Does anyone else get sick at the thought of working for the next 40 years?

Twenty Grand wrote: »

You can't do a 4 year course full time, so do 8 years part time.

Finally! A reasonable solution is offered!

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

If you had read my posts. My pain comes from the fact I feel incredibly connected to the world. I feel the pain of every person around me that is struggling to get by. I feel the pain of the people I see around me sleepwalking through their lives without ever living. There is no woe is me. That connection comes from understanding, compassion and love for people.

I can make this work for myself. The pain comes from knowing that we could be so much better, so much better. I know the value of letting that pain in and feeling connected and wouldn't swap it for the world as it empties you of bitterness that most people can't let go of which means they never properly feel. Don't worry about it though, you are alright and other people just need to help themselves. I am fighting a sea of hate caused by fear.

I hear ya. When I think of today's society I think of Pokemon lol. When a Pokemon is ready to evolve you can press B to stop it evolving and that's how I feel about society today. We're being prevented from evolving. The systems we have Government/Economic/Legal etc have served their purpose and got us to this point but they are not fit for purpose anymore. Millions of people can live in abject poverty yet one person can horde the wealth of a million people. How is this not an absurd situation?. We kill each other by the thousand for money, for numbers on a balance sheet, and the people doing the killing are looked on as the best of us. Then folk wonder why there's so much mental illness and don't connect the dots. One suffers we all suffer. We are only as strong as our weakest link, and if you believe in that, how strong are we?.

Diversity for Hire wrote: »

A quote from Charles Bukowski you may appreciate

“How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 8:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, ****, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?”

A song from the clash to wake you up every morning .....
The Magnificient 7 from Sandinista a triple album - they worked hard !
https://youtu.be/MfG--sCcgho

WhiteMemento9 wrote:

We elect one of the most abhorrent human beings in Trump as a leader to change things. Please join the dots logically for me and explain how that society is functioning correctly? People like to make jokes at people who talk about this stuff because it makes them nervous to even consider.

It's important to realise, democracy doesn't really exist anywhere on this planet, and America truly reflects this, sadly this administration will probably cause irreversible damage globally, and sadly, they may just get a second term.

There is something fundamentally going wrong in our societies, but there are individuals and groups forming to try rectify these issues, maybe you could get involved in such groups?

Twenty Grand wrote: »

No one says society is functioning correctly. If you have any suggestions on how to enact positive change to improve people's lives short term then throw them out there.

To blindly criticise with no solution is lazy and empty.

To effect positive change will require sacrifice. Are you willing to have less so someone else can have more?. Are people willing to do the right thing at major economic cost?. I'm waiting at the gate for ye whenever ye are ready.

Pussyhands wrote: »

Doing the same thing. I mean, getting up early in the morning, doing a full days work, giving away the best hours of the day. Coming back, not really being able to do anything major.

Weekends spent trying to rest as you're bollixed from the week.

20 days off a year.

Stuck at a desk all day, probably leading to health problems later on.

The hope of not doing it keeps me going but deep down the likliehood is I'll have to keep working.

You need to get a job you enjoy doing. Enjoy going into work in the mornings, enjoy being in work. When you are off work look forward to going back into work. Few people in life achieve it but if you are in your mid twenties you have plenty of time to work towards a dream job.

seannash wrote: »

Ah jesus,
You detest people who are cocky about what they have yet you feel you are above everyone else abilities when it comes to empathizing and understanding people. Your view is that if we hold our opinions that don't gel with yours then its impossible to understand someone else's pain or suffering and that we are doing nothing to better our communities or other peoples lives.

Your post are increasingly patronising.

Fair enough that it how you view what I am saying. I think that comes from a place of me not agreeing with you and you feeling a little hurt by what I said. I am sorry if that is the case as I truly don't want to make anyone feel bad about themselves. The pressure of this world are far too much for anyone and I get people do what they do to get by. I know it is the system that is broken and people could be much. much better if we could change things.

I detest people who don't seem to have empathy. I know many cocky people who I enjoy the company of.

witchgirl26 wrote: »

But what about buying something like a home? Which is what I was actually talking about. I wouldn't just go out and buy something massive without a lot of thought but sometimes I do treat myself. I've worked hard and should be able to use the money I've earned without feeling resentment from people because I've managed to get myself to a certain position.

