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So who's going to see the Pope?

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  • #752
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Priests and single people can know about family life but having children and being actively involved in the raising of those children is going to give you an insight into it you never would have gotten otherwise.

    But family life isn't only about raising children. That's the mistake people like you make. You have this limited and non inclusive view of family life. Hardly broad minded.

    Also there are many people raising children who are doing it very badly indeed. Yet people like you would consider them more capable of giving advice on child rearing than people who have worked with young children in schools, at parish activities, have been very involved with and close to young nieces and nephews.

    There are very few people who are experts on raising children well in every way and aspect. But lots of people have a particular view or angle to bring to the table, whether they're parents or not. 'It takes a village to raise a child' is actually a very wise saying, in my view.


  • #753
    Benjamin Buttons
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭Benjamin Buttons


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    They've studied to become a Catholic priest and therefore I would consider them an expert in matters relating to the provision of moral and spiritual guidance for Catholics.





    If I was having a laugh, I'd have told you a joke, but here's one:


    A young man from Cavan called Ciaran finds himself in dire trouble. His farm has gone bust and he's in serious financial trouble. He's so desperate that he decides to ask God for help. He goes into the Church and begins to pray...........

    "God, please help me, I've lost my Farm and if don't get some money, I'm going to lose my house as well, please let me win the lotto".

    Lotto night comes and somebody else wins it.
    Ciaran goes back to the Church.....................

    "God, please let me win the lotto, I've lost my farm, my house and I'm going to lose my tractor as well".

    Lotto night comes and Ciaran still has no luck!!
    Back to the Church.................

    "My God, why have you forsaken me?? I've lost my Farm, my house, my tractor and my wife and 17 children are starving. I don't often ask you for help and I have always been a good servant to you. Why won't you just let me win the lotto this one time so I can get my life back in order???".

    Suddenly there is a blinding flash of light as the heavens open and Ciaran is confronted by the voice of GOD himself:

    "Ciaran, MEET ME HALF WAY ON THIS ONE, BUY A F**KING TICKET".

    Still think the one about expertise in 'spiritual guidance' is far funnier than the above.


  • #754
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Baylee Angry Kneecap wrote: »
    But family life isn't only about raising children. That's the mistake people like you make. You have this limited and non inclusive view of family life. Hardly broad minded.

    Also there are many people raising children who are doing it very badly indeed. Yet people like you would consider them more capable of giving advice on child rearing than people who have worked with young children in schools, at parish activities, have been very involved with and close to young nieces and nephews.

    There are very few people who are experts on raising children well in every way and aspect. But lots of people have a particular view or angle to bring to the table, whether they're parents or not. 'It takes a village to raise a child' is actually a very wise saying, in my view.

    The village raises our children, we spend time with their cousins, their aunts and uncles and grandparents, we talk to their friends and friends' parents, they play with their local teams, they go to their Girl Guides, do their music lessons and art lessons, we talk to their teachers about how they are getting on and we take advice from all around us. The priest wouldn't get a look in because I wouldn't value his judgement when it comes to family matters. Call me narrow minded if you want in that regard, it's not going to change my opinion on the matter.


  • #755
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Baylee Angry Kneecap wrote: »
    But family life isn't only about raising children. That's the mistake people like you make. You have this limited and non inclusive view of family life. Hardly broad minded.

    So anyone who is not religious is a bad parent?

    Baylee Angry Kneecap wrote: »
    Also there are many people raising children who are doing it very badly indeed.

    Are those the non religious ones that don’t have any interaction with a priest?

    Baylee Angry Kneecap wrote: »
    Yet people like you would consider them more capable of giving advice on child rearing than people who have worked with young children in schools, at parish activities, have been very involved with and close to young nieces and nephews.

    I thought this was about religion and priests and not teachers etc. The horizon is expanding beyond sight now!

    Baylee Angry Kneecap wrote: »
    There are very few people who are experts on raising children well in every way and aspect. But lots of people have a particular view or angle to bring to the table, whether they're parents or not. 'It takes a village to raise a child' is actually a very wise saying, in my view.

    So how is a priest going to help me raise my child? Maybe I’m missing something.


