Does anyone else get sick at the thought of working for the next 40 years?

WhiteMemento9

JJayoo wrote: »

Don't get married or have kids and you will save a fortune.

Forgetting about the money. This one I am really torn on. I see the passion in people who have had kids and the joy it brings. I also see the hardship and how they struggle to keep touch with themselves as people and with each other in the relationship. Everything becomes about the kids. That is a really hard one for me to decipher. I am in the camp that the bad outweighs the good but that is the logical part of my brain and maybe the emotional value is worth it. I properly love people though in my life so I feel like I have that connection to people. I know, I know parents . . . it isn't the same

seannash

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

Forgetting about the money. This one I am really torn on. I see the passion in people who have had kids and the joy it brings. I also see the hardship and how they struggle to keep touch with themselves as people and with each other in the relationship. Everything becomes about the kids. That is a really hard one for me to decipher. I am in the camp that the bad outweighs the good but that is the logical part of my brain and maybe the emotional value is worth it. I properly love people though in my life so I feel like I have that connection to people. I know, I know parents . . . it isn't the same

I honestly think parents willingly give up on their social lives when they have kids.
I've had my first kid 6 weeks ago and since then me and the girlfriend have been out practically every weekend just like before we had a kid. Sometimes together and sometimes apart, sometimes the pub, other times a restaurant and home early.

My parents were the same, they put a big emphasis on socialising as it brought them great joy and kept them sane. (6 kids)

Everyone is saying they cant believe we manage to get out but you have to make it happen.
Its very possible to have kids and not lose all your social life. Spontaneity goes out the window a bit but with some planning its manageable. Having a partner who understands and likes to socialise as much as you do helps.

VW 1

seannash wrote: »

I think the biggest problem people have is the mortgage.
If I was to give anyone advice starting out I would say give serious consideration into not buying a big house. (Or more correctly not getting a big mortgage in relation to your earnings)

Its one of, if not the, largest bills you will have as an adult.

Personally it isn't the mortgage bill causing issues as we bought with consideration to wanting to be able to pay it if only one of us was working. Our highest bill is childcare.

That said it's only until the end of August as the young lad is going to school, and suddenly we will have money which will be used to overpay the mortgage and get rid of that noose from around our necks.

Hoping to have the mortgage paid off by 45 and in a position to either totally cut back on working hours or take up contract work and take off a period of several months at a stretch and go travel.

The job is the job, I don't have any passion for it but I also don't mind what I do and I am reasonably competent at it and am doing well enough in terms of progress in a relaxed atmosphere where there is no pressure to be seen to be working long hours.

I realise that not everyone is in the same boat, but I would encourage anyone to keep their head above water and plug away at what you do, until you find something you are passionate about or enjoy and then try to focus on that, whether inside of work or out.

seannash

VW 1 wrote: »

Personally it isn't the mortgage bill causing issues as we bought with consideration to wanting to be able to pay it if only one of us was working. Our highest bill is childcare.

That said it's only until the end of August as the young lad is going to school, and suddenly we will have money which will be used to overpay the mortgage and get rid of that noose from around our necks.

Hoping to have the mortgage paid off by 45 and in a position to either totally cut back on working hours or take up contract work and take off a period of several months at a stretch and go travel.

The job is the job, I don't have any passion for it but I also don't mind what I do and I am reasonably competent at it and am doing well enough in terms of progress in a relaxed atmosphere where there is no pressure to be seen to be working long hours.

I realise that not everyone is in the same boat, but I would encourage anyone to keep their head above water and plug away at what you do, until you find something you are passionate about or enjoy and then try to focus on that, whether inside of work or out.

Great plan,
I'm trying to achieve something similar.

witchgirl26

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

Thank you. I wasn't directing the half-truth comment towards you. That is more part of the problems I see around me in why people are so miserable. I know nothing about your life although you just gave me a slice and it sounds pretty good.

Oh I know you weren't. It's more that lying to yourself isn't going to help anyone in the long run, least of all yourself.

I think there's such a conditioning that if you have a full-time job that you shouldn't leave it but while that might have been the case 20, 30 years ago, now the workplace is a lot more fluid and if people aren't happy for real reasons then they should leave and find somewhere at least where they can be.

I know plenty of people who find their work boring in what they do but they love the place they work and people they work with so that means they actually like their job.

