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Dairy chit chat II

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  • #9122
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    Pitted 2nd cut today. Unfortunately it is what it is cut 20th May so wasn't a complete disaster. Land to far away unfortunately so couldn’t graze it. Started today using grass as a pure protein source only. Stretching it out big time and just using as a replacement for Soya. Upping cows silage to 15kg a cow with 5kg in parlour and 2 kg maize in mix. Bringing them in 2 hrs before milking and letting them eat. Cows very content. Luckily I have some first cut left over from last year. Hoping to do a third cut if it doesn't come I'll have to cut numbers according to winter feed. Alot will depend on the whole crop harvest.

    We find feeding in the morning after milking simplifies how the day runs. They pick up whatever was missed in the morning after evening milking. Hate locking cows into shed, too many things to go wrong.


  • #9123
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Mooooo wrote:
    It's a situation where all options should be looked at. Depends on everyone's situation but I would view destocking as a last resort and would be viewing every avenue to source feed for the winter first. Destocking at deflated prices and looking to up numbers again can be just as or more expensive as buying in feed. Of course it'll have to be found first


    When I say dropping numbers I mean culling cows that I was going to cull later now. Normally I hold onto a few untill September. Any mastitis cows or not in calf. Poor producers and cows with poor solids. Cows with feet problems etc. Milk recording is invaluable I find in situations like this. Also I'll probably get rid of 3-4 heifers with warts and stop messing around with wart vaccine.


  • #9124
    yewtree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭yewtree


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    When I say dropping numbers I mean culling cows that I was going to cull later now. Normally I hold onto a few untill September. Any mastitis cows or not in calf. Poor producers and cows with poor solids. Cows with feet problems etc. Milk recording is invaluable I find in situations like this. Also I'll probably get rid of 3-4 heifers with warts and stop messing around with wart vaccine.



    I would think this is a very sensible course of action.
    the bottom 5-10% of a lot of herds are rubbish (my own included)
    If this cows are been culled anyway you are not losing much and it won't have any long tern consequences. It can be an incentive to tidy up the herd.
    Large scale culling is probably the very last resort as moo said it can have consequences far beyond the next couple of months


  • #9125
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Burning Tires wrote: »
    I think they should consider culling/selling any animal that has any issue. If they had 5% less mouths to feed for the rest of the year, it might help massively. It looks like David the manager might have that idea if hes condition scoreing and looking at milk test results.
    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    Nobody's calling on anyone to destock, merely suggesting it as one of the easiest ways to help anyone who's definitely going to be short of winter feed improve there situation
    whelan2 wrote: »
    A few months ago when the weather was the opposite of what it is now I got rid of any excess cows it took the pressure off big time. It's up to each individual farmer to do what they think is best in their own situation. No one is telling anyone what to do. I know from dealing with our wet farm what it feels like to not want to go outside and face hungry stock. Very stressful.
    Mooooo wrote: »
    It's a situation where all options should be looked at. Depends on everyone's situation but I would view destocking as a last resort and would be viewing every avenue to source feed for the winter first. Destocking at deflated prices and looking to up numbers again can be just as or more expensive as buying in feed. Of course it'll have to be found first
    ^^^^^^


    Good advice there, folks.


    Pride about numbers of cattle won't pay the bills or feed the cows and cutting numbers has to be on the table as probably the easiest way of reducing pressure. Numbers can always be built up again in a year or two.


    It's definitely top of the list here atm, the only question I have is when I'm going to do it.


  • #9126
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,398 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    whelan2 wrote: »
    A few months ago when the weather was the opposite of what it is now I got rid of any excess cows it took the pressure off big time. It's up to each individual farmer to do what they think is best in their own situation. No one is telling anyone what to do. I know from dealing with our wet farm what it feels like to not want to go outside and face hungry stock. Very stressful.

    I had a reply written before and sent but must have got lost in the either.

    Anyways the jist of it was that at least you get the situation on the ground and are not looking for the quick digs like other posters. You have some compassion or is there a quota on that here now.

    The destocking probably was a misuse I probably should have said reduction although with my own farm destocking wouldn't be very hard to do.

    I think most farms don't carry "passengers" anyway. It's easy make the headlines with that statement but from here on most farms any reductions will be prime stock at reduced figures.

