Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

Kevhog1988 · 01-07-2018 10:23AM

Bunny Colvin wrote:

Aidan was playing a lot deeper. It would have been a hell of a lot worse if he wasn't there today.

He had 2/3 chances to kick points from 25 yards out and hand passed elsewhere rather than take the shot. I think hes not as mobile as he used to be. Looks a lot heavier

Fr Tod Umptious · 01-07-2018 10:29AM

I'd say the following will retire.

Higgins (to play more hurling)
Cafferkey
Andy Moran
Barry Moran

The following will have a reduced role
Boyle
Vaughan
Seamus O Shea
McLaughlin

Parsons really depends on how the rehab goes.

Off the top of my head that leaves the following
Clarke
Hennelly
Harrison
O Donoughe
Keegan
P Durcan
D. O Connor
Aiden O Shea
Coen
Doherty
Loftus
Regan
C. O Connor
J. Durcan
Hanley

Thats the core of next year's team, most of them are still young, and by the looks of that you would have to be adding at least one new player at every line.
How Regan and Loftus end up I don't know, whether Hanly or James Durcan flurish I don't know either but we will have to start finding out.

Who are the other up and coming players in Mayo, they won a minor or and u21 recently, has that well been well and truly tapped at this stage ?

I remember listening with disappointment to the league preview podcast this year and the players they were talking aboit being used to freshen up the team were, Barry Moran, Jason Gibbons and Kevin Keane, all guys we knew who for one or another had be out of the panel.
But no one young or new.

I'm not sure if the manager has to change, a new manager is more likely to make changes and they would have no sense of loyality to existing players.

seligehgit · 01-07-2018 10:44AM

Not much more can be added to what's already been so eloquently expressed by so many posters.

Truly heartbreaking,I am so gutted for those players.Like all Mayo supporters I truly hoped that some of the more longer serving players would get over the line.It does seem in some ways the end of an era.Simply can't comprehend the nonsense posted that put at it's most simplistic we celebrate losers.Nothing can be further from the truth.However we are aware that everybody can't win in sport and these lads are invariably one or other of our neighbours who spill blood on the pitch to best themselves and attain a celtic cross medal.It's perplexing that some would want us to slaughter our county men who play for no financial reward.Constructive criticism is valid.

So like many posters I can't express my gratitude sufficiently for the wonderful years we've had such 2011.Oh what might have been.Heck if that makes us gallant losers so be it,that what supporting one's team through thick and thin is what it's all about.

Yet again I couldn't get my head around Ger Cafferkey starting at full back while as fine a prospect as Eoin O Donoghue was on the sideline.When isolated inside he was exposed for his lack of pace.I can't remember an occasion when Lee Keegan had a lesser impact on a contest.Stephen Coen will be disappointed with performance after a bright start.He'd an average season overall.

Although the ball inside at times to Andy was less than optimum he struggled to his lack of pace yet to his credit he continued to take the shot on.I thought Conor Loftus should have entered the fray at half time.

Some crucial wides when we went two up but all credit to Kildare they dominated the middle when the game was there for the winning.Unfortunately some of David Clarke's kickouts went astray.

Management were very very slow to make changes.I was disappointed they showed such a lack of faith in their bench.Donie should have come in much earlier for Colm Boyle.Not entirely what became of Shane Nally this year.

The positives:

Paddy Durcan's tour de force.

Aidan O Shea oft criticised but yet again put in a great hour,it seemed at times as though he very isolated in the middle.He had one opportunity in the first half to take a shot on.

Well done to Diarmuid,we may well have found ourselves a realistic option for midfield.Doc so underrated and Kevin Mc gave it their all.Cillian was imperious with his freetaking except for that first half free that was outside of his range.He didn't contribute a lot from general play.

I thought this season we were much looser defensively and Keith Higgins was very vulnerable when run at,at pace.Colm Boyle seemed very leggy this season.

It seemed with all the injuries for Lee,Brendan,Seamie,Tom,Donie and Barry the gods were conspiring against us.

Who's going to call it a day?Possible candidates:

David Clarke
Keith Higgins
Colm Boyle
Seamie O Shea
Andy Moran

Hopefully Tom Parsons can make it back into the squad.

Time for a major rebuild,a major step up for James Durcan,Cian Hanley,Eoin O Donoghue,Conor Loftus.

Only time will tell whither these lads and those on the development panel have what it takes to replace what's gone before.There appears to be oodles of talent coming through in Westport which hopefully will be honed under the tutelage of James Horan.I've no doubt he wants another crack at the top job into the future.

In the interim I'm going to throw all my weight behind the under 20 team.Hopefully we'll end up with some silverware this year.

irishgeo · 01-07-2018 10:49AM

The defence was very loose this year.

