1 in 5 homeless are non EU.

McMurphy · 20-06-2018 11:42AM

JustAThought wrote: »

When I lived in Germany and later in Holland as an EU citizen the first thing I had to do was register with the civic authorities and prove that i had the funds to support myself there. This also required multiple trips to the 'alien immigration' where they checked my backgound/legal status and paperwork /criminal records. Once you proved you were a fit and legal and financially solvent member for their society & had a job or means to support yourself or X amount in a bank account then they granted you a local /civic stamp to demonstrate that you were fit to live there and able to financially support yourself. No stamp no landlord or legal lease or job. No handout to live there, no burdening the locals with more taxes to put you up for free at their expense, no free laywers and 2 sets of translators for you. If you could not demonstrate that you were fit for purpose to contribute and move into their community or saw that you would be a social or financial burden they declined you. Saved their communities a lot of costs and welfare tourism burdens. In the same way if you were in france and were a nuisance during your life and your family were a nightmare to live near they might decline permission to have you buried in the local graveyard - not letting your family claim roots or an area association that might encourage or bring futire generations of social problems to the law abiding families there. It makes a lot of sense. Particularly when you see some of the absolute nonsense that goes on in Ireland.

Did the Germans or Dutch take away your right to own paragraphs?

Bit of a wall of text there ^^^^

Graces7 · 20-06-2018 04:15PM

Diceicle wrote: »

From the article...

Is that where the 20% figure comes from?
If it is, its a clumsily worded paragraph that has possibly been misread.

Either way, we shouldn't be housing relatively newly arrived Non-Eu (or even EU for that matter). If you have arrived relatively recently, have no job, or a very low paying one - you and your family need to be returned to wherever your support network resides.

You soon forget the way the US, Canada and Australia accommodated how many Irish who fled the homeland after the Famine.

And what support network when folk are fleeing war etc

See

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2018/0619/971627-people-worldwide-displaced/

judeboy101 · 20-06-2018 04:20PM

super_furry wrote: »

Can I see the evidence for this 1 in 5 homeless are non EU claim? Can’t seem to find that report myself by googling.

I heard it from murph the magicians own mouth on the radio this morn. His attitude was house them first then ask questions later. And he confirmed that the 1in 5 were NOT asylum seekers, but couldn't say who the feck they were.

JustAThought · 20-06-2018 11:18PM

Graces7 wrote: »

You soon forget the way the US, Canada and Australia accommodated how many Irish who fled the homeland after

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2018/0619/971627-people-worldwide-displaced/

They allowed them in once checked for diseases and quarentined . They did not give them any state benefits,"entitlements" to a free house laid for off the backs of those working,nor give them all the handouts we give illegals today -bottomless access to laywers ,free education, free schoolbooks and lunches, bed and board, heat,light and wifi laud, tv's, mobile phones with allowances for bills to ring their friends,medical cards and free medical access etc etc

Dude89 · 20-06-2018 11:45PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

I heard it from murph the magicians own mouth on the radio this morn. His attitude was house them first then ask questions later. And he confirmed that the 1in 5 were NOT asylum seekers, but couldn't say who the feck they were.

They're not "Asylum Seeker's" because they were rejected, they have a leave to remain 5 year visa that entitles them to essentially live here forever claim social services and go on the Council housing list. These visas are discretionary but the number of them been issued have risen 70% in recent times.

corner of hells · 20-06-2018 11:56PM

JustAThought wrote: »

They allowed them in once checked for diseases and quarentined . They did not give them any state benefits,"entitlements" to a free house laid for off the backs of those working,nor give them all the handouts we give illegals today -bottomless access to laywers ,free education, free schoolbooks and lunches, bed and board, heat,light and wifi laud, tv's, mobile phones with allowances for bills to ring their friends,medical cards and free medical access etc etc

Sounds like Utopia.

Give us more information , like where you get your information from.
I'm interested in the mobile phones with allowances .

Atoms for Peace · 21-06-2018 12:09AM

Why do I bother even getting out of bed in the morning? Where's my house and free medical care?

Peregrinus · 21-06-2018 12:23AM

judeboy101 wrote: »

I heard it from murph the magicians own mouth on the radio this morn. His attitude was house them first then ask questions later. And he confirmed that the 1in 5 were NOT asylum seekers, but couldn't say who the feck they were.

