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Does anyone else get sick at the thought of working for the next 40 years?

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    #212
    Dial Hard
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    Well this thread deteriorated quickly.


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    #213
    Twenty Grand
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    Dial Hard wrote: »
    Well this thread deteriorated quickly.

    Like every thread that deals with work, it quickly devolves into the same wishy washy socialist utopia rubbish. The same tired "the elites and the government are oppressing the common man" arguments that are disproven again and again, and the same posters espousing the same extreme left rhetoric that has never ever worked anywhere in the world.

    As I've said earlier, if you've made a bad career decision, you can back track. If you're in a poorly paid job, you can upskill. If you want to change careers you have plenty of time and opportunity. Short term pain will give long term gain.

    Staying in the same place and blaming "the system" will get you no where.


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    #214
    Pussyhands
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    Dial Hard wrote: »
    Well this thread deteriorated quickly.

    Yes unfortunately I have been coming to this thread hoping to read insightful replies (of which there are some) and it's just one user bickering with another.


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    #215
    WhiteMemento9
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    seannash wrote: »
    When asked should I employ the man who is under financial pressure into a job he may hate you replied with the below


    "You have a moral compass use it. If you feel it is right then I can't judge that. I think it is wrong but those are my own morals. I couldn't do the job in the first place. You are doing through what you need to do in a broken system so I get that. It doesn't mean it is the way things should be. If more people said, no I don't want to live in a world that makes me do these things, we might have a chance. That is hard though because I get that everyone is just trying to survive and enjoy this life thing. It is making us worse people though. When people were conditioned in much worse periods of history to do the wrong thing, we look back and think now, what the hell where they at. They did it because that was the way thing were. People may feel helpless and go along with this world, it doesn't mean you can't see it is wrong"


    I can assure you I am not being defensive rather I'm just replying to your points and you are responding exactly as I expected.
    I also talk to smart people, read and try to better understand people and I agree we are coming at it from two totally separate viewpoints. I'm more data driven and probably liberal about these things and you are more spiritual and left leaning.
    Naturally my arguments will be based on reason and logic and maybe data where as yours will be based on feelings and as a result have no concrete foundation for someone like me and probably the majority of society.
    The way you want to illicit change is a lost cause because as humans most of us work with reason and logic.

    That question I didn't feel right pushing as you are asking me tell you what is right. I can't do that. Since you have pushed and asked again. Yes, I do feel it is morally wrong. If I was working and employing people into a job that I knew had such a high burnout rate that it can't keep staff I would feel it is my obligation is say to the person when I offer them the job that. That comes from me talking to people who have got trapped in those situations and it has destroyed them. I couldn't in good conscience do that to another human. If you are employing people into a call centre or something where the work is just monotonous and boring that is a different thing to the situation I was talking about where the job was incredibly high pressure, long hours and hugely stressful. You know that people can't do the job so you go out an hunt for people who are vunerable enough to trap them. Yes, I feel that is wrong. You have a decsion and they have a decison. What they do shouldn't impact how you feel about it morally.

    I am not in any way spiritual. Those things I talk about that sound that way come from feelings as a person. I don't practice any spirituality, read about it or have any interest in it. It is just something I feel.

    The left-leaning thing I don't get in the sense that is just a label to put someone in a box. We are all far more faceted than some tag. Many of my views may align with views considered left. People tend to latch onto causes because as a way to show identity. I just come at it from a position of caring. I have a degree in a technical discipline so I understand data-driven arguments. I just don't think many of them make sense when you actually think about the people involved.


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    #216
    seannash
    Registered Users Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    That question I didn't feel right pushing as you are asking me tell you what is right. I can't do that. Since you have pushed and asked again. Yes, I do feel it is morally wrong. If I was working and employing people into a job that I knew had such a high burnout rate that it can't keep staff I would feel it is my obligation is say to the person when I offer them the job that. That comes from me talking to people who have got trapped in those situations and it has destroyed them. I couldn't in good conscience do that to another human. If you are employing people into a call centre or something where the work is just monotonous and boring that is a different thing to the situation I was talking about where the job was incredibly high pressure, long hours and hugely stressful. You know that people can't do the job so you go out an hunt for people who are vunerable enough to trap them. Yes, I feel that is wrong. You have a decsion and they have a decison. What they do shouldn't impact how you feel about it morally.

    I am not in any way spiritual. Those things I talk about that sound that way come from feelings as a person. I don't practice any spirituality, read about it or have any interest in it. It is just something I feel.

    The left-leaning thing I don't get in the sense that is just a label to put someone in a box. We are all far more faceted than some tag. Many of my views may align with views considered left. People tend to latch onto causes because as a way to show identity. I just come at it from a position of caring. I have a degree in a technical discipline so I understand data-driven arguments. I just don't think many of them make sense when you actually think about the people involved.
    Fair enough,
    I think we are done here.
    I appreciate your replies


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    #217
    kunst nugget
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    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Yes unfortunately I have been coming to this thread hoping to read insightful replies (of which there are some) and it's just one user bickering with another.

