challenges-live.cnn

    Last 60 seconds or so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    It seems really impossible that they could dive them out - it really seems too treacherous, and especially now that a professional had died. RIP

    And it seems also impossible to bore down to them from that video. Jesus, what a fix. Its like being entombed alive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Earlier jubilation felt during the week is swiftly receding especially with the death of an experienced diver. At least there is still hope.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Since it's now in an utterly desperate situation, full face masks and full sedation with two divers guiding each one out seems plausible.

    The panic the kids will inevitably experience otherwise is going to kill themselves and others.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    Since it's now in an utterly desperate situation, full face masks and full sedation with two divers guiding each one out seems plausible.

    The panic the kids will inevitably experience otherwise is going to kill themselves and others.

    Crikey, that seems difficult with the narrow spaces.
    Just goes to show with all our technical advances we are still at the mercy of nature


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Malayalam wrote: »
    Crikey, that seems difficult with the narrow spaces.
    Just goes to show with all our technical advances we are still at the mercy of nature

    I've only done my PADI but I know the feeling of panic that builds when you're new to it. I was next to two instructors in beautiful water with dozens of metres of visibility. Just myself, my girlfriend and two instructors and I still had periods of hyperventilating thinking of where I was and what I was doing.

    These kids are malnourished, weak and the environment they will be doing this is the worst ever possible in diving. People only dive in these conditions during rescue missions.

    If I were there and sedation so I wouldn't panic was an option, I would absolutely take it. Tie my hands to my sides, tie my feet together and let the professionals attempt to guide me as best they can.



    (if this sounds stupid, fair enough. I'm talking from a total layman's perspective.)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    Could they be safely sedated for 5 to 6 hours.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    backspin. wrote: »
    Could they be safely sedated for 5 to 6 hours.

    I've no idea.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    You've probably heard the answer by now but.

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2018/07/04/lead-foreman-thai-cave-rescue-challenges-live.cnn

    Last 60 seconds or so.


    While he was a bit of an idiot to bring those kids into such a cave, that coach guy is a hero for keeping them together and alive in that place, keeping them moving in those narrow passages, trying to give them hope they will be rescued, comforting them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    I've only done my PADI but I know the feeling of panic that builds when you're new to it. I was next to two instructors in beautiful water with dozens of metres of visibility. Just myself, my girlfriend and two instructors and I still had periods of hyperventilating thinking of where I was and what I was doing.

    These kids are malnourished, weak and the environment they will be doing this is the worst ever possible in diving. People only dive in these conditions during rescue missions.

    If I were there and sedation so I wouldn't panic was an option, I would absolutely take it. Tie my hands to my sides, tie my feet together and let the professionals attempt to guide me as best they can.

    (if this sounds stupid, fair enough. I'm talking from a total layman's perspective.)

    I dont think its too outlandish an idea.
    I cant see how they can dive them out of that place, without serious risk to them and their rescuers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Does that come with an oxygen pack?
    Well, it wouldn't interfere with the oxygen packs they are being provided with, since they'd be on their backs.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well, it wouldn't interfere with the oxygen packs they are being provided with, since they'd be on their backs.

    They're going to be going at half a kilometer an hour. There are tanks set up something like every 25 metres. A motorised thing that could take a person away into the darkness forever in 2 seconds will never be used.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭harr


    It seems some of the passages are narrow enough and not enough room for two people to swim side by side so the boys would have to navigate these parts alone attached to a guide rope so i would imagine sedation is out of the question...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    While he was a bit of an idiot to bring those kids into such a cave, that coach guy is a hero for keeping them together and alive in that place, keeping them moving in those narrow passages, trying to give them hope they will be rescued, comforting them.

    Yeah, what a hero!! There’s already one death on his head, and I doubt it will be the last. I hope justice is served harshly on him if he gets out.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    harr wrote: »
    It seems some of the passages are narrow enough and not enough room for two people to swim side by side so the boys would have to navigate these parts alone attached to a guide rope so i would imagine sedation is out of the question...

    True. If they're winding narrow passages and pulling them while keeping their bodies taut isn't an option, then it's out of the question.
    Yeah, what a hero!! There’s already one death on his head, and I doubt it will be the last. I hope justice is served harshly on him if he gets out.

    Do you know the full story? They didn't walk in that far; They were forced in that far by flash flooding.

    It's just a disaster that will have people like yourself foaming at the mouths for a lynching.


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