I wouldn't have had a privileged younger life to a large degree. I was lucky though in that I had parents who encouraged me and sacrificed so that their kids could continue their education and have opportunities. I didn't get it all handed to me which is what some people seem to think when they see what I have.

And it's great that you don't care what others do but my point was that I've had it where people have been quite vocal and bitter about what I've worked hard to afford. What about those people? How am I meant to make them feel better about their feelings? Am I meant to not enjoy the fruits of my labour so they can feel better? Does that help my happiness or does that just end up making me feel bitter?

Feeling whole as a person just made me realise that the bitterness comes from a place. I have been lucky to have many good friends who I talk openly and honestly with about struggles in life. Even strangers on occasion when I make a connection. You tend to get to know why a person has that bitter edge. It isn't always forgivable but generally, I understand it then I can let it go. We do far too much judging and not enough understanding. I am not here though to tell you how to live your life. A house makes you feel safe, I get that but at the end of the day I live in my head and that is where I want to be happy.

seannash wrote: »

Why would I be hurt by you not agreeing with me. I simply am pointing out your hypocrisy.
I've met and have friends like yourself who hold similar views and when it comes to debating the topic they revert to the standard "I dont think you understand what I'm saying" response

You didn't though point out any hypocrisy. I don't mind either way. I am not here to win arguments. I think these are incredibly important issues that we don't do enough talking about. I feel a little helpless towards how much of society is doing. I am making positive steps to try and change that helpless feeling. All of my posts here come from a place of caring about people and hating the world we have created to care for them. I don't have some trip about trying to do anything other than get people to consider these things but it does seem obvious to me that things are not right. I don't generally tend to argue with people about this stuff as when you look people in the eye and explain this stuff they get it. They may not feel they can do anything, but they get it.

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

You didn't though point out any hypocrisy. I don't mind either way. I am not here to win arguments. I think these are incredibly important issues that we don't do enough talking about. I feel a little helpless towards how much of society is doing. I am making positive steps to try and change that helpless feeling. All of my posts here come from a place of caring about people and hating the world we have created to care for them. I don't have some trip about trying to do anything other than get people to consider these things but it does seem obvious to me that things are not right. I don't generally tend to argue with people about this stuff as when you look people in the eye and explain this stuff they get it. They may not feel they can do anything, but they get it.

But that's the point, when asked a hypothetical question you have no answer based on your beliefs.



What topics would you like to debate. Start a thread. I'll happily debate solutions to problems.

seannash wrote: »

But that's the point, when asked a hypothetical question you have no answer based on your beliefs.

What topics would you like to debate. Start a thread. I'll happily debate solutions to problems.

Are you just making up things? What questions was I asked. You are incredibly defensive and closed at the moment so I don't think we are going to get anything productive from more conversation. You have your own views and thoughts. That is the world. Mine come from listening to myself, talking to smarter people, listening to smarter people and reading from smarter people. I am completely comfortable with them.

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

Are you just making up things? What questions was I asked. You are incredibly defensive and closed at the moment so I don't think we are going to get anything productive from more conversation. You have your own views and thoughts. That is the world. Mine come from listening to myself, talking to smarter people, listening to smarter people and reading from smarter people. I am completely comfortable with them.

When asked should I employ the man who is under financial pressure into a job he may hate you replied with the below


"You have a moral compass use it. If you feel it is right then I can't judge that. I think it is wrong but those are my own morals. I couldn't do the job in the first place. You are doing through what you need to do in a broken system so I get that. It doesn't mean it is the way things should be. If more people said, no I don't want to live in a world that makes me do these things, we might have a chance. That is hard though because I get that everyone is just trying to survive and enjoy this life thing. It is making us worse people though. When people were conditioned in much worse periods of history to do the wrong thing, we look back and think now, what the hell where they at. They did it because that was the way thing were. People may feel helpless and go along with this world, it doesn't mean you can't see it is wrong"


I can assure you I am not being defensive rather I'm just replying to your points and you are responding exactly as I expected.
I also talk to smart people, read and try to better understand people and I agree we are coming at it from two totally separate viewpoints. I'm more data driven and probably liberal about these things and you are more spiritual and left leaning.
Naturally my arguments will be based on reason and logic and maybe data where as yours will be based on feelings and as a result have no concrete foundation for someone like me and probably the majority of society.
The way you want to illicit change is a lost cause because as humans most of us work with reason and logic.