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

So you are saying that you think people are purely a product of the hard work they put in. They don't at all get scared, moulded, shaped by life. We all have the same access to opportunities. We all have the same parents to motivate us. The bombardment from the world about doing something great with your life. We all have that inner drive and intelligence to succeed despite our circumstances? Stop drawing such straight lines in your head that people use that as an excuse and are bitter because that is who they are. If you dig into people enough you will generally find reasons as to how life has ended up leaving them feeling like that. A bit of compassion and understanding will make you a better person too. If you are solely about the career and getting ahead. Have at it. I hope it makes you happy.

I don't think that was how it was meant. I have had it though from people who had similar enough opportunities to me getting annoyed at me because my career is viewed as successful and I earn a good salary that allows me to do things. They made different choices to me but they don't always see it that way.

I have compassion for people whose circumstances meant that opportunities were limited despite any natural intelligence they may have but not for people who made decisions that led them to where they are now and can't be happy for others who've made things work for them.

.......

This post has been deleted.

WhiteMemento9

witchgirl26 wrote: »

Oh I know you weren't. It's more that lying to yourself isn't going to help anyone in the long run, least of all yourself.

I think there's such a conditioning that if you have a full-time job that you shouldn't leave it but while that might have been the case 20, 30 years ago, now the workplace is a lot more fluid and if people aren't happy for real reasons then they should leave and find somewhere at least where they can be.

I know plenty of people who find their work boring in what they do but they love the place they work and people they work with so that means they actually like their job.

The problem for many people is that the kids, mortgages and all that stuff looms hard on the horizon as something they need to do. Then it becomes a case of being trapped as you need the money. I had an enlighting conversation with someone recently who said when they interview people for jobs that they actively look for people who have just bought a house or had a baby. They know themselves the work is horrible but they know they have them trapped into it. Those kinds of calculations and motivations in people I find scary qualities.

witchgirl26 wrote: »

I don't think that was how it was meant. I have had it though from people who had similar enough opportunities to me getting annoyed at me because my career is viewed as successful and I earn a good salary that allows me to do things. They made different choices to me but they don't always see it that way.

I have compassion for people whose circumstances meant that opportunities were limited despite any natural intelligence they may have but not for people who made decisions that led them to where they are now and can't be happy for others who've made things work for them.

That bitterness comes from a place. I never show it back. I would have in the past but it is completely gone towards all people. I do properly hate being around people that I can see a lack of empathy. I'm alright with people who at least struggle morally but those people who do things for money that would make your head spin can **** right off away from me. I don't have bitterness towards them but they make me anxious to be around.

People will do whatever they want and they only like me trying to find ways to make this mad life thing work for them. At the end of the day, we all live in that thing on top of our heads and how to manage it is different for everyone. I have quite a deep understanding of how someone who looks to have it all can just throw it all away and believe me is a complex equation that I don't think another person could ever understand. You get the things you think will make you happy and they don't, sometimes we only process that subconsciously but it turns you into a bitter person to the world. They are lying to us.

victor8600

....... wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Or any science, if the problem you are working on is interesting. You'll be waking up at night to write down stuff to work on later. If only scientists did not have to waste time writing proposals for funding, science would be just fun.

seannash

....... wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

I think they have progressed a lot in the past few years. I agree about the picking up but I dont intend to have much clutter (Easier said than done)

witchgirl26

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

The problem for many people is that the kids, mortgages and all that stuff looms hard on the horizon as something they need to do. Then it becomes a case of being trapped as you need the money. I had an enlighting conversation with someone recently who said when they interview people for jobs that they actively look for people who have just bought a house or had a baby. They know themselves the work is horrible but they know they have them trapped into it. Those kinds of calculations and motivations in people I find scary qualities.

That is scary that they are looking for people like that.

I know a few people I went to school with who work in fairly normal jobs - waitressing and shops etc and still have kids, a nice home and are happier than others I know who have much more high paying jobs. It's about your own expectations as an individual and this is where personal responsibility comes fully into it.

You don't have to have the McMansion that were popping up during the boom. Lots of people only want them to be keeping up with the Joneses. In reality you need to understand what you want that will make you happy and work towards that. I have never chosen a job solely because it will make me more money. A lot of other factors are higher on my list.

One thing I learnt the horrible hard way is that family, friends and a work life balance is a lot more important than money. If you want kids and a house, you find a way to make that work for you. It might mean compromising on where you live but that's life.

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

That bitterness comes from a place. I never show it back. I would have in the past but it is completely gone towards all people. I do properly hate being around people that I can see a lack of empathy. I'm alright with people who at least struggle morally but those people who do things for money that would make your head spin can **** right off away from me. I don't have bitterness towards them but they make me anxious to be around.