  • #756
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    The village raises our children, we spend time with their cousins, their aunts and uncles and grandparents, we talk to their friends and friends' parents, they play with their local teams, they go to their Girl Guides, do their music lessons and art lessons, we talk to their teachers about how they are getting on and we take advice from all around us. The priest wouldn't get a look in because I wouldn't value his judgement when it comes to family matters. Call me narrow minded if you want in that regard, it's not going to change my opinion on the matter.

    Fair enough and if there's a specific priest or even lay person whose views you wouldn't respect on child rearing that's understandable.

    But dismissing anyone who hasn't had children and saying 'what to they know about family life' as some people do is narrow minded and deliberately excluding whole swathes of people from a set up that is about far more than just children.


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  • #757
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    So anyone who is not religious is a bad parent?




    Are those the non religious ones that don’t have any interaction with a priest?




    I thought this was about religion and priests and not teachers etc. The horizon is expanding beyond sight now!




    So how is a priest going to help me raise my child? Maybe I’m missing something.

    Yes, that must be it.


  • #758
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    So anyone who is not religious is a bad parent?




    Are those the non religious ones that don’t have any interaction with a priest?




    I thought this was about religion and priests and not teachers etc. The horizon is expanding beyond sight now!




    So how is a priest going to help me raise my child? Maybe I’m missing something.

    :confused:


  • #759
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,203 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    So anyone who is not religious is a bad parent?


    "So what you're saying is..." :pac:


  • #760
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Baylee Angry Kneecap wrote: »
    Fair enough and if there's a specific priest or even lay person whose views you wouldn't respect on child rearing that's understandable.

    But dismissing anyone who hasn't had children and saying 'what to they know about family life' as some people do is narrow minded and deliberately excluding whole swathes of people from a set up that is about far more than just children.

    Every Wednesday, my mother had two friends call to the house and while my mother tried to get us terrors to bed, the friend that had no children at the time would loudly tell my mother how she was doing it wrong and how if they were her children, they would be up in bed straight away and be asleep within minutes with no back and forth. She adopted a child later when we had grown past our wilder ways and had to concede to our mother that she was talking out of her hole.

    I'm always reminded of that story now that I have my own children. She couldn't fully empathise with the situation because she had no practical real-world experience about it in any way, shape or form, be it personal or professional. It would be like me going up to my next door neighbour and telling her how she should be raising their two autistic children.

    I'm not going to dismiss all single, childless people but unless they have professional training or experience with children, they are going to have very little to offer you when it comes to advice when it comes to raising children and they're not really going to be able to empathise with your situation. Nor would I ever expect them.


  • #761
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Every Wednesday, my mother had two friends call to the house and while my mother tried to get us terrors to bed, the friend that had no children at the time would loudly tell my mother how she was doing it wrong and how if they were her children, they would be up in bed straight away and be asleep within minutes with no back and forth. She adopted a child later when we had grown past our wilder ways and had to concede to our mother that she was talking out of her hole.

    I'm always reminded of that story now that I have my own children. She couldn't fully empathise with the situation because she had no practical real-world experience about it in any way, shape or form, be it personal or professional. It would be like me going up to my next door neighbour and telling her how she should be raising their two autistic children.

    I'm not going to dismiss all single, childless people but unless they have professional training or experience with children, they are going to have very little to offer you when it comes to advice when it comes to raising children and they're not really going to be able to empathise with your situation. Nor would I ever expect them.


    What's any of that to do with the thread, are you going to see the pope or not?:confused:


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  • #762
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    What's any of that to do with the thread, are you going to see the pope or not?:confused:

    No, I'm not…

    And you're right. It's dragging the thread off course. I'll leave it at that.


  • #763
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,203 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    What's any of that to do with the thread, are you going to see the pope or not?:confused:


    To be fair, it's entirely relevant to the thread, as the tickets in question are for the final mass at the World Meeting of Families. It's a very specific example I grant you, but I did admit from my very first reply that contrary to their opinion, being a parent to a child in and of itself does not confer any insight into parenting or family life. It would only give the parent in question insight into how to raise their own child according to their values, morals, beliefs or world view. In the case of the WMOF, that view is from a Catholic perspective of family life.


