Dublin - BusConnects

LXFlyer · 12-06-2018 8:17am

Dardania wrote: »

I wonder, will reminding people that they still have back gardens help? And maybe throwing some money at triple glazing to deal with upcoming noise complaints...

I think you’re rather naive if you think that’s going to work politically.

CatInABox · 12-06-2018 8:21am

Haha, a double whammy for the St Mobhi Road residents, first metrolink, now this:

Ballymun to city centre
Botanic Road, Glasnevin Hill and Ballymun Road: to allow a bus lane in each direction on St Mobhi Road while maintaining existing trees along this street, outbound general traffic could be routed via Botanic Road, Glasnevin Road and Ballymun Road. St Mobhi Road would become one-way southbound for general traffic while allowing residents to also access the road in the northbound direction by using the bus lane.

Kind of thought that they had some plan in mind when they recommended the Metrolink TBM site should be there.

LeinsterDub · 12-06-2018 8:25am

marno21 wrote: »

BusConnects public consultation document:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4501387-Bus-Connects-Report-June-2018.html

IMO, the Ballymun-CC is highly questionable. Shadowing the Metrolink route along most of its route. Sure it'll provide feed to Metrolink but is it really that much of a requirement? It'll also make Mobhi Road one way, which, given the reaction to the Metro plan, likely will get politically kyboshed.

An awful lot of road closures to general traffic proposed, either in full or one way. It'll be interesting to see the reaction to this.

ML is over a decade away, plus we'll get the cycling infrastructure. We can't leave out a key route in the hope ML will actual be built.

Dardania · 12-06-2018 8:26am

LXFlyer wrote: »

Dardania wrote: »

I wonder, will reminding people that they still have back gardens help? And maybe throwing some money at triple glazing to deal with upcoming noise complaints...

I think you’re rather naive if you think that’s going to work politically.

I like to term it optimism ;-)
It's a political bomb.

LXFlyer · 12-06-2018 8:29am

The mass closure of sections of certain corridors to general traffic is also going to be a political bomb - that’s going to be really difficult to push through!

matrim · 12-06-2018 8:47am

CatInABox wrote: »

Haha, a double whammy for the St Mobhi Road residents, first metrolink, now this:

Kind of thought that they had some plan in mind when they recommended the Metrolink TBM site should be there.

Botanic road is already a pain (especially after the closure of walsh road) and residents are already complaining that it is a carpark at peak times. I don't see how they can push more traffic onto it and not expect major push back.

CatInABox · 12-06-2018 9:08am

I wonder will they try and do the Merrion Gates project under this umbrella, it's listed as a specific challenge on the Blackrock to Merrion route.

TheIrishGrover · 12-06-2018 10:09am

Is there a single person who believes that a single blade of grass will be turned on this project? One single person in this entire country? How many times have we seen variations? They will spend between 25 and 50 million over next 4 years planning, proposing, re-proposing, replanning before scrapping

I've been living Hartstown/Huntstown area for 20 years. Since I moved to Dublin and I used to pay attention to these "plans". About 20 years ago I remember telling a friend who was visiting about the plans to make Cabra section buses/residents only. "Will be good. Apparently in next 3 years or so".

At this stage it's just a case of we have a few million to blow. Let's get some engineers a few jobs for 5 years. It's not like we are actually going to action their plans. Just makes me roll my eyes at another waste of money on a vapour project that will never NEVER materialise. EVER

Bray Head · 12-06-2018 10:12am

A few thoughts:

With a few exceptions the corridors chosen tend to make sense and don't duplicate rail-based infrastructure
There are very few specifics on integrated ticketing, contactless payment and the like. There is a big amount of low-hanging fruit here and much of this could happen before the roadworks start. I hope this gets prioritised.
It's a huge pity that there is not a commitment to reducing the number of bus stops and consistently using the middle doors. This is actually politically easier than CPO-ing gardens.
Some of the cycle lanes proposed involve lengthy diversions. Most cyclists (I speak as one) will ignore these. It would be better to accept that cyclists will take the most direct route. If you really want to be radical then have some bus-only bus lanes.
More bus lanes is a big free gift to taxi drivers. There needs to be a serious debate about having either taxi-free bus lanes, or charging taxis for their use.
The real debate will begin when the detailed plans are released in September/October