Not fully sure what you mean by this. Do you think that just because people who make money get annoyed when they are told it's just because they are lucky lack empathy? And what do you mean struggle morally?

I worked damn hard for where I am so I don't struggle morally with the money I make or the fact that my career is going well. I've done that for myself and I'm not about to feel bad about it.

Their bitterness may come from a place but that place is not me and that's their own demons to deal with. I can't make them feel better.

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

People will do whatever they want and they only like me trying to find ways to make this mad life thing work for them. At the end of the day, we all live in that thing on top of our heads and how to manage it is different for everyone. I have quite a deep understanding of how someone who looks to have it all can just throw it all away and believe me is a complex equation that I don't think another person could ever understand. You get the things you think will make you happy and they don't, sometimes we only process that subconsciously but it turns you into a bitter person to the world. They are lying to us.

Who are lying to us? In relation to happiness, I read a great book called The Happiness Advantage a few years ago and one thing the author noted was that the trend now is to say "when I get/do x I'll be happy" but when we get to that point we change the goal post to something new so we're never really happy. We're measuring it against something we're always changing. It's about how you look at things. About how you take stock of what you currently have and work to improve but not at the expense of appreciating the things in the present.

WhiteMemento9

witchgirl26 wrote: »

That is scary that they are looking for people like that.

I know a few people I went to school with who work in fairly normal jobs - waitressing and shops etc and still have kids, a nice home and are happier than others I know who have much more high paying jobs. It's about your own expectations as an individual and this is where personal responsibility comes fully into it.

You don't have to have the McMansion that were popping up during the boom. Lots of people only want them to be keeping up with the Joneses. In reality you need to understand what you want that will make you happy and work towards that. I have never chosen a job solely because it will make me more money. A lot of other factors are higher on my list.

One thing I learnt the horrible hard way is that family, friends and a work life balance is a lot more important than money. If you want kids and a house, you find a way to make that work for you. It might mean compromising on where you live but that's life.

Agree with all of this.

witchgirl26 wrote: »

Not fully sure what you mean by this. Do you think that just because people who make money get annoyed when they are told it's just because they are lucky lack empathy? And what do you mean struggle morally?

I worked damn hard for where I am so I don't struggle morally with the money I make or the fact that my career is going well. I've done that for myself and I'm not about to feel bad about it.

Their bitterness may come from a place but that place is not me and that's their own demons to deal with. I can't make them feel better.

You can't make them feel better, well maybe you can in some cases by reaching out but those are your own choices. Success in people in the way you describe yourself is something I love to see in people. People though make bad choices due to the pressures of this world. If I can see people struggle with that morally and I can find goodness in them I can let it go. If I think they don't have that in them then they make me anxious to be around. I have empathy for them as I think they are lost inside themselves chasing shiny things that they think will make them happy without much going on behind it. The other type, the calculated asshole who will do anything to get ahead, I don't even begin to try to understand. It is too dark of a place for me to go.

witchgirl26 wrote: »

Who are lying to us? In relation to happiness, I read a great book called The Happiness Advantage a few years ago and one thing the author noted was that the trend now is to say "when I get/do x I'll be happy" but when we get to that point we change the goal post to something new so we're never really happy. We're measuring it against something we're always changing. It's about how you look at things. About how you take stock of what you currently have and work to improve but not at the expense of appreciating the things in the present.

Agree to some extent but I would write a book if I got started on this question.

Just on the who is lying to us thing. It was suppose to be a joke. I posted a few pages back about not being able to see the sickness in society even when Trump gets to power. People pass it off as something else because we can't have a broken system but that is our society that elected that abhorrent human being. What does that say about us?

witchgirl26

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

You can't make them feel better, well maybe you can in some cases by reaching out but those are your own choices. Success in people in the way you describe yourself is something I love to see in people. People though make bad choices due to the pressures of this world. If I can see people struggle with that morally and I can find goodness in them I can let it go. If I think they don't have that in them then they make me anxious to be around. I have empathy for them as I think they are lost inside themselves chasing shiny things that they think will make them happy without much going on behind it. The other type, the calculated asshole who will do anything to get ahead, I don't even begin to try to understand. It is too dark of a place for me to go.

There's only so much reaching out that can be done. If someone is resentful of what I have, even when they understand how hard I've worked for it, then that really is their own issue. Nothing I say or do will change that view.