TCDStudent1 · 01-07-2018 10:50AM

[QUOTE=Bunny Colvin;107398928]Andy done alright today. He missed a couple of easy ones though but was still winning plenty of ball without much support at times. I don't know if he'll go again tbh but he probably could do another year.

Rochford's biggest mistake today was starting Andy and Boyler. They played last week and were always going to struggle in a high intensity game with that humidity. Loftus and Eoin O'D could have started. Andy and Boyler coming on for the last 25 minutes would have given us a big lift and they would have been fresh against tiring bodies. Hindsight is 20/20 but I couldn't help think that ten minutes in.

Regarding Rochford, I'm happy enough with the job he's done but I think fresh management and ideas would be beneficial for the squad. Fair play to him, he's usually got things right from the sideline and was never afraid to mix things up depending on the opposition. More often than not it paid off. He couldn't have gotten us any closer and if we had any luck at all, well you know the story.

Personally I think he'll walk away now and if he does then you'd have to say he done a more than decent job.[/QUOTE]

Moran scored a fantastic point in the first half. However, he definitely messed up a couple of chances which I think he would have pointed last year. The one where he was blocked certainly seemed to highlight a loss of pace since last year. Strange he took that last free instead of O'Connor too.

I'd be surprised if Rochford stays on. He has previously spoken about how some criticism hurt his family so I could see him stepping away.

Fr Tod Umptious · 01-07-2018 11:30AM

seligehgit wrote: »

........Simply can't comprehend the nonsense posted that put at it's most simplistic we celebrate losers.Nothing can be further from the truth.However we are aware that everybody can't win in sport and these lads are invariably one or other of our neighbours who spill blood on the pitch to best themselves and attain a celtic cross medal.It's perplexing that some would want us to slaughter our county men who play for no financial reward.Constructive criticism is valid.,..........

To put it on perspective here are Mayo's All Ireland "exit points" since 2011 going from latest to earliest.

1 Final replay (2016)
3 Final (2012, 2013, 2017)
1 SF replay ET (2014)
1 SF replay (2015)
1 SF (2011)

If celebrating those seasons is celebrating losers then I am guilty as charged.

As a poster here said a few years back, these guys are living our dreams because we were not good enough to be able to live them ourselves.

crusier · 01-07-2018 11:41AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

1 Final replay (2016) 3 Final (2012, 2013, 2017) 1 SF replay ET (2014) 1 SF replay (2015) 1 SF (2011)

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

To put it on perspective here are Mayo's All Ireland "exit points" since 2011 going from latest to earliest.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

If celebrating those seasons is celebrating losers then I am guilty as charged.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

As a poster here said a few years back, these guys are living our dreams because we were not good enough to be able to live them ourselves.

In time only the victors will be remembered, In 22, 23 24 and 25 years time, the all ireland winners will be rolled out at half time in the all Ireland final. There will be a brief mention of Mayo and that will be it. That's the reality. Who was the second man on the moon? Most people don't know.

Bunny Colvin · 01-07-2018 11:58AM

crusier wrote: »

In time only the victors will be remembered, In 22, 23 24 and 25 years time, the all ireland winners will be rolled out at half time in the all Ireland final. There will be a brief mention of Mayo and that will be it. That's the reality. Who was the second man on the moon? Most people don't know.

I don't really care what anyone else thinks to be honest nor who gets rolled out at half-time in 25 years.

We've no All-Ireland to show for the last seven years and that's just sickening but to diminish all of that because a ball hit the post or we scored an own goal would be wrong. I've had some great days following Mayo in that time with friends and family that I'll take with me to the grave. From beating Cork by a point to stave off relegation and destroying Donegal in 2013 and coming back against Kerry the following year with 14 men. To beating them last year. I could go on.

If that makes us losers then so be it but we had some time of it.

01-07-2018 12:06PM

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

I don't really care what anyone else thinks to be honest nor who gets rolled out at half-time in 25 years.

We've no All-Ireland to show for the last seven years and that's just sickening but to diminish all of that because a ball hit the post or we scored an own goal would be wrong. I've had some great days following Mayo in that time with friends and family that I'll take with me to the grave. From beating Cork by a point to stave off relegation and destroying Donegal in 2013 and coming back against Kerry the following year with 14 men. To beating them last year. I could go on.

If that makes us losers then so be it but we had some time of it.

I think if things had gone a little better in Limerick in 2014(ref, collissions, penalties, wides etc) we would have at least 2 all Irelands now. It set the tone for the following years. It would of relieved the enormous pressure on this team.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 01-07-2018 12:13PM

crusier wrote: »

In time only the victors will be remembered, In 22, 23 24 and 25 years time, the all ireland winners will be rolled out at half time in the all Ireland final. There will be a brief mention of Mayo and that will be it. That's the reality. Who was the second man on the moon? Most people don't know.

