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1 in 5 homeless are non EU.

  • 20-06-2018 08:02AM
    #1
    Wheeliebin30
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    How can the government ever solve this problem with figures like that?

    It’s madness.

    Do people not realize once you house these non EU families an influx will happen.

    But hey let’s house everyone who wants a house.

    Why is there never a balanced debate on the people in emergency accommodation?

    All Sinn Fein rant about is how they all need a house of their own, but never any questions asked.


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  • #2
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Sure don't you know...Only fools and horses work


  • #3
    D3V!L
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭D3V!L


    I bet they're dole scroungers too ?? Am I right :rolleyes:


  • #4
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    D3V!L wrote: »
    I bet they're dole scroungers too ?? Am I right :rolleyes:

    Well wouldn’t it be nice if we had some figures to tell?


  • #5
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Youre not allowed ask questions like this or you will be sent for re education.


  • #6
    Kivaro
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    How can the government ever solve this problem with figures like that?


    It feeds the vicious circle.
    With the uncontrolled numbers of economic migrants coming into the country, it will keep the number of people required to be housed by the tax payer at a constant level. The anti-worker parties (SF, AAA, Labour) will scream loudly that nothing is improving; irrespective of the enormous amount of money being spent on social housing.

    This then skews the prices that working people have to pay for rent/mortgages, so the people who deserve a break/help with affordable housing are left out to dry.


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  • #7
    conorhal
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    It feeds the vicious circle.
    With the uncontrolled numbers of economic migrants coming into the country, it will keep the number of people required to be housed by the tax payer at a constant level. The anti-worker parties (SF, AAA, Labour) will scream loudly that nothing is improving; irrespective of the enormous amount of money being spent on social housing.

    This then skews the prices that working people have to pay for rent/mortgages, so the people who deserve a break/help with affordable housing are left out to dry.


    Everybody knows the simple truth that nobody wants to speak.


    You can have a welfare state or you can have mass immigration, but you can't have both.

    Even back as far as 2011 over half of Dublin City councils housing list was foreign.
    https://www.herald.ie/news/over-half-on-housing-list-are-foreign-27973856.html


  • #8
    super_furry
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    Can I see the evidence for this 1 in 5 homeless are non EU claim? Can’t seem to find that report myself by googling.


  • #9
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    super_furry wrote: »
    Can I see the evidence for this 1 in 5 homeless are non EU claim? Can’t seem to find that report myself by googling.

    and the definition of homelessness in this case. Are they people who are sleeping rough or are on a housing list?


  • #10
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    conorhal wrote: »
    You can have a welfare state or you can have mass immigration, but you can't have both.

    Didn't you hear? Ireland is different because we're a grand bunch of lads.
    We can do both at the same time.

    And we will not succumb to the failures of other countries like Germany and Sweden, who have far greater resources than us, when it comes to integration of economic migrants.

    Meanwhile, in the land of reality .................. vulnerable children are left unprotected by our inadequate child protection system, mental health services is crumbling with the resignation of psychiatrists around the country. While we can apparently afford to house all those who come to our shores, psychiatrists have to treat patients in the South East in a building with just a chair, barely blinds on the window and "snails on the walls".

    No to mention the bureaucracy-ladden HSE and the disservice it provides to the people of this country, and the lack of funding for other basic services such as education and infrastructure.

    But we'll make it work, because you know ............. we're a grand bunch of lads.


  • #11
    Your Face
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    Another factually dubious rant from the angry sadsack brigade.


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  • #12
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Yeah still no evidence to back up the claim on which this whole thread is centred...


  • #13
    Wheeliebin30
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    It was stated on newstalk this morning in a conversation about homelessness.


  • #14
    super_furry
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    Right, and such a headline grabbing statistic would be easy to verify surely. I mean if 20% of our homeless are non-EU nationals then that’s surely been confirmed via a study or research.

    Funny thing is, I can’t seem to find any evidence to back up this claim and none has been presented.


  • #15
    ohnonotgmail
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    Maybe we can swap them for the homeless Irish in england?


  • #16
    Peregrinus
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    It was stated on newstalk this morning in a conversation about homelessness.
    Stated by whom? And, whoever they are, how did they know?


  • #17
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    super_furry wrote: »
    Right, and such a headline grabbing statistic would be easy to verify surely. I mean if 20% of our homeless are non-EU nationals then that’s surely been confirmed via a study or research.

    Funny thing is, I can’t seem to find any evidence to back up this claim and none has been presented.

    I can was quite easy with a simple google.

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.thejournal.ie/homeless-charities-non-nationals-3998158-May2018/?amp=1


  • #18
    mcmoustache
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    It was stated on newstalk this morning in a conversation about homelessness.

    By some randomer angry taxi-driver type or by some expert who cited a report?

    It really makes a difference.


  • #19
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,337 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    About one fifth (21%) of families are from outside the EU, many of who “may not have entitlement to housing support”.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/homeless-families-refuse-tenancies-in-private-sector-report-finds-1.3536716


  • #20
    topper75
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    Whatever about facts - just give me balance at least.

    I was kind of shocked this morning on RTÉ radio when they addressed the controversy about dividing families who entered U.S. illegally - they actually had a lady on to bat explaining their position!!

    It's the first time I recall such since Trump was elected president.

    I'm not saying who is right there. I'm saying I want to hear both sides. Esp when I'm paying a licence to fund public broadcasting. We have brains we can make up our own minds if both sides are heard.