    It sounds very much like a touch of the quarter life crisis - up to this point in your life, you had plenty of change or the expectation of change to come shortly and all of a sudden, you're stuck in a job with a lot less freedom to do what you want to do and a lot more responsibility to actually engage with the adult world and its concerns in terms of rent, bills, savings, pensions etc... Your first jobs usually suck to one degree or another very much from being bottom of the pecking order. But things change, you get more responsibility, you learn to manage your time and delegate tasks properly and you get more confident in your abilities. People do get stuck in ruts or in jobs they don't like but you can do things to help counteract that by upskilling in your own time.

    The most important skill is to leave your job in the office and not think about until you go back into the office and never get involved in office politics. Don't let any career completely dictate your life and take time with personal hobbies and projects that give you a sense of fulfilment away from the workplace. Work to live don't live to work as the saying goes.


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    #218
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    seannash wrote: »
    Fair enough,
    I think we are done here.
    I appreciate your replies

    And I yours. I am always interested in talking to people. I think they are amazing. I'm sorry if I came across as condescending or any of that bull****, it really isn't meant in that way.


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    #219
    seannash
    Registered Users Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Yes unfortunately I have been coming to this thread hoping to read insightful replies (of which there are some) and it's just one user bickering with another.
    Par for the course.
    What did you find interesting and would like people to expand on.
    My two cents are

    Small mortgage and start contributing into a pension fund now while you are young if you haven't already.


    I wont tell you to find a job you love because to be honest thats basic common sense but isn't always achievable.
    If you are not tied down I suggest you travel. You don't need to quit your job to travel but if you can I would for a year or two.
    If you cant quit travel for 3 weeks if your company allows it. But try to think a little outside the norm (Borneo,sri Lanka, Philippines, south America)
    Travel to places where you can do experiences not just lie by a pool.


    You may have the dreary job but if your life outside of it is fulfilling you will not mind it as much.


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    #220
    seannash
    Registered Users Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    And I yours. I am always interested in talking to people. I think they are amazing. I'm sorry if I came across as condescending or any of that bull****, it really isn't meant in that way.
    Sames


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    #221
    Tom Dunne
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    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Yes unfortunately I have been coming to this thread hoping to read insightful replies (of which there are some) and it's just one user bickering with another.

    Now that the main protagonists have run out of steam, what are you looking for from the rest of us?

    Do you have personal goals set? As corny as it sounds, where do you want to be in 5- 10- or 15-years time? What can you do to change your situation?

    One (again, admittedly corny) saying that helps:

    "Don't let the things you can't do stop you doing the things you can do"


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    #222
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    Like every thread that deals with work, it quickly devolves into the same wishy washy socialist utopia rubbish. The same tired "the elites and the government are oppressing the common man" arguments that are disproven again and again, and the same posters espousing the same extreme left rhetoric that has never ever worked anywhere in the world.

    As I've said earlier, if you've made a bad career decision, you can back track. If you're in a poorly paid job, you can upskill. If you want to change careers you have plenty of time and opportunity. Short term pain will give long term gain.

    Staying in the same place and blaming "the system" will get you no where.

    Money, money, money, money. You hear it right folks. With a few simple steps into the mill machine of the world you too can work your fingers to the bone and be happy. Roll up to the show. Get that money. Change your life, be happy. Buy the car, the big house, the washing machine, the wife, the boat, the villa, get it allllllllll. Everyone is important, everyone is special, everyone can do anything if they just try. Just remember it is all about you.


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    #223
    seannash
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    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Money, money, money, money. You hear it right folks. With a few simple steps into the mill machine of the world you too can work your fingers to the bone and be happy. Roll up to the show. Get that money. Change your life, be happy. Buy the car, the big house, the washing machine, the wife, the boat, the villa, get it allllllllll. Everyone is important, everyone is special, everyone can do anything if they just try. Just remember it is all about you.




    I'm not trying to start another debate but more money or career advancement doesn't always mean more work. (Small point)


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    #224
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    seannash wrote: »
    I'm not trying to start another debate but more money or career advancement doesn't always mean more work. (Small point)

    My humour obviously doesn't come across well. I just find people like I was replying farcical funny. It is like a character that can't possibly be real. Like, do people actually believe these things?


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    #225
    Twenty Grand
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    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Money, money, money, money. You hear it right folks. With a few simple steps into the mill machine of the world you too can work your fingers to the bone and be happy. Roll up to the show. Get that money. Change your life, be happy. Buy the car, the big house, the washing machine, the wife, the boat, the villa, get it allllllllll. Everyone is important, everyone is special, everyone can do anything if they just try. Just remember it is all about you.
    There was nothing in that comment that even mentioned money.