  • #764
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    You're ripping things out of context there nozz. Kunst's point was that priests wouldn't really be in any position to give advice with regard to raising children, and my point was that there was nothing precluding them from giving such advice, and certainly not by virtue of the fact that they weren't parents themselves.

    Not taking ANYTHING out of context no. I was addressing directly the comparison between priests and surgeons.

    Your comparison was based on the idea that it would be ridiculous to suggest a surgeon could not be trusted with a hip operation having never had one themselves.

    The suggestion being that a priest never having had a wife and children himself does not mean he is precluded from being capable of offering advice on the subject.

    Which I agree with. It does not. But you then went on to talk about how priests "observe" families in their own and other cultures, and my point is this renders the comparison ridiculous. Because you likely WOULD NOT trust a surgeon to perform a hip operation if his expertise was upon interacting with people who themselves had had one.

    In other words personal experience has NOTHING to do with it, in either case. Or at least it should not. Interacting with people who are in families, does not qualify you to offer useful advice on the subject any more than interacting with people who have had hip operations qualifies you to perform one yourself.

    In BOTH cases what should be relevant when evaluating how credibly one can take the skills being offered (whether family counselling, or hip operations) is not personal experience of being in a family or having had a hip operation, or having interacted with people who have either............. but on what study and qualifications and learning the person in question has received to do either of these things.

    I would say Kunst's issue therefore revolves not solely around the priest lacking the relevant personal experience to give such advice. But that he lacks that experience AND everything else that might qualify him to offer such advice. As such you would probably be better off asking a random joe soap off the street for such advice given they are likely to be in such a family, where a priest is not.

    So it is not that the priest lacks personal experience and so he has got nothing. Rather he has got nothing anyway AND to compound that he ALSO lacks the relevant personal experience too which might mediate his otherwise having nothing.

    And comparing ANY of that to a surgeon is where it got ridiculous because perhaps the surgeon does lack the experience of having had a hip operation, but he has all the training, qualifications and tried and tested industry standards behind him to do his job. The priest is just a guy. A guy you claim may have interacted with some people, some time, on some stuff.

    The comparison is, was and remains ridiculous. And none of the rebuttal to it is "out of context" as you falsely claim.
    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    However, just as I would not visit my priest to ask him to perform hip surgery, I wouldn't visit my orthopaedic consultant for moral and spiritual guidance.

    Well we were talking about giving specifically family advice. So I guess speak for yourself. The two of them have the same qualifications to give advice on the subject (that is to say: none) but at least one of them is likely to have relevant direct experience (the surgeon). So if I was going to randomly ask someone for family advice, and I was presented with two options neither of whom have any training or qualifications on the subject, then I would personally choose the one who actually had some experience.

    NEITHER of them are experts in that field, the priest or the surgeon, but at least one of them has SOME first hand experience.
    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    You didn't understand the comparison so you think it's invalid. You're probably acutely aware by now that your opinion is worth nothing to me, which renders anything you have to say on the matter, invalid.

    As I have explained to you many times in the past, not agreeing with you != not understanding you. Though I reckon you merely made the error again in order to slip in a pointless personal comment like the one above. However what you appear to NOT be acutely aware of by now, despite me telling you multiple times, when I express my opinion in your direction like here I am not doing it to you, for you, or for your benefit anyway.

    However your last words there are false. An opinion meaning nothing to YOU does not render what I say invalid. Invalid TO YOU maybe, but not invalid in and of itself. Where did you get the idea that an opinion on a subject is rendered invalid if it has no value to YOU? What a weirdly egotistical and arrogant thing to proclaim.
    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    They've studied to become a Catholic priest and therefore I would consider them an expert in matters relating to the provision of moral and spiritual guidance for Catholics.

    You have run off with the goal posts here though as "matters relating to the provision of moral and spiritual guidance for Catholics" was not what was being discussed AT ALL in this thread of the conversation. The original root of the current conversation was about families, having children, and the stresses and strains of that. And the priest giving advice on such a subject when he has no experience of it.

