Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

Frank Bullitt · 25-06-2018 02:25PM

Grosjeans seat has to be on thin ice now. He has a proven fast car in the hands of Mag, but still has no points.

You would wonder, if he were to get the boot or leave, what effect that would have on the driver market. Could spice it up a bit.

Joeface · 25-06-2018 02:29PM

Where would RG go ...Indy Car ?? or no mans land .

Not halfway yet so he has time in the next 2 races to show / earn something for the season . He was sixth in Austria last year a repeat of that would do him the world of good

Frank Bullitt · 25-06-2018 03:12PM

Joeface wrote: »

Where would RG go ...Indy Car ?? or no mans land .

Not halfway yet so he has time in the next 2 races to show / earn something for the season . He was sixth in Austria last year a repeat of that would do him the world of good

Possibly Formula E eventually, that seems to be the safe haven for most now. I hope he doesn't of course, he has had a fair bit of bad luck in all of this.

El_Duderino 09 · 25-06-2018 03:21PM

Joeface wrote: »

Harika wrote: »

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Would it not be , Kimi Leaves Leclerc moves up and Kyvatt (ferrari driver now after all ) drops in to Sauber . Saves money all round . Sauber get someone who can still score points . Kimi doesn't fell bad about a demontion at the end of his F1 time . Sauber continue to take Marus' money .

I wondered if kvyat was hired for his potential to drive for one of the Ferrari teams or his knowledge of the red bull. Surly he has operational info that can help Ferrari.

chicorytip · 25-06-2018 03:48PM

Harika wrote:

Don't think Kyvat brings money and from a PR POV, Kimi makes so much more sense than Kyvat. And Kimi likes to race and with a improved Sauber he will be able to fight for points constantly. And it could be a nice farewell season, with the team he once started.

Not likely. He is a former world champion, after all. Elderly F1 drivers either retire completely or move to a different category. I can't see him commentating for Sky!

skipper_G · 25-06-2018 06:28PM

Should Ferrari choose to promote Leclerc to replace Kimi, why would they bother putting an auld lad (in racing terms) in a race seat at Sauber when they have a young Italian waiting in the reserves.
Kimi goes, Leclerc to Ferrari and Giovinazzi to Sauber makes sense. None whatsoever in Kimi to Sauber

skipper_G · 25-06-2018 06:36PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Grosjeans seat has to be on thin ice now. He has a proven fast car in the hands of Mag, but still has no points.

You would wonder, if he were to get the boot or leave, what effect that would have on the driver market. Could spice it up a bit.

Given his performances this season he should be terrified of losing his seat. If I had to describe his season so far in one word, garbage.
Bad luck is one thing, but his teammate is doing the job with a car that is mostly able to fight for points. Grosjean is making too many mistakes, if he was a potential superstar it could be forgiven but he's not. Haas could easily do better than him

Burkie1203 · 25-06-2018 07:15PM

Joeface wrote: »

Where would RG go ...Indy Car ??

Romain with a concrete wall constantly on his right hand side. Duck

chicorytip · 25-06-2018 10:56PM

skipper_G wrote:

Given his performances this season he should be terrified of losing his seat. If I had to describe his season so far in one word, garbage. Bad luck is one thing, but his teammate is doing the job with a car that is mostly able to fight for points. Grosjean is making too many mistakes, if he was a potential superstar it could be forgiven but he's not. Haas could easily do better than him

His temperament is suspect but he has great ability and is quick when it counts. He has demonstrated this with Lotus and last season with Haas. I really think he could do a great job for Ferrari. I rate him far superior to the likes of Perez, Hulkenburg, Bottas and Magnussen.

Conservatory · 25-06-2018 10:59PM

chicorytip wrote: »

His temperament is suspect but he has great ability and is quick when it counts. He has demonstrated this with Lotus and last season with Haas. I really think he could do a great job for Ferrari. I rate him far superior to the likes of Perez, Hulkenburg, Bottas and Magnussen.