    The point of the thread is people sick of dead end, low paid, uninspiring jobs.
    I'm not about the money, far from it, but it galls me when people complain their jobs are sh*t then do nothing to improve their situation.

    Your approach is to say that the system is broken. Fair enough, it may be. But telling people who are stuck in a rut that the problem is outside their control is wrong and dangerous.

    Personally, I'm out. Your posting style is all over the place and not grounded in reality.


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    WhiteMemento9
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    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    There was nothing in that comment that even mentioned money.

    The point of the thread is people sick of dead end, low paid, uninspiring jobs.
    I'm not about the money, far from it, but it galls me when people complain their jobs are sh*t then do nothing to improve their situation.

    Your approach is to say that the system is broken. Fair enough, it may be. But telling people who are stuck in a rut that the problem is outside their control is wrong and dangerous.

    Career unless it is a passion = money. I find anyone that talks about career and money to be the most boring parts of them. If you are in a **** job, improving your situation should come from finding things that make you happy in life outside work. Work is just a means of living life. Dangerous for who exactly, the people who feel worthless, downtrodden and disenfranchised or the people benefitting from all of this.


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    kunst nugget
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    The chances of you doing the exact same thing for 40 years is pretty slim...

    I have no problem working for 40 years. I see my father still working at 79 and he loves it and I've seen people retire and then founder completely as they never developed themselves as a person outside of work. If you enjoy work, have at it. If you don't - take some time to develop yourself as a person with interests and hobbies and don't plonk yourself down in front of the tv every night after work until the day you retire.


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    Twenty Grand
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    Reread the OP. If you hate the thoughts of doing the same thing then don't! Change it up over the next 10 years so you're in a better place.
    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Career unless it is a passion = money. I find anyone that talks about career and money to be the most boring parts of them. If you are in a **** job, improving your situation should come from finding things that make you happy in life outside work. Work is just a means of living life. Dangerous for who exactly, the people who feel worthless, downtrodden and disenfranchised or the people benefitting from all of this.
    The bit in bold. If you're in a sh*t job, put up with it and find fulfilment elsewhere. IS that the best advice you can give? Seriously?
    Work is not a means of living life. Work can be engaging, interesting and exciting. If you can't see that then I pity you and the life you're going to waste.

    Exactly for those people. You give no advice to those who feel worthless, downtrodden and disenfranchised only to suck it up and hope "the system" changes and they'll all be free.


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    #230
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    Reread the OP. If you hate the thoughts of doing the same thing then don't! Change it up over the next 10 years so you're in a better place.

    The bit in bold. If you're in a sh*t job, put up with it and find fulfilment elsewhere. IS that the best advice you can give? Seriously?
    Work is not a means of living life. Work can be engaging, interesting and exciting. If you can't see that then I pity you and the life you're going to waste.

    Exactly for those people. You give no advice to those who feel worthless, downtrodden and disenfranchised only to suck it up and hope "the system" changes and they'll all be free.

    What people like you don't understand is that if you find reasons that life it wonderful. People will make themselves better. If they find these things they make decisions. Some end up happy working fewer hours, some need more money they work more or some become interested in trying to find another job. Make people interested in life. People like you who shout at them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get on with working to work more to work more to chase what exactly. Give them a reason to live and chase.


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    Twenty Grand
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    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    What people like you don't understand is that if you find reasons that life it wonderful. People will make themselves better. If they find these things they make decisions. Some end up happy working fewer hours, some need more money they work more or some become interested in trying to find another job. Make people interested in life. People like you who shout at them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get on with working to work more to work more to chase what exactly. Give them a reason to live and chase.

    Yeah, cause that's what I meant when I said work can be engaging, interesting and exciting:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    What people like you don't understand is that you can find plenty of fulfilment in work, and find even more in your free time too. It's not mutually exclusive.

    I think you're just reading what you want to read in my posts.


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    randomrb
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    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    What people like you don't understand is that if you find reasons that life it wonderful. People will make themselves better. If they find these things they make decisions. Some end up happy working fewer hours, some need more money they work more or some become interested in trying to find another job. Make people interested in life. People like you who shout at them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get on with working to work more to work more to chase what exactly. Give them a reason to live and chase.

    This I agree with but it clashes with your previous statements. By you saying that we are all the way we are because of our surroundings it allows people to say that there is nothing they can do to change things. and that more than anything does not give them a reason to live and improve their lot no matter how good or bad it is to begin with


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    #233
    WhiteMemento9
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    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    Yeah, cause that's what I meant when I said work can be engaging, interesting and exciting:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    What people like you don't understand is that you can find plenty of fulfilment in work, and find even more in your free time too. It's not mutually exclusive.