Everyone else in the thread says the media are reporting that 1 in 5 of the homeless are not EU nationals, but you're telling us the media is reporting that 1 in 5 are not asylum seekers?

You do realise that's a completely different claim?

oneilla · 21-06-2018 12:28AM

D3V!L wrote: »

I bet they're dole scroungers too ?? Am I right :rolleyes:

They're probably also gay, feminist Muslims :mad:

OneEightSeven · 21-06-2018 12:47AM

Graces7 wrote: »

You soon forget the way the US, Canada and Australia accommodated how many Irish who fled the homeland after the Famine.

And what support network when folk are fleeing war etc

See

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2018/0619/971627-people-worldwide-displaced/

This is just black and white thinking, you're comparing immigration from two very different periods of time. You listed 3 colonial nations who were inviting Europeans over to help colonise the land and have since enacted very strict immigration policies. They also very large countries with plenty of land to divide be the population. Those 3 countries have the largest homes in the world because of the low population density. Ireland is a small country with only one proper city, so a population growth hugely effects the price of land.

There was also no dole, free healthcare or social housing in those countries during the Irish famine years. If you didn't work in 1850s America, you stole or starved.

How did mass immigration work out for the indigenous peoples of Australia, Canada and USA? Not very well and it isn't working out for us because it causing the housing/renting crisis and in future, it will lead to wage stagnation/deprecation just like in the UK, when we have low wage migrant workers and machines competing with the indigenous working class for low skilled jobs.

21-06-2018 08:17AM

Ireland is a small country but our population density is fairly low. Theres plenty of room for more.

The price of land is driven by far more than pop. density.

JustAThought · 21-06-2018 11:24AM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Ireland is a small country but our population density is fairly low. Theres plenty of room for more.

y.

Ireland is a bankrupt nation whose taxpayers are being taxed to the hilt to pay off banking gambling debts. We are borrowing money to change the lightbulbs in the street. Our working poor cannot be expected to fund labour left and communist funancing demands and free houses and lifestyles expectations for the entire globe.

4068ac1elhodqr · 21-06-2018 01:47PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Ireland is a small country but our population density is fairly low. Theres plenty of room for more.

Kazakhstan (x11 lower pop density than Ireland) & Saudi Arabia (x4.5 lower) are both huge oil-rich nations, with way plenty of room for more people.

Algeria has x3.7 lower density too, covers a huge 2,381,741 km2 (Ire is just 70,273 km2), and is ideally located for economic migrants to settle in.

You can get a nice Yurt for next to nothing, a couple of goats and nice patch for growing vegtables, or wee fishing boat without having to worry about all the taxes, stress, fast-food, language, crime and urban pollution of the far NW Eurozone.

megaten · 21-06-2018 02:26PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Forget it they will never believe you, head sand firmly.

How can you expect others to make an effort if your unwilling to make the effort explaining the things you want to talk about?

Wheeliebin30 · 21-06-2018 02:57PM

megaten wrote: »

How can you expect others to make an effort if your unwilling to make the effort explaining the things you want to talk about?

Everything is explained in my op.

Pkiernan · 21-06-2018 03:04PM

It's all Trumps fault .

megaten · 21-06-2018 03:42PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Everything is explained in my op.

Obviously not enough

Billy86 · 21-06-2018 03:50PM

Jesse Scarce Invoice wrote: »

Kazakhstan (x11 lower pop density than Ireland) & Saudi Arabia (x4.5 lower) are both huge oil-rich nations, with way plenty of room for more people.

Algeria has x3.7 lower density too, covers a huge 2,381,741 km2 (Ire is just 70,273 km2), and is ideally located for economic migrants to settle in.

You can get a nice Yurt for next to nothing, a couple of goats and nice patch for growing vegtables, or wee fishing boat without having to worry about all the taxes, stress, fast-food, language, crime and urban pollution of the far NW Eurozone.

Much if those countries are more or less uninhabitable though unless you go to huge lengths to make sure people don't just drop dead from the weather and elements. I've heard similar arguments made about Canada but for the same and opposite reasons, it's not possible without essentially building new cities from scratch for that sole purpose.

Wheeliebin30 · 21-06-2018 04:29PM

megaten wrote: »

Obviously not enough

Obviously for who? You?

