JustAThought wrote: » When I lived in Germany and later in Holland as an EU citizen the first thing I had to do was register with the civic authorities and prove that i had the funds to support myself there. This also required multiple trips to the 'alien immigration' where they checked my backgound/legal status and paperwork /criminal records. Once you proved you were a fit and legal and financially solvent member for their society & had a job or means to support yourself or X amount in a bank account then they granted you a local /civic stamp to demonstrate that you were fit to live there and able to financially support yourself. No stamp no landlord or legal lease or job. No handout to live there, no burdening the locals with more taxes to put you up for free at their expense, no free laywers and 2 sets of translators for you. If you could not demonstrate that you were fit for purpose to contribute and move into their community or saw that you would be a social or financial burden they declined you. Saved their communities a lot of costs and welfare tourism burdens. In the same way if you were in france and were a nuisance during your life and your family were a nightmare to live near they might decline permission to have you buried in the local graveyard - not letting your family claim roots or an area association that might encourage or bring futire generations of social problems to the law abiding families there. It makes a lot of sense. Particularly when you see some of the absolute nonsense that goes on in Ireland.
Diceicle wrote: » From the article... Is that where the 20% figure comes from? If it is, its a clumsily worded paragraph that has possibly been misread. Either way, we shouldn't be housing relatively newly arrived Non-Eu (or even EU for that matter). If you have arrived relatively recently, have no job, or a very low paying one - you and your family need to be returned to wherever your support network resides.
super_furry wrote: » Can I see the evidence for this 1 in 5 homeless are non EU claim? Can’t seem to find that report myself by googling.
Graces7 wrote: » You soon forget the way the US, Canada and Australia accommodated how many Irish who fled the homeland afterhttps://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2018/0619/971627-people-worldwide-displaced/
judeboy101 wrote: » I heard it from murph the magicians own mouth on the radio this morn. His attitude was house them first then ask questions later. And he confirmed that the 1in 5 were NOT asylum seekers, but couldn't say who the feck they were.
JustAThought wrote: » They allowed them in once checked for diseases and quarentined . They did not give them any state benefits,"entitlements" to a free house laid for off the backs of those working,nor give them all the handouts we give illegals today -bottomless access to laywers ,free education, free schoolbooks and lunches, bed and board, heat,light and wifi laud, tv's, mobile phones with allowances for bills to ring their friends,medical cards and free medical access etc etc
D3V!L wrote: » I bet they're dole scroungers too ?? Am I right :rolleyes:
Graces7 wrote: » You soon forget the way the US, Canada and Australia accommodated how many Irish who fled the homeland after the Famine. And what support network when folk are fleeing war etc Seehttps://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2018/0619/971627-people-worldwide-displaced/
Topgear on Dave wrote: » Ireland is a small country but our population density is fairly low. Theres plenty of room for more. y.
Topgear on Dave wrote: » Ireland is a small country but our population density is fairly low. Theres plenty of room for more.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » Forget it they will never believe you, head sand firmly.
megaten wrote: » How can you expect others to make an effort if your unwilling to make the effort explaining the things you want to talk about?
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » Everything is explained in my op.
Jesse Scarce Invoice wrote: » Kazakhstan (x11 lower pop density than Ireland) & Saudi Arabia (x4.5 lower) are both huge oil-rich nations, with way plenty of room for more people. Algeria has x3.7 lower density too, covers a huge 2,381,741 km2 (Ire is just 70,273 km2), and is ideally located for economic migrants to settle in. You can get a nice Yurt for next to nothing, a couple of goats and nice patch for growing vegtables, or wee fishing boat without having to worry about all the taxes, stress, fast-food, language, crime and urban pollution of the far NW Eurozone.
megaten wrote: » Obviously not enough
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » Obviously for who? You?
Billy86 wrote: » Much if those countries are more or less uninhabitable though unless you go to huge lengths to make sure people don't just drop dead from the weather and elements. I've heard similar arguments made about Canada but for the same and opposite reasons, it's not possible without essentially building new cities from scratch for that sole purpose.
Chinasea wrote: » Just wondering where your bin men, cleaners, cappuccino makers, hospital minimum wage, crappie jobbers are allowed to live?
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » Doesn’t one ethnic group from outside the country have the highest unemployment rate per head in Ireland?
Galwayguy35 wrote: » The Irish went to these countries for work and didn't cost them thousands of euro unlike the people we are talking about here.
OneEightSeven wrote: » This is just black and white thinking, you're comparing immigration from two very different periods of time. You listed 3 colonial nations who were inviting Europeans over to help colonise the land and have since enacted very strict immigration policies. They also very large countries with plenty of land to divide be the population. Those 3 countries have the largest homes in the world because of the low population density. Ireland is a small country with only one proper city, so a population growth hugely effects the price of land. There was also no dole, free healthcare or social housing in those countries during the Irish famine years. If you didn't work in 1850s America, you stole or starved. How did mass immigration work out for the indigenous peoples of Australia, Canada and USA? Not very well and it isn't working out for us because it causing the housing/renting crisis and in future, it will lead to wage stagnation/deprecation just like in the UK, when we have low wage migrant workers and machines competing with the indigenous working class for low skilled jobs.
May Contain Small Parts wrote: » The lack of humanity displayed in this place never ceases to sadden me.
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