    You say no one is telling anyone what to do. Well you had Mahoney telling another poster to cut numbers and Mahoney saying that Greenfield's will have to cut numbers now with all these increased weather events as he put it.

    Ironically enough the site in Greenfield's was chosen many moons ago because of it's favourable conditions for Ireland's climate. It's been a sort of business up to now.

    Weather might be forgotten in years to come but human sentiments will never be forgotten. I'd always class sentiment over everything. But maybe that's just myself.

    Edit: news just in I've gotten access to silage from 40 miles away. But needs must. That's a lot of pressure off for now.


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  • #9127
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Mod note: Cut it out! Now! No more warnings.

    Folks, we've given you the benefit of the doubt up to now but any more of that silly sideswiping of each other will be attracting cards like flies to a cow****.


    Buford T. Justice.


  • #9128
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,398 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Mod note: Cut it out! Now! No more warnings.

    Folks, we've given you the benefit of the doubt up to now but any more of that silly sideswiping of each other will be attracting cards like flies to a cow****.


    Buford T. Justice.

    Fair enough. But enforce it this time.


  • #9129
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    For people that are short of fodder and are farming in tillage areas, it would be worth considering negotiating a deal with your friendly neighbors...they will be planting cc after wbarley, osr and wwheat.
    Moha, alexandria clover, squarrosum clover etc. could be planted immediately after the straw is cleared. These will grow extremely well because there’s still plenty moisture in the soil for those to thrive.
    3-5tdm/ha easily achieved...and up to 20% protein.


  • #9130
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    For people that are short of fodder and are farming in tillage areas, it would be worth considering negotiating a deal with your friendly neighbors...they will be planting cc after wbarley, osr and wwheat.
    Moha, alexandria clover, squarrosum clover etc. could be planted immediately after the straw is cleared. These will grow extremely well because there’s still plenty moisture in the soil for those to thrive.
    3-5tdm/ha easily achieved...and up to 20% protein.

    What time frame could those be harvested, or is it a case of outwintering?


  • #9131
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Mooooo wrote: »
    What time frame could those be harvested, or is it a case of outwintering?

    Two months.
    When you’re finished planting, book the contractor for two months hence. Very reliable cc.


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  • #9132
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Say my name wrote: »
    Fair enough. But enforce it this time.
    Moderation on the forum was decided with the posters input a number of years ago. Tbh, it works well except in a few circumstances.



    It's not in my remit to decide the moderation policy on the forum, just to carry out the decisions from a few years ago.



    If you want to discuss moderation here, your first stop should be the Cmods where you can discuss where you feel the moderation isn't up to standard and the options open to you from there.


    What I will say, however, is from that feedback thread, it was decided to treat posters as adults(for want of a better term), and use persuasion and discussion as a means to return the discussion back on track before issuing any infractions to posters. Personally, I would be reluctant to leave that policy behind but that's a decision for others to make.


    TL;DR? Take it to Cmods.


  • #9133
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,748 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Anyone scan yet. Have scanner from icbf coming on Tuesday to scan the sexed seamen trial ones


  • #9134
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Anyone scan yet. Have scanner from icbf coming on Tuesday to scan the sexed seamen trial ones
    Looking through my insemination list, I had 10 cows inseminated with sexed semen. Should be interesting to see the pregnancy rate from them.


  • #9135
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,748 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Moderation on the forum was decided with the posters input a number of years ago. Tbh, it works well except in a few circumstances.



    It's not in my remit to decide the moderation policy on the forum, just to carry out the decisions from a few years ago.



    If you want to discuss moderation here, your first stop should be the Cmods where you can discuss where you feel the moderation isn't up to standard and the options open to you from there.


    What I will say, however, is from that feedback thread, it was decided to treat posters as adults(for want of a better term), and use persuasion and discussion as a means to return the discussion back on track before issuing any infractions to posters. Personally, I would be reluctant to leave that policy behind but that's a decision for others to make.


    TL;DR? Take it to Cmods.

    I think it works well. Is there somewhere we can read the rules of the forum. I used to get annoyed at posts on here and closed my account. Boards is not the be all and end all of everything. If someone doesn't agree with your opinion, so what. There's plenty more to life than posting on an anonymous forum


  • #9136
    whelan2
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    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Looking through my insemination list, I had 10 cows inseminated with sexed semen. Should be interesting to see the pregnancy rate from them.