    I think you're just reading what you want to read in my posts.

    You can if work is a passion. Most people don't find that or it takes time. People get sedated by these humdrum jobs, make bad decisions and things end in ruin. I understand that shouting at these people to pick up a shovel and start digging isn't the way to go about showing these people that life can be wonderful. Engaging work rarely comes early in life. People don't have enough of that free time which is the whole point of this thread.


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    #235
    donaleire
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    This post resonates so well with me, I feel ive done everything I was meant to do, got good grades, went to university did an undergrad then masters, tried to pick a good career with prospects. I now find myself waking up with dread every morning at the prospect of going to work. I never have energy to do anything in the evenings so Im living purely for the weekend which is taken up mostly by chores. I'm only 28 and feel like screaming at the thought of another 40 years of this!!!!!!!! If only I knew what I was good at and what my passion was! With all this youd expect I had the niceties of life at least, instead im driving a 13 year old car and getting to my last 100 euro by payday, haha the idea of paying into a pension plan is just a fairytale at the moment. Maybe its just way Ireland is highly educated people who have little to show for it. i dont even make 35k yet


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    seannash
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    donaleire wrote: »
    This post resonates so well with me, I feel ive done everything I was meant to do, got good grades, went to university, tried to pick a good careeer with prospects. I now find myself waking up with dread every morning at the prospect of going to work. I never have energy to do anything in the evenings so Im living purely for the weekend which is taken up mostly by chores. I'm only 28 and feel like screaming at the thought of another 40 years of this!!!!!!!! If only I knew what I was good at and what my passion was!


    You might never figure out what you want to be when you grow up so as others have suggested find fulfillment outside of work if you can find it in work.
    It takes mental toughness to drag yourself off the sofa in the evening. Perhaps don't head home after work would be a better approach?


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    donaleire
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    I suffer from pernicious anaemia and injections don't work very well for me so I find it incredibly tough at work never mind in the evenings. I used to have to go for a sleep during my lunch break in car before I found out what it was. There isn't anything medically that can be done apart from the injections so its just a bad hand ive been dealt when it comes to energy levels unfortunately. I do try to go for a walk at lunch to break up the day


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    Wanderer78
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    donaleire wrote: »
    I suffer from pernicious anaemia and injections don't work very well for me so I find it incredibly tough at work never mind in the evenings. I used to have to go for a sleep during my lunch break in car before I found out what it was. There isn't anything medically that can be done apart from the injections so its just a bad hand ive been dealt when it comes to energy levels unfortunately. I do try to go for a walk at lunch to break up the day

    i actually suffer with some form of fatigue myself, so i can somewhat relate to this. i use to work shifts, nearly killed me, but i still pushed myself through fatigue to do regular physical exercise, thankfully it worked or may have eventually had a break down


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    #239
    cute geoge
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    donaleire wrote: »
    This post resonates so well with me, I feel ive done everything I was meant to do, got good grades, went to university did an undergrad then masters, tried to pick a good career with prospects. I now find myself waking up with dread every morning at the prospect of going to work. I never have energy to do anything in the evenings so Im living purely for the weekend which is taken up mostly by chores. I'm only 28 and feel like screaming at the thought of another 40 years of this!!!!!!!! If only I knew what I was good at and what my passion was! With all this youd expect I had the niceties of life at least, instead im driving a 13 year old car and getting to my last 100 euro by payday, haha the idea of paying into a pension plan is just a fairytale at the moment. Maybe its just way Ireland is highly educated people who have little to show for it. i dont even make 35k yet
    the real crux is would people like your good self be as well off in easy peasy job i.e. shop assistant and have plenty of time and energy for other persuits .I am currently a 44 year old dairy farmer ,disillusioned with long hours and very low pay for hours worked .I can see where you start off in dunnes on €11/hour,i know it will not get much better then that but retail staff do not seem hard pressed in the job they have to do .


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    wakka12
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    Retail doesnt have very consistent hours which is why mostly students work in it, I think it would be hard to live off the wages from a job like that, thats if you even manage to be on a 40 hour week for them


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    donaleire
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    You might have a point Cute Geoge maybe we would, my position requires the minimum of a law degree and they stated its desirable to have a masters which I have. However, Im only on 32k a year, with a good few years work experience behind me. I would consider becoming a solicitor, but the cost of moving to Dublin is beyond me now and I've responsibilities where I am. That is life I suppose, we all eventually get stuck with where we are due to circumstances. Meanwhile Luas and Irish rail workers are on starting salary of nearly 40k. Then again to get into a place like that it's all about who you know. I believe it should be explained better when we are in school how the world works, so we don't set ourselves up for disappointment. This continuing thrive for further education, by myself included, is diluting its value. I would have become a plumber or an electrician if I had a crystal ball ten years ago.


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