Heartbreak Hank · 12-06-2018 10:26am

An overview from the Irish Times

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-bus-upgrade-plan-what-you-need-to-know-1.3527158

loyatemu · 12-06-2018 10:47am

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Is there a single person who believes that a single blade of grass will be turned on this project? One single person in this entire country? How many times have we seen variations? They will spend between 25 and 50 million over next 4 years planning, proposing, re-proposing, replanning before scrapping

I think we'll see piecemeal implementation of the less contentious bits. Possibly this will highlight the remaining pinch points and provide some political impetus to fix those, but the sort of big bang approach suggested in the document seems doomed to failure.

loyatemu · 12-06-2018 10:50am

Bray Head wrote: »

A few thoughts:
Some of the cycle lanes proposed involve lengthy diversions. Most cyclists (I speak as one) will ignore these. It would be better to accept that cyclists will take the most direct route. If you really want to be radical then have some bus-only bus lanes.

aye - I cycle through Shankill on my way into town, I'd happily take an off-road lane if it was direct and didn't involve stopping at every little junction, but what they're suggesting sounds like it could add 10 minutes to the journey. I'll still be going through the village so.

Effects · 12-06-2018 11:26am

loyatemu wrote: »

What they're suggesting sounds like it could add 10 minutes to the journey. I'll still be going through the village so.

Maybe it would be less stressful so the 10 minutes might be worth it?

loyatemu · 12-06-2018 12:09pm

Effects wrote: »

Maybe it would be less stressful so the 10 minutes might be worth it?

I'm all for more cycling infrastructure as it does encourage more people to cycle.

Regular cyclists won't use it though if it involves long indirect detours, loss of priority etc.

bk · 12-06-2018 12:22pm

Overall, and obviously without having the detail plans, this looks like a fantastic overall plan.

The plan is looking for across the board 40 to 50% reduction in bus journey times, great.

Most corridors look like journey times of 30 minutes or less (for the full length of the corridor).

If all this happened it would really solve so many of Dublins transport problems.

Of course the issue is the damn NIMBY's will now crawl out of the wood work and complain and moan. But really we need to get over our aversion to doing major infrastructure development and the necessary CPOing it always requires and facing down of planning complaints that usually come with it.

Their is no other choice if we want our city and country to continue to grow, expand and be successful.

Dardania · 12-06-2018 12:26pm

bk wrote: »

Overall, and obviously without having the detail plans, this looks like a fantastic overall plan.

The plan is looking for across the board 40 to 50% reduction in bus journey times, great.

Most corridors look like journey times of 30 minutes or less (for the full length of the corridor).

If all this happened it would really solve so many of Dublins transport problems.

Of course the issue is the damn NIMBY's will now crawl out of the wood work and complain and moan. But really we need to get over our aversion to doing major infrastructure development and the necessary CPOing it always requires and facing down of planning complaints that usually come with it.

Their is no other choice if we want our city and country to continue to grow, expand and be successful.

I think we can coin a new term - NIMFY!

Effects · 12-06-2018 12:40pm

loyatemu wrote: »

Regular cyclists won't use it though if it involves long indirect detours, loss of priority etc.

My biggest issue with the canal bike path is the amount of stops is too frequent.

prunudo · 12-06-2018 1:13pm

As with Metrolink, RTE leading with the story on how it will inconvenience 1300 home owners yet not the benefit it will have on hundreds of thousand public transport users.

Bray Head · 12-06-2018 1:16pm

jvan wrote: »

As with Metrolink, RTE leading with the story on how it will inconvenience 1300 home owners yet not the benefit it will have on hundreds of thousand public transport users.

Judging by the state of a lot of front gardens (think Drumcondra or Harold's X) a lot of housing along these routes is already in the private rented sector.