    It was nothing to do with "spiritual guidance" or Catholic beliefs.


  • #765
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    No, I'm not…

    And you're right. It's dragging the thread off course. I'll leave it at that.

    Why are so many people being civil towards me:mad: I'm used to posters (particularly the atheists) trying to insult me!


  • #766
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,203 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    As I have explained to you many times in the past, not agreeing with you != not understanding you. Though I reckon you merely made the error again in order to slip in a pointless personal comment like the one above. However what you appear to NOT be acutely aware of by now, despite me telling you multiple times, when I express my opinion in your direction like here I am not doing it to you, for you, or for your benefit anyway.


    I know, what you're doing is called soapboxing, preaching to the converted as it were.

    Good for you.

    However your last words there are false. An opinion meaning nothing to YOU does not render what I say invalid. Invalid TO YOU maybe, but not invalid in and of itself. Where did you get the idea that an opinion on a subject is rendered invalid if it has no value to YOU? What a weirdly egotistical and arrogant thing to proclaim.


    Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black :pac:


  • #767
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    And Scots!

    Naww, their too busy peeling oranges in their pockets to be able to spare another hand to get tickets


  • #768
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Well that was a reply to pretty much nothing I wrote.
    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I know, what you're doing is called soapboxing, preaching to the converted as it were. Good for you.

    Nope. But once again you go psychic (while projecting that on to others) rather than ask people what their motivations and agendas are.

    All too often when it suits you, rather than ask people why they do something you simply presume to tell them why they are doing it. On this thread for example you decided peoples motivations were just "spite" rather than actually asking them.

    And here you do it again, presuming (falsely) that I want to soapbox to the converted rather than actually asking me why I do it. Were I to be asked, I would answer, entirely openly and honestly.
    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black :pac:

    Not at all really, but you do contrive to project on occasion. The only one who goes personal here is you. It was uncalled for, but you never miss an opportunity to do it.


  • #769
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    So tasteful

    DhAoYyrW4AICVds.jpg


  • #770
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    Will be interesting to see how many Irish go to see him. The people who will care and comment most will be Atheists.


  • #771
    FingerDeKat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 219 ✭✭FingerDeKat


    ^^creepy fukker


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  • #772
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭mikeym


    I wish I could go but the tickets were all snapped up :eek::(:D


  • #773
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Tickets still available. Can’t even give them away.

    So all the moaning about denying people tickets looks to be a load of bollocks.


  • #774
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    When is the asshole going?


  • #775
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    mikeym wrote:
    I wish I could go but the tickets were all snapped up


    Nah, still 20,000 left.


  • #776
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Nah, still 20,000 left.

    The tickets for Knock were all snapped up, not the Mass ones.


  • #777
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Graces7 wrote: »
    The tickets for Knock were all snapped up, not the Mass ones.

    It kind of proves that most in Ireland are cultural Catholics. Couldn’t even be arsed turning up for a once in a lifetime opportunity to see their leader say mass.


  • #778
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Graces7 wrote:
    The tickets for Knock were all snapped up, not the Mass ones.


    Is there 20 k available Yes or No?


  • #779
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Is there 20 k available Yes or No?

    :eek:
    Expecting an answer?


  • #780
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Fighting Tao wrote:
    Expecting an answer?


    No, not really. She normally drops a one liner and disappears again.


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  • #781
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Is there 20 k available Yes or No?

    If they say so..and manners please!


  • #782
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    No, not really. She normally drops a one liner and disappears again.

    Patience, grasshopper! If it needs an answer..


  • #783
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    So who's going?