I've friends who would not be in as high paying a career as me. They seen me buy something recently that is for them, at the moment, out of reach. They are neither resentful or bitter about it as they know how much effort went into it. Would they like the same? Course, but they're not taking it out on me that it is in their immediate future. On the other hand a couple of acquaintances have made comments like "oh it's well for some isn't it". I can't help them with their attitude.

WhiteMemento9

witchgirl26 wrote: »

There's only so much reaching out that can be done. If someone is resentful of what I have, even when they understand how hard I've worked for it, then that really is their own issue. Nothing I say or do will change that view.

I've friends who would not be in as high paying a career as me. They seen me buy something recently that is for them, at the moment, out of reach. They are neither resentful or bitter about it as they know how much effort went into it. Would they like the same? Course, but they're not taking it out on me that it is in their immediate future. On the other hand a couple of acquaintances have made comments like "oh it's well for some isn't it". I can't help them with their attitude.

I just know life has made those people bitter. I think you are right to some extent that you can't change a person, they truly need to do that themselves. I know the less and less connected they feel to the world only leads them further down that path. When you are completely open and honest with people it is surprising what you get back, sometimes they throw it back in your face and that hurts but I am always happier that I tried.

seannash

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

I had an enlighting conversation with someone recently who said when they interview people for jobs that they actively look for people who have just bought a house or had a baby. They know themselves the work is horrible but they know they have them trapped into it. Those kinds of calculations and motivations in people I find scary qualities.

Whilst I can see how this would be misconstrued as evil and manipulative we have to understand that some jobs require people to do a lot of repetitive tasks and as a result have a high attrition rate.
Looking for someone who will give you a bit of longevity in a role is not bad practice. If they want to upskill and move on they can, or find a job elsewhere they can but if you work in HR or indeed manage a team you want a certain amount of stability so that you are not constantly training new people to replace people who have left.

WhiteMemento9

seannash wrote: »

Whilst I can see how this would be misconstrued as evil and manipulative we have to understand that some jobs require people to do a lot of repetitive tasks and as a result have a high attrition rate.
Looking for someone who will give you a bit of longevity in a role is not bad practice. If they want to upskill and move on they can, or find a job elsewhere they can but if you work in HR or indeed manage a team you want a certain amount of stability so that you are not constantly training new people to replace people who have left.

That is a perfect logical reasoning. What about the person you destroy? I know they have done that to themselves. I'm sorry but whatever helps you sleep at night. It is the problem we explain things away with logic rather than compassion and caring which has led us to this world.

seannash

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

That is a perfect logical reasoning. What about the person you destroy? I know they have done that to themselves. I'm sorry but whatever helps you sleep at night. It is the problem we explain things away with logic rather than compassion and caring which has led us to this world.

How are you destroying someone if they freely interview for the job?
One persons hell might be another person dream job.
For example, I managed a call centre that was recently voted the best place to work in Ireland and 3rd in Europe.
It is without a doubt a brilliant place to work with lots of perks. However the main jobs in here require you to take calls. some Younger people tend to hate it and find it a bit soul destroying (Oversimplifying) where as some older people love it as its a 9 to 5, Monday to Friday with not a huge amount of responsibility if you dont want it.
Which demographic is right? We need a mix of both to keep the office from getting stale.
The decision to take the job is the persons, they can ask what the job entails, what a typical day is before they ever start. We cant be held accountable for them choosing to accept the offer of a job they may hate.

Also needs prevail and people accept jobs they hate to get them out of financial difficulties. Are we horrible people for offering them the job in the first place?

randomrb

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

That is a perfect logical reasoning. What about the person you destroy? I know they have done that to themselves. I'm sorry but whatever helps you sleep at night. It is the problem we explain things away with logic rather than compassion and caring which has led us to this world.

Would you prefer if the person with a family to support didn't get the job?? I don't get your point here at all. If you are offering a job and someone applies for it I don't see how you are destroying a person

WhiteMemento9

seannash wrote: »

How are you destroying someone if they freely interview for the job?
One persons hell might be another person dream job.
For example, I managed a call centre that was recently voted the best place to work in Ireland and 3rd in Europe.
It is without a doubt a brilliant place to work with lots of perks. However the main jobs in here require you to take calls. some Younger people tend to hate it and find it a bit soul destroying (Oversimplifying) where as some older people love it as its a 9 to 5, Monday to Friday with not a huge amount of responsibility if you dont want it.
Which demographic is right? We need a mix of both to keep the office from getting stale.
The decision to take the job is the persons, they can ask what the job entails, what a typical day is before they ever start. We cant be held accountable for them choosing to accept the offer of a job they may hate.