    I have 60. I said some have repeated. She said she has to scan the 60 of them. Will report the results back here on Tuesday


  • #9137
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    whelan2 wrote: »
    I think it works well. Is there somewhere we can read the rules of the forum. I used to get annoyed at posts on here and closed my account. Boards is not the be all and end all of everything. If someone doesn't agree with your opinion, so what. There's plenty more to life than posting on an anonymous forum
    It's a sticky on the main forum page but it's difficult to find on mobile. The link below takes you to it.


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057309495


  • #9138
    straight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭straight


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Looking through my insemination list, I had 10 cows inseminated with sexed semen. Should be interesting to see the pregnancy rate from them.

    I've 6 cows done with sexed semen. Ive been getting around the 50 % success rate with them last couple of years.


  • #9139
    Keepgrowing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Keepgrowing


    whelan2 wrote: »
    I have 60. I said some have repeated. She said she has to scan the 60 of them. Will report the results back here on Tuesday

    Be interesting to compare notes. Our trial group are being scanned next week also.


  • #9140
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Over how many years are they going thru the trial? From lads I've spoken to it's nearly year to year the conception rates can vary, which they suggest was different batches having differing quality


  • #9141
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Over how many years are they going thru the trial? From lads I've spoken to it's nearly year to year the conception rates can vary, which they suggest was different batches having differing quality
    The last large scale trial, they found different bulls had hugely different conception rates with sexed semen, between 40% and right up to normal conception rates.


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  • #9142
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Say my name wrote: »

    Edit: news just in I've gotten access to silage from 40 miles away. But needs must. That's a lot of pressure off for now.

    How will you draw home that? Was plenty of stuff down there in cushinstown I could have took but draw was too far for me. Might regret it in time to come


  • #9143
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Anyone scan yet. Have scanner from icbf coming on Tuesday to scan the sexed seamen trial ones

    No, won't be till nearer September. Touch wood it's looking very promising so far. Week 11 here on Friday and we'll pull the plug next Friday. Breeding season seems to have flown by here this year


  • #9144
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    There is an agri workforce conference thing in inthe Radisson blu cork on Tues. I think it's thru teagasc to register if anyone is interested


  • #9145
    farisfat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭farisfat


    Dose anyone know the cost of production per litre for a indoor system on silage and meal.


  • #9146
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    farisfat wrote: »
    Dose anyone know the cost of production per litre for a indoor system on silage and meal.

    A few more weeks of this and most of us will know it to the penny!


  • #9147
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,704 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    kowtow wrote: »
    A few more weeks of this and most of us will know it to the penny!

    Ain’t gonna take weeks !!!!!


  • #9148
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Am sitting beside a hospice bed in the UK this afternoon and after sunny skies all morning we have just had an absolute deluge of thundery rain, must be the best part of an inch fallen and the major road outside pretty much flooded.

    Back late tonight for milking, only wish I could be bringing the rain with me.


  • #9149
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    farisfat wrote:
    Dose anyone know the cost of production per litre for a indoor system on silage and meal.


    All depends on silage quality. Need to feed more and higher protein if silage is average. Excellent quality silage will produce milk with 6-8kg of a good quality 18% plus protein nut in the parlour.


  • #9150
    farisfat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭farisfat


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    All depends on silage quality. Need to feed more and higher protein if silage is average. Excellent quality silage will produce milk with 6-8kg of a good quality 18% plus protein nut in the parlour.

    And a robot to do the milking.


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  • #9151
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,398 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Moderation on the forum was decided with the posters input a number of years ago. Tbh, it works well except in a few circumstances.



    It's not in my remit to decide the moderation policy on the forum, just to carry out the decisions from a few years ago.



    If you want to discuss moderation here, your first stop should be the Cmods where you can discuss where you feel the moderation isn't up to standard and the options open to you from there.


    What I will say, however, is from that feedback thread, it was decided to treat posters as adults(for want of a better term), and use persuasion and discussion as a means to return the discussion back on track before issuing any infractions to posters. Personally, I would be reluctant to leave that policy behind but that's a decision for others to make.


    TL;DR? Take it to Cmods.

    Yea myself and Mahoney, Buford cracked heads open by private message and you'll know now we've reached an accord and have absolutely no ill feelings towards each other.

    It's no harm to keep the mods on their toes too Buford.
    We're all human.


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