    Dear ELM327,We are contacting you about your registration for tickets for the World Meeting of Families Closing Mass in Phoenix Park on Sunday 26 August.
    Tickets are now issuing on 10 August
    We had planned to email all tickets by 31 July but we were unable to do so due to the large number of people who have indicated to us that they intend to travel to the event by car. The available infrastructure in Dublin cannot cater for all those who have indicated that they are coming by car.
    We have delayed the issue of tickets to 10 August so as we can finalise the colour coded routes based on the information we have received about where those attending are coming from.
    Changing your mode of transport
    You have indicated that you are coming from ### and you are travelling by Bus Éireann Services.
    Thank you for choosing this mode of transport. You will get closer to the Mass by using Public Transport and you will be shortening your walk. Dublin Bus, Luas and DART services are free once on Sunday 26 August once you show your Mass Ticket. You will not be able to drive to or close to the Phoenix Park.
    For those travelling from outside Dublin using Public Transport: Please book your seat
    We understand from public transport operators (including Bus Eireann, Irish Rail and Translink) that a lot of people have yet to formally book their ticket on rail or bus. Given the large volumes of people travelling to this event, we urge you to book your ticket now to ensure you can travel on the day.
    Please rest assured that and you will receive your print@home tickets via email in plenty of time for the Final Mass.
    Your order code is #### . Your ‘print at home’ ticket, when issued, will include your colour route into and out of the Phoenix Park.
    Thanks for your patience,
    World Meeting of Families.


  • #784
    The Satanist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 693 ✭✭✭The Satanist


    I am looking forward to this *polishes rifle*


  • #785
    nim1bdeh38l2cw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭nim1bdeh38l2cw


    I got the same email, indicated I was walking from Donegal. I'd better leave soon.... :pac:


  • #786
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Saw him in the Vatican when I was on holidays in Rome. Was Sunday morning so we went down for a wander and ended up about six foot from him in St Peter's Square when he went by on the pope-mobile.

    That was enough pope for one lifetime for me I reckon.


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  • #787
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    The Satanist wrote: »
    I am looking forward to this *polishes rifle*

    Ah now.
    What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander! Please show the same respect that people showed for Be'elzebub when he did that big black mass in Dublin that time.


  • #788
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Gunnar Jolly Windstorm wrote: »
    I got the same email, indicated I was walking from Donegal. I'd better leave soon.... :pac:

    Sedia gestatoria for the win :)

    Scrap the cap!



  • #789
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    It kind of proves that most in Ireland are cultural Catholics. Couldn’t even be arsed turning up for a once in a lifetime opportunity to see their leader say mass.

    Not at all. Why do you think that ? Why such contemptuous language ?

    I know many here , who will be there and who live in Knock. People of deep, quiet faith.

    See

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2018/0801/982349-pope-mass-phoenix-park/


  • #790
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    ELM327 wrote: »
    So who's going?


    Dear ELM327,We are contacting you about your registration for tickets for the World Meeting of Families Closing Mass in Phoenix Park on Sunday 26 August.
    Tickets are now issuing on 10 August
    We had planned to email all tickets by 31 July but we were unable to do so due to the large number of people who have indicated to us that they intend to travel to the event by car. The available infrastructure in Dublin cannot cater for all those who have indicated that they are coming by car.
    We have delayed the issue of tickets to 10 August so as we can finalise the colour coded routes based on the information we have received about where those attending are coming from.
    Changing your mode of transport
    You have indicated that you are coming from ### and you are travelling by Bus Éireann Services.
    Thank you for choosing this mode of transport. You will get closer to the Mass by using Public Transport and you will be shortening your walk. Dublin Bus, Luas and DART services are free once on Sunday 26 August once you show your Mass Ticket. You will not be able to drive to or close to the Phoenix Park.
    For those travelling from outside Dublin using Public Transport: Please book your seat
    We understand from public transport operators (including Bus Eireann, Irish Rail and Translink) that a lot of people have yet to formally book their ticket on rail or bus. Given the large volumes of people travelling to this event, we urge you to book your ticket now to ensure you can travel on the day.
    Please rest assured that and you will receive your print@home tickets via email in plenty of time for the Final Mass.
    Your order code is #### . Your ‘print at home’ ticket, when issued, will include your colour route into and out of the Phoenix Park.
    Thanks for your patience,
    World Meeting of Families.

    You realise you're pretty much bullying people who would like to go. Remind me to never engage with you again on this site.


  • #791
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    You realise you're pretty much bullying people who would like to go. Remind me to never engage with you again on this site.