An F1 driver has to be consistent. Being fast for a lap or two, maybe pushing the car over the limit and crashing out a fair bit is hardly grade A material.

skipper_G · 25-06-2018 11:03PM

chicorytip wrote: »

His temperament is suspect but he has great ability and is quick when it counts. He has demonstrated this with Lotus and last season with Haas. I really think he could do a great job for Ferrari. I rate him far superior to the likes of Perez, Hulkenburg, Bottas and Magnussen.

I couldn't agree, he's way too inconsistent and I would question whether he has the mental toughness to be a real contender. The others you list are all better drivers than he is. KMag is the best barometer and he's wiping the floor with Grosjean

Charlie-Bravo · 25-06-2018 11:58PM

Hulkenberg to get a podium this year. I can feel it.

Conservatory · 26-06-2018 12:08AM

astrofluff wrote: »

Hulkenberg to get a podium this year. I can feel it.

They say he’s to big to ever get a top seat. When they were in the same car checo was the better driver by nobody ever gives checo the credit he deserves.

Charlie-Bravo · 26-06-2018 12:12AM

He's doing a really solid job at Renault. Ok, so they can't ballast the car as well as with the little guys, but I'm beginning to see things are shaping up. Any slight improvement in that PU and they'll be in the mix with the others.

RB not opting to take the new MGU-K in Austria, so let's see what the Renault has to offer...

AMKC · 26-06-2018 12:31AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Why would Kimi go to Sauber? To replace Alonso moping at the back of the grid? I think he will retire out of F1 and not go to some team at the back of the grid. Anyway is Ericsson bringing any money to Sauber because he is not shinning in comparison to teammate. I don't mind Perez but I think he has a similar reputation to Alonso and not the same talent. He is not a bad driver but not good enough to overcome other reservations and land in top team. I hope for Leclerc in Ferrari, the only worry I have is the pressure driving for the team brings and I think a little older drivers are a bit better at dealing with it.

Why would Kimi go to Sauber? To replace Alonso moping at the back of the grid?

Sauber are not at the back of the grid anymore do. That is Williams and Mclaren now. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Sauber have clearly shown the last few races that they are now a midfield team and it is great to see. Charles Leclerc has got to be one of the luckiest F1 rockies in a long time. I think Hamilton 2007 was the last time a rookie had a good or great car. A car where you could show your potential and score points or even win races.

Frank Bullitt · 26-06-2018 09:20AM

astrofluff wrote: »

He's doing a really solid job at Renault. Ok, so they can't ballast the car as well as with the little guys, but I'm beginning to see things are shaping up. Any slight improvement in that PU and they'll be in the mix with the others.

RB not opting to take the new MGU-K in Austria, so let's see what the Renault has to offer...

This is why I think Renault could be a big enough player in the driver market. Their car is really improving, and while not a top 3 team (yet), they are a works team and are playing catch up at a reasonable rate to the top teams.

IF...IF Ricciardo leaves RB, then he could easily a seat there, and RB can then pull Sainz back to fill in. OR, if Alonso wants out of McLaren, he would always go back there (this one is the joker in the pack though).

Silly season could get silly.

muckwarrior · 26-06-2018 09:41AM

chicorytip wrote: »

His temperament is suspect but he has great ability and is quick when it counts. He has demonstrated this with Lotus and last season with Haas. I really think he could do a great job for Ferrari. I rate him far superior to the likes of Perez, Hulkenburg, Bottas and Magnussen.

Of those 4 I'd rate Magnussen the lowest and even he's beating Grosjean.

Joeface · 26-06-2018 09:51AM

If Grosjean did loose his seat . Who would Haas take . would it be a Ferrari development driver or are they free to choose .
They are consistant point score , probably should have more , Is it even attractive for any driver to go there . Really the best to hope for is 3rd in a chaos filled race , other than that its 6th-10th

PopePalpatine · 26-06-2018 10:01AM

They'd probably take Leclerc, what's a better way to prepare him for a Ferrari seat than giving him one in what's essentially their old car?

meeeeh · 26-06-2018 10:15AM

AMKC wrote: »

Why would Kimi go to Sauber? To replace Alonso moping at the back of the grid?