JohnMc1 · 21-06-2018 05:08PM

D3V!L wrote: »

I bet they're dole scroungers too ?? Am I right :rolleyes:

75% of the "refugees" that arrived in Germany in 2015 are still on the dole. Its not much of a stretch to expect similar figures here.

megaten · 21-06-2018 05:26PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Obviously for who? You?

For anyone? Not everyones glued to the radio.

4068ac1elhodqr · 21-06-2018 06:33PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Much if those countries are more or less uninhabitable though unless you go to huge lengths to make sure people don't just drop dead from the weather and elements. I've heard similar arguments made about Canada but for the same and opposite reasons, it's not possible without essentially building new cities from scratch for that sole purpose.

Much of Ireland is more or less uninhabitable though unless you go to huge lengths to make massive mortgage payments, planning applications and sheer expense of connecting water, electric, sewage, telephony and so forth.

You could drop dead from the elements whilst trying to build on some waterlogged bogland out west, during our rainy season. A calm -15oC in Ontario Canada is lots nicer than a windy dark humid -5oC. Or out west, BC state is huge and has the same climate NW Europe.

Much easier to to pop up a Yurt in Kazakhstan as the Nomads there have been doing since the dawn of time. Algeria can't be all that bad if 5 star cruise liners choose to stop there and let paying tourists enjoy the lifestyle, beaches, shopping and lovely weather.

it's not possible without essentially building new cities from scratch, for that sole purpose of accomodating new mass migrants (in much more population dense) Ireland. This is unlikley to happen seeing as they can't even house their own, as locals scramble to rent a decent city flat, costing them much of their net salary.

Chinasea · 21-06-2018 06:44PM

Just wondering where your bin men, cleaners, cappuccino makers, hospital minimum wage, crappie jobbers are allowed to live?

Wheeliebin30 · 21-06-2018 06:58PM

Chinasea wrote: »

Just wondering where your bin men, cleaners, cappuccino makers, hospital minimum wage, crappie jobbers are allowed to live?

Doesn’t one ethnic group from outside the country have the highest unemployment rate per head in Ireland?

May Contain Small Parts · 21-06-2018 08:51PM

The lack of humanity displayed in this place never ceases to sadden me.

Chinasea · 21-06-2018 08:52PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Doesn’t one ethnic group from outside the country have the highest unemployment rate per head in Ireland?

Oh and your pizza maker, pizza deliverer, deliveroo complete fleet, chicken ball maker, slaughter house worker, Spar, toxic fumes all day Asian nail and toes varnish painter, well any minimum job.

So any clue as to where they might be allowed to live?

Galwayguy35 · 21-06-2018 09:21PM

Graces7 wrote: »

You soon forget the way the US, Canada and Australia accommodated how many Irish who fled the homeland after the Famine.

And what support network when folk are fleeing war etc

See

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2018/0619/971627-people-worldwide-displaced/

The Irish went to these countries for work and didn't cost them thousands of euro unlike the people we are talking about here.

end of the road · 21-06-2018 11:11PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Irish went to these countries for work and didn't cost them thousands of euro unlike the people we are talking about here.

are you sure about that?

Graces7 · 22-06-2018 09:31AM

OneEightSeven wrote: »

This is just black and white thinking, you're comparing immigration from two very different periods of time. You listed 3 colonial nations who were inviting Europeans over to help colonise the land and have since enacted very strict immigration policies. They also very large countries with plenty of land to divide be the population. Those 3 countries have the largest homes in the world because of the low population density. Ireland is a small country with only one proper city, so a population growth hugely effects the price of land.

There was also no dole, free healthcare or social housing in those countries during the Irish famine years. If you didn't work in 1850s America, you stole or starved.

How did mass immigration work out for the indigenous peoples of Australia, Canada and USA? Not very well and it isn't working out for us because it causing the housing/renting crisis and in future, it will lead to wage stagnation/deprecation just like in the UK, when we have low wage migrant workers and machines competing with the indigenous working class for low skilled jobs.

Any excuse for lack of reality about people in dire need. Any false arguments eg the last one as only immigrants will do the menial work

Any excuse.

Graces7 · 22-06-2018 09:33AM

May Contain Small Parts wrote: »

The lack of humanity displayed in this place never ceases to sadden me.

Lack also of any sense of reality and yes of any true civilisation. Attitudes are back to the "old Ireland" . Not good... Not good at all.

1 in 5 homeless are non EU.

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