You are completely shifting the conversation. The point was a place that methodically looks for people who will feel so trapped that they will have to keep working a job. Yes the person can extricate themselves from that situation. It doesn't make it any less cold, the world has gone out of its way to **** another person over for their benefit. I have seen people who couldn't dig their way out and what that has done to them.

Why can't they advertise and promote it another way. High burn out Job, good for six months to a year if you need something to get by. Work is tough but we try to provide as good an environment as possible. At least let people go in with their eyes wide open. Not everyone in this world has the same level of clarity, perspective and vision around decisions they make. A small thing is trying to make it easier for those people.

randomrb

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

You are completely shifting the conversation. The point was a place that methodically looks for people who will feel so trapped that they will have to keep working a job. Yes the person can extricate themselves from that situation. It doesn't make it any less cold, the world has gone out of its way to **** another person over for their benefit. I have seen people who couldn't dig their way out and what that has done to them.

Why can't they advertise and promote it another way. High burn out Job, good for six months to a year if you need something to get by. Work is tough but we try to provide as good an environment as possible. At least let people go in with their eyes wide open. Not everyone in this world has the same level of clarity, perspective and vision around decision they make. A small thing is trying to make it easier for those people.

The fact that you put the blame on an employer for trying to keep employees for as long as possible in positions is ridiculous. And before you say anything you are not taking advantage of their situation, you are not forcing them to keep the job, you are not paying them less for a longer contract you are simply employing people who need a job.

If you have an issue with employment in general don;t take it out on employees looking for reliable employees

seannash

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

You are completely shifting the conversation. The point was a place that methodically looks for people who will feel so trapped that they will have to keep working a job. Yes the person can extricate themselves from that situation. It doesn't make it any less cold, the world has gone out of its way to **** another person over for their benefit. I have seen people who couldn't dig their way out and what that has done to them.

Why can't they advertise and promote it another way. High burn out Job, good for six months to a year if you need something to get by. Work is tough but we try to provide as good an environment as possible. At least let people go in with their eyes wide open. Not everyone in this world has the same level of clarity, perspective and vision around decisions they make. A small thing is trying to make it easier for those people.

Perhaps you took things a bit too literally. Company cannot advertise for some who just has had a baby or recently bought a house to apply. If we find these out in the interview its seen as a plus if we want to look for someone who may provide stability to our company.
It does not automatically mean they get the job because we figure we can exploit them. Its merely an indicator.
I'm fairly certain call centre work is well documented as being repetitive and overall has a reputation of being a bit soul destroying.
If you are too young to have heard that opinion you are more than likely not tied down with a mortgage.


Also you say its for the company's benefit but its also for the other employees benefit. Having people leave constantly increases their workload and stress as a result. We have an obligation to bring stability to their workload
also.

Its also not a high burn out job for some, as I said other people love it. Why would I say its high burn out and stop people who may enjoy the job from applying

WhiteMemento9

randomrb wrote: »

The fact that you put the blame on an employer for trying to keep employees for as long as possible in positions is ridiculous. And before you say anything you are not taking advantage of their situation, you are not forcing them to keep the job, you are not paying them less for a longer contract you are simply employing people who need a job.

If you have an issue with employment in general don;t take it out on employees looking for reliable employees

No compassion, no empathy. Yes, corporations and employers are all wonderful people.

WhiteMemento9

seannash wrote: »

Perhaps you took things a bit too literally. Company cannot advertise for some who just has had a baby or recently bought a house to apply. If we find these out in the interview its seen as a plus if we want to look for someone who may provide stability to our company.
It does not automatically mean they get the job because we figure we can exploit them. Its merely an indicator.
I'm fairly certain call centre work is well documented as being repetitive and overall has a reputation of being a bit soul destroying.
If you are too young to have heard that opinion you are more than likely not tied down with a mortgage.


Also you say its for the company's benefit but its also for the other employees benefit. Having people leave constantly increases their workload and stress as a result. We have an obligation to bring stability to their workload
also.

Its also not a high burn out job for some, as I said other people love it. Why would I say its high burn out and stop people who may enjoy the job from applying

I said it all makes logical sense. It has been a means to end as people need jobs, employers need people. A system in which people are exploited in this way to make a few people rich while providing a living to loads of people in a soul-destroying job is a broken system. You only need to look around at the world.

Twenty Grand

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

No compassion, no empathy. Yes, corporations and employers are all wonderful people.

Some jobs are boring and crappy. That's a plain and honest fact.

Is it wrong to hire someone that you believe will stick with the job, over someone who'll leave as soon as they find something better?