Buzz Aldrin. Literally everyone knows him. Poor example.

gigantic09 · 01-07-2018 12:30PM

crusier wrote: »

In time only the victors will be remembered, In 22, 23 24 and 25 years time, the all ireland winners will be rolled out at half time in the all Ireland final. There will be a brief mention of Mayo and that will be it. That's the reality. Who was the second man on the moon? Most people don't know.

This team will always be remembered fondly by the people of Mayo and have left an indelible on all lucky enough to have followed on their journey. As a proud footballing county,they provided us with many new heroes to go along with the old legends from years past.
We rejoiced in their victories and shared the pain of the defeats. Thus creating a bond that will never be broken. It's become a way of life for us these past number of years and every kid wants to play for mayo. Hopefully many will and continue the legacy for many years to come.
Gradually over the next few years, the likes of Andy, Keith, Lee, Aos, Sos, Doc, Coc, boyler & others will no longer feature on team sheets.
They will however remain in in our hearts,and remind us to walk tall, be proud and fear no-one.

Up Mayo.

tacofries · 01-07-2018 12:32PM

From Ireland by luck, from Mayo by the grace of God.

For 7 years we fought relentlessly, never losing due to lack of effort, heart, bravery, courage or passion.

We travelled from county to county with tens of thousands of Mayo supporters, all in convoy, everyone in search of the same All Ireland glory.

We converted Donegal men, Leitrim women and neutrals from every inch of the country into Mayo groupies who were only too delighted to join our party and hop on to the Mayo bandwagon.

We spent thousands of euros in the big tree after all of our wins, and spent thousands more in coppers after our eventual loss on that third Sunday in September.

We laughed, we cried, we regrouped time and time again, and despite our eventual heartbreak, we always kept that raw Mayo fire burning inside of us as strong and as ferociously as ever.

Did our team posess enough skill or talent to win an All Ireland? I do not know. However our heart most certainly was always there and on so many occasions it got us so close to finally getting over the line. I hope that it is this same heart that will allow us to keep persevering, keep fighting and keep the dream alive that will someday allow us to be graced by the sound of the Green and Red of Mayo being played in Croke Park as the gold ribbon falls from the skies.

The dream is still alive.
The party still continues.
The fight is by no means over.

mickmackey1 · 01-07-2018 12:32PM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Buzz Aldrin. Literally everyone knows him. Poor example.

They know him now but in 50 years probably not.

Bunny Colvin · 01-07-2018 12:58PM

gigantic09 wrote: »

This team will always be remembered fondly by the people of Mayo and have left an indelible on all lucky enough to have followed on their journey. As a proud footballing county,they provided us with many new heroes to go along with the old legends from years past.
We rejoiced in their victories and shared the pain of the defeats. Thus creating a bond that will never be broken. It's become a way of life for us these past number of years and every kid wants to play for mayo. Hopefully many will and continue the legacy for many years to come.
Gradually over the next few years, the likes of Andy, Keith, Lee, Aos, Sos, Doc, Coc, boyler & others will no longer feature on team sheets.
They will however remain in in our hearts,and remind us to walk tall, be proud and fear no-one.

Up Mayo.

tacofries wrote: »

From Ireland by luck, from Mayo by the grace of God.

For 7 years we fought relentlessly, never losing due to lack of effort, heart, bravery, courage or passion.

We travelled from county to county with tens of thousands of Mayo supporters, all in convoy, everyone in search of the same All Ireland glory.

We converted Donegal men, Leitrim women and neutrals from every inch of the country into Mayo groupies who were only too delighted to join our party and hop on to the Mayo bandwagon.

We spent thousands of euros in the big tree after all of our wins, and spent thousands more in coppers after our eventual loss on that third Sunday in September.

We laughed, we cried, we regrouped time and time again, and despite our eventual heartbreak, we always kept that raw Mayo fire burning inside of us as strong and as ferociously as ever.

Did our team posess enough skill or talent to win an All Ireland? I do not know. However our heart most certainly was always there and on so many occasions it got us so close to finally getting over the line. I hope that it is this same heart that will allow us to keep persevering, keep fighting and keep the dream alive that will someday allow us to be graced by the sound of the Green and Red of Mayo being played in Croke Park as the gold ribbon falls from the skies.

The dream is still alive.
The party still continues.
The fight is by no means over.

Great posts. It's like we're writing eulogies lads but it has that feeling even though we'll be back, maybe with the 2.0 version.