Sauber are not at the back of the grid anymore do. That is Williams and Mclaren now. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Sauber have clearly shown the last few races that they are now a midfield team and it is great to see. Charles Leclerc has got to be one of the luckiest F1 rockies in a long time. I think Hamilton 2007 was the last time a rookie had a good or great car. A car where you could show your potential and score points or even win races.

They are still among the bottom teams (only ahead of Williams, majority of points scored by Leclerc) where drivers have to work hard for every point. Which is great for young hungry drivers and a bit less suitable for a driver who hasn't stretched himself in last 5 years. Kimi is a good driver, a very good driver when he is motivated but currently he is in F1 because he hasn't figured yet what else to do. I think drivers who want it more deserve a chance.

Harika · 26-06-2018 10:41AM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

They'd probably take Leclerc, what's a better way to prepare him for a Ferrari seat than giving him one in what's essentially their old car?

Leclerc or Giovanazzi, depending also on the carrier cockpit at Ferrari. I would really wonder when Grosjean keeps this form, that he would retain his cockpit.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 26-06-2018 10:58AM

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Harika · 26-06-2018 11:36AM

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BTW this is a reason why his Indycar adventue might fall flat. Andretti uses Honda and they are not so keen with him, as he didn't say good things about him and he is driving Toyota in LMP.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 26-06-2018 11:46AM

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Jordan 199 · 26-06-2018 12:25PM

Austrian GP will be live on C4 this weekend.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 26-06-2018 12:33PM

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skipper_G · 26-06-2018 12:35PM

AMKC wrote: »

Why would Kimi go to Sauber? To replace Alonso moping at the back of the grid?

Sauber are not at the back of the grid anymore do. That is Williams and Mclaren now. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Sauber have clearly shown the last few races that they are now a midfield team and it is great to see. Charles Leclerc has got to be one of the luckiest F1 rockies in a long time. I think Hamilton 2007 was the last time a rookie had a good or great car. A car where you could show your potential and score points or even win races.

Sauber are on an upward trajectory but you give the car more credit than it deserves. Leclerc is good enough to make it look easy

Adamocovic · 26-06-2018 12:35PM

Said it before, but my word I'm delighted with Leclerc's F1 debut season so far.

4 top 10s in 8 races, and only twice has he finished further back than 13 place. I was lucky enough to see him last year twice in the F2 where he dominated, everyone believed he would go on and perform at F1.

Really hope he continues with this form and can get himself in one of the top cars sooner rather than later!

Adamocovic · 26-06-2018 12:48PM

AMKC wrote: »

Why would Kimi go to Sauber? To replace Alonso moping at the back of the grid?

Sauber are not at the back of the grid anymore do. That is Williams and Mclaren now. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Sauber have clearly shown the last few races that they are now a midfield team and it is great to see. Charles Leclerc has got to be one of the luckiest F1 rockies in a long time. I think Hamilton 2007 was the last time a rookie had a good or great car. A car where you could show your potential and score points or even win races.

Honestly can't see how you can compare the McLaren Hamilton joined to the Sauber Leclerc has.

Hamilton was driving a McLaren that had finished in the top 3 constructors the previous two years prior to his arrival. With Kimi finishing 5th and 2nd as lead driver.

Leclerc joined a team who finished at the bottom 2 in the previous years. Can say all about the Sauber improvements made but nowhere near the level of competitiveness that McLaren was, even if it is blackened with the espionage accusations and subsequent DSQ.

Sauber are exceeding expectations and Leclerc is a big reason for that. He has been one of the most talented young drivers coming through and was smashing records on his journey to the F1.

Also on Rookie Drivers and best cars, if we take the first season they start as their rookie year (not joining half way or towards the end) then surely Ocon in that Force India would be best in recent times. A way more competitive car than the Sauber as of now.

Joeface · 26-06-2018 12:57PM

I think F1 have been lucky with Rookies the last 2 years , Ocon was great last year and Pushed Perez the whole way . Lerclerc this year , and Gasly is in that group as well Making less than competitive cars look competitive is a real sign of talent .

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