Should they not hire anyone at all?

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

I said it all makes logical sense. It has been a means to end as people need jobs, employers need people. A system in which people are exploited in this way to make a few people rich while providing a living to loads of people in a soul-destroying job is a broken system. You only need to look around at the world.

What's your solution?
If you don't want a soul destroying job then don't apply for one. If you're that stuck for work you need one, then work to better yourself. Employers don't want soul destroying jobs as disengaged employees aren't productive. There's been huge attempts to gamify jobs and provide cushy benefits to help staff retention in near all industries.

WhiteMemento9

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Some jobs are boring and crappy. That's a plain and honest fact.

Is it wrong to hire someone that you believe will stick with the job, over someone who'll leave as soon as they find something better?

Should they not hire anyone at all?

I can't fight these fires everywhere so I will have to be done with this thread. You can think about those things yourself. I have pointed out how the world we have created isn't a nice place. I am lucky that I can make it a nice place for myself.That is essentially though for many people at the expense of others, not always but the things people chase to keep this whole charade going are completely false. If people would just wake up to that then we might be able to talk about something better. As I said previous AI and automation may impose these questions. The sense of connection I feel to the pain all around me though is heartbreaking.

seannash

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

I said it all makes logical sense. It has been a means to end as people need jobs, employers need people. A system in which people are exploited in this way to make a few people rich while providing a living to loads of people in a soul-destroying job is a broken system. You only need to look around at the world.

Your failing to see the point I make that not everyone finds it soul destroying yet you want me to decide if someone will or not on their behalf.

Why would I not let them find out if they like it or not.They can find another job if it really is as soul destroying as some people find it or they can try it, might like it and stay.
What else have I to go on other than they showed up for the interview so they must want the job?

WhiteMemento9

seannash wrote: »

Your failing to see the point I make that not everyone finds it soul destroying yet you want me to decide if someone will or not on their behalf.

Why would I not let them find out if they like it or not.They can find another job if it really is as soul destroying as some people find it or they can try it, might like it and stay.
What else have I to go on other than they showed up for the interview so they must want the job?

Of course, I do? I care about people. It kills me to watch the people we have making decisions without compassion and caring. If we could all be nicer to each other and shout down the assholes, instead of holding them up as gods. We can make this a better place to exist for everyone. When you think about the sheer gravity of existence and that you are just passing through this place. That all makes much more sense.

wakka12

Boss left us off early today to go enjoy the sun,said wasn't much work to do, also bought us all ice cream ..the day after I post in this thread! Must have been reading my posts :P

Twenty Grand

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

I can't fight these fires everywhere so I will have to be done with this thread. You can think about those things yourself. I have pointed out how the world we have created isn't a nice place. I am lucky that I can make it a nice place for myself. That is essentially though for many people at the expense of others, not always but the things people chase to keep this whole charade going are completely false. If people would just wake up to that then we might be able to talk about something better. As I said previous AI and automation may impose these questions.

But the world is a fantastic place. We've never been more comfortable.
People are quick to blame everyone else for the state of affairs and not look to themselves as the source of their own unhappiness.

You see from this thread there's many who say "I'd be happy if I had..."
Which begs the question "Why aren't you happy now?"

IMO people are too focussed on the here and now and very unwilling to sacrifice in the short term for long term gains. There's a much bigger picture to look at. We're all going to do 50 years of work. You could have multiple professions in that time, so why restrict yourself to one you're unhappy with?

"Oh but I have a mortgage, and kids and XYZ" So what? You can't do a 4 year course full time, so do 8 years part time. Take advantage of the many many benefits of living in a country with a fantastic social welfare system. Stop making excuses.

WhiteMemento9

wakka12 wrote: »

Boss left us off early today to go enjoy the sun,said wasn't much work to do, also bought us all ice cream ..the day after I post in this thread! Must have been reading my posts :P

Thanks, I got a huge smile out of this post which I think is a nice exit sign. Enjoy the sun.

seannash

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

Of course, I do? I care about people. It kills me to watch the people we have making decisions without compassion and caring. If we could all be nicer to each other and shout down the assholes, instead of holding them up as gods. We can make this a better place to exist for everyone.

Your reasoning is all over the place. For starters you cannot ask an interviewee if they are married or single. Asking about their finacial standing would be incredibly insensitive.

But lets say I did find out that this person has a big mortgage and has been out of work for 3 months. Is it more compassionate to give him a job so that his money worries are gone or not give him the job because he wont enjoy the work??