    There have been countless pieces on RTÉ that were completely one-sided in respect to homelessness, social housing, and illegal entry. Any dissent is deemed populist or toxic. They have decided for you. Very Orwellian.


  • #21
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    zell12 wrote: »
    About one fifth (21%) of families are from outside the EU, many of who “may not have entitlement to housing support”.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/homeless-families-refuse-tenancies-in-private-sector-report-finds-1.3536716

    Nah I’m lying I heard it in a taxi.

    See this is the stuff that stops the facts getting out, do gooder lefties dismissing this stuff as fantasy and lies.


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  • #22
    super_furry
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    I can was quite easy with a simple google.

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.thejournal.ie/homeless-charities-non-nationals-3998158-May2018/%3famp=1

    Really? Because there’s not a single mention of your figure of 20% there or of your headline grabbing 1 in 5 number.....


  • #23
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    super_furry wrote: »
    Really? Because there’s not a single mention of your figure of 20% there or of your headline grabbing 1 in 5 number.....

    See above.


  • #24
    Peregrinus
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    See above.
    Above where? The story that you link to does not seem to affirm the statistic that you quote. Am I missing it somewhere?


  • #25
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    I can was quite easy with a simple google.

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.thejournal.ie/homeless-charities-non-nationals-3998158-May2018/%3famp=1
    zell12 wrote: »
    About one fifth (21%) of families are from outside the EU, many of who “may not have entitlement to housing support”.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/homeless-families-refuse-tenancies-in-private-sector-report-finds-1.3536716

    Don't know if you should even bother trying to post these links, as undoubtedly the usual contingent will find fault in them; even the well known Department of Housing statistic.

    I have a mental image though of some of these same posters putting their heads back in the sand if they bother to read the reports.


  • #26
    super_furry
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    zell12 wrote: »
    About one fifth (21%) of families are from outside the EU, many of who “may not have entitlement to housing support”.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/homeless-families-refuse-tenancies-in-private-sector-report-finds-1.3536716

    That one there is referring to a smaller section of the homeless picture - entire families and specifically excludes anyone who is not part of that demographic. Single people for example.

    Still waiting to see evidence that ‘1 in 5 homeless are non-EU’


  • #27
    Diceicle
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    From the article...
    Yesterday’s Sunday Independent suggested that senior Housing officials had informed Minister Eoghan Murphy that hundreds of non-EU nationals, who may not be entitled to housing, and as many as 2,000 people in long-term healthcare, may be currently listed as being homeless in error.

    Is that where the 20% figure comes from?
    If it is, its a clumsily worded paragraph that has possibly been misread.

    Either way, we shouldn't be housing relatively newly arrived Non-Eu (or even EU for that matter). If you have arrived relatively recently, have no job, or a very low paying one - you and your family need to be returned to wherever your support network resides.


  • #28
    RandomName2
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Right, and such a headline grabbing statistic would be easy to verify surely. I mean if 20% of our homeless are non-EU nationals then that’s surely been confirmed via a study or research.

    Funny thing is, I can’t seem to find any evidence to back up this claim and none has been presented.

    The only reporting of it was in relation to opposition groups attacking the government for massaging homelessness figures, as the government no longer wished to have as many people listed as being homeless.

    The number of homeless people was just shy of 10,000

    A really confusing line often reported in relation to this is 'as many as 2,000 people in long-term healthcare, may be currently listed as being homeless in error'

    This is probably a copy paste from some government report. Because of context there's the implication that this figure relates to non-eu, and that the 'error' is manufactured by the government, but this is hard to verify. I also don't know what 'long-term healthcare' actually means.

    Edit: Diceicle beat me to it I think


  • #29
    Richard Hillman
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    Heard it also on Newstalk this morning. People crying FAKE NEWS at stuff they don't like.


    Imagine turning up at a high IQ country like Japan or Korea and not being able to house yourself? You'd be on the first flight back to WhoCares-istan.


  • #30
    Wheeliebin30
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Heard it also on Newstalk this morning. People crying FAKE NEWS at stuff they don't like.


    Imagine turning up at a high IQ country like Japan or Korea and not being able to house yourself? You'd be on the first flight back to WhoCares-istan.


    Forget it they will never believe you, head sand firmly.


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  • #31
    JustAThought
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    When I lived in Germany and later in Holland as an EU citizen the first thing I had to do was register with the civic authorities and prove that i had the funds to support myself there. This also required multiple trips to the 'alien immigration' where they checked my backgound/legal status and paperwork /criminal records. Once you proved you were a fit and legal and financially solvent member for their society & had a job or means to support yourself or X amount in a bank account then they granted you a local /civic stamp to demonstrate that you were fit to live there and able to financially support yourself. No stamp no landlord or legal lease or job. No handout to live there, no burdening the locals with more taxes to put you up for free at their expense, no free laywers and 2 sets of translators for you. If you could not demonstrate that you were fit for purpose to contribute and move into their community or saw that you would be a social or financial burden they declined you. Saved their communities a lot of costs and welfare tourism burdens. In the same way if you were in france and were a nuisance during your life and your family were a nightmare to live near they might decline permission to have you buried in the local graveyard - not letting your family claim roots or an area association that might encourage or bring futire generations of social problems to the law abiding families there. It makes a lot of sense. Particularly when you see some of the absolute nonsense that goes on in Ireland.


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