Dyr · 01-07-2018 01:04PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I'd say the following will retire.
The following will have a reduced role
Boyle
Vaughan
Seamus O Shea
McLaughlin

Boyle would need to have his mileage clocked to be of use in 2019, he was fouling just to survive this year and it caught up with him.

km79 · 01-07-2018 01:15PM

crusier wrote: »

In time only the victors will be remembered, In 22, 23 24 and 25 years time, the all ireland winners will be rolled out at half time in the all Ireland final. There will be a brief mention of Mayo and that will be it. That's the reality. Who was the second man on the moon? Most people don't know.

I'll remember these summers till the day i die
That's all that matters to me

pimpmyhat · 01-07-2018 01:17PM

We will get behind Roscommon and Galway hopefully they can bring Sam over the Shannon.

Kevhog1988 · 01-07-2018 01:31PM

pimpmyhat wrote:

We will get behind Roscommon and Galway hopefully they can bring Sam over the Shannon.

Stick with us kildare men ðŸ˜.

Stoner · 01-07-2018 01:41PM

mickmackey1 wrote:

They know him now but in 50 years probably not.

They just need a handy one mickmackey.

Like 1983 or 2014.

mickmackey1 · 01-07-2018 01:49PM

Stoner wrote: »

They just need a handy one mickmackey.

Like 1983 or 2014.

We all know why they can't win one...

Zeek12 · 01-07-2018 02:10PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Management were very very slow to make changes.I was disappointed they showed such a lack of faith in their bench.Donie should have come in much earlier for Colm Boyle.Not entirely what became of Shane Nally this year.

Any thoughts on why Shane Nally was excluded this year?

With the injuries to Parsons, Seamie, Keegan....and Boyle not on top form...we really needed some impetus around the middle third.

Seems odd not to call on a player like this especially with injuries and luck conspiring against us

PressRun · 01-07-2018 03:03PM

Amazing how some people are still so desperate to remind us all that they never won an All-Ireland and trying to make us feel bad about the great times we've had over the last few years. It's sad that for some the GAA is about little more than winning. A bitter side effect of the creeping professionalism that has entered the game - nothing matters beyond the winners and losers binary, and God forbid anyone enjoys anything anymore. Even the winners barely seem to enjoy their victories anymore.

The GAA is so much more personal than just going to a match. It's about friends and family and communities. People should be allowed to enjoy all the experiences and memories that come with being part of this community instead of having that dismissed because "well you didn't win, did ya?" No, we didn't win. But I've had some brilliant days with my family and with my friends and even with strangers. From a lovely Kerry man buying me a cup of tea during a league match last winter when I was freezing my hole off in Tralee, to the Dublin fans who reassured me in the last moments of the Tyrone match in 2016 when I could only look through my fingers.

I've had a brilliant time the last 7 years and for what it's worth, I don't think it's over.

Fowler87 · 01-07-2018 03:32PM

Zeek12 wrote: »

Any thoughts on why Shane Nally was excluded this year?

With the injuries to Parsons, Seamie, Keegan....and Boyle not on top form...we really needed some impetus around the middle third.

Seems odd not to call on a player like this especially with injuries and luck conspiring against us

The biggest conondrum in Rochfords reign imho is the lack of game time for Nally

nuac · 01-07-2018 03:57PM

Congrats and thanks to the team and management for all the enjoyment they have given us,

There is always next year

irishgeo · 01-07-2018 04:14PM

nuac wrote: »

Congrats and thanks to the team and management for all the enjoyment they have given us,

There is always next year

If Clarke retires. Hennelly as first choice scares me. Who is next up? Flanagan from balla is it. He still a prospect?

Fowler87 · 01-07-2018 04:21PM

irishgeo wrote: »

If Clarke retires. Hennelly as first choice scares me. Who is next up? Flanagan from balla is it. He still a prospect?

Westport goalie is meant to be highly rated at club level.. O'Malley I think

Bunny Colvin · 01-07-2018 04:25PM

irishgeo wrote: »

If Clarke retires. Hennelly as first choice scares me. Who is next up? Flanagan from balla is it. He still a prospect?

He played for the Mayo Juniors this year so I wouldn't be surprised if he got a call up in the near future.

wirelessdude01 · 01-07-2018 04:39PM

Nally isn't up to the pitch of senior championship. Think this is the reason why he hasn't really featured in championship at all. His auditions in the league this year didn't show him in any great light.

He seems to be the new Richie, the one who doesn't get the chance to show this genius that supposedly exists.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 01-07-2018 04:45PM

pimpmyhat wrote: »

We will get behind Roscommon and Galway hopefully they can bring Sam over the Shannon.

Dream on. I hope the Rossies never win anything.

seligehgit · 01-07-2018 04:55PM

Fowler87 wrote: »

Westport goalie is meant to be highly rated at club level.. O'Malley I think

Yeah I'd say it's between Matthew Flanagan and Brian O Malley.

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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