    How is he bullying people would like to go? :confused:

    He's just showing the email he got in relation to the event. Bloody hell, people will be offended by anything…


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  • #792
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    How is bullying people would like to go? :confused:

    He's just showing the email he got in relation to the event. Bloody hell, people will be offended by anything…

    Do I really need to explain it to you? They're buying tickets to purposely deprive others who would like to go. I better stay away from this thread anyway. I got banned the last time because these nasty people were annoying me so much


  • #793
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Do I really need to explain it to you? They're buying tickets to purposely deprive others who would like to go. I better stay away from this thread anyway. I got banned the last time because these nasty people were annoying me so much

    ELM327 hasn't given any indication that he registered tickets to deprive others and is merely sharing the information he got. I don't know how you made that leap.

    Edit: I've looked back over his posts and seen he's being a dick ordering tickets he has no intention of using. Fair enough.


  • #794
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭optogirl


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Do I really need to explain it to you? They're buying tickets to purposely deprive others who would like to go. I better stay away from this thread anyway. I got banned the last time because these nasty people were annoying me so much

    There are shedloads of tickets for this - while I don't mind people using buying up tickets as a protest, I would worry that the media will use that as an excuse as to why f*** all people show up instead of acknowledging that the RCC 's time is up in this country.


  • #795
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Not at all. Why do you think that ? Why such contemptuous language ?

    I know many here , who will be there and who live in Knock. People of deep, quiet faith.

    See

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2018/0801/982349-pope-mass-phoenix-park/

    I don’t think it. It’s the truth. The majority of catholics in Ireland are now cultural. Others can’t be arsed going to mass and won’t be arsed going to see the pope.

    A large portion of the crowd will be tourists. Coming to Ireland to see the pope.

    The Catholic Church in Ireland is on life support at the moment. No loca priests. Actually not even enough imported priests to keep many churches open. The died hard congregation is dying off. Younger people are only catholics to get their children into schools.

    It’s great because once the power to discriminate for school enrolment is gone then there will be very few cultural catholics apart from the ones where the mammy or daddy forces their children to be recorded as Catholic on the census.

    Ireland is great. It is finally letting the Catholic Church die off and become completely insignificant and have no influence. I love Ireland for it


  • #796
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Do I really need to explain it to you? They're buying tickets to purposely deprive others who would like to go. I better stay away from this thread anyway. I got banned the last time because these nasty people were annoying me so much

    No one is buying tickets. No one at all. How is that still being said on this thread?


  • #797
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    optogirl wrote: »
    I would worry that the media will use that as an excuse as to why f*** all people show up instead of acknowledging that the RCC 's time is up in this country.

    That's the problem I have with this form of protest as well…

    I grew up in a very orthodox Catholic family and I have no love for the religion. I've been an atheist all my adult life but I'd be loathe to stop anyone practicing their religion when it doesn't affect me personally. For me that's suppression of freedom of expression.


  • #798
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    optogirl wrote: »
    There are shedloads of tickets for this - while I don't mind people using buying up tickets as a protest, I would worry that the media will use that as an excuse as to why f*** all people show up instead of acknowledging that the RCC 's time is up in this country.

    Yes, because the media are so warm towards the Church. Do we live in the same country? Don't worry, the media will be on the side of the blue haired virtue signallers protesting.


  • #799
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    kunst nugget wrote:
    I grew up in a very orthodox Catholic family and I have no love for the religion. I've been an atheist all my adult life but I'd be loathe to stop anyone practicing their religion when it doesn't affect me personally. For me that's suppression of freedom of expression.


    How is anyone being stopped from practicing their religion... please do tell?


  • #800
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    How is anyone being stopped from practicing their religion... please do tell?

    They want to see the head of their religion, people are being petty by blocking them from getting tickets to go see him. To some, the visit would be a major thing for them in terms of their faith. It makes no difference to anyone else. Why would you feel the need to block people from going to it?


  • #801
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,729 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    How is anyone being stopped from practicing their religion... please do tell?

    Because of people like you grabbing up tickets to prevent believers from meeting their spiritual leader and practising their faith in the form of a mass.


    Dress it up anyway you want, you are stopping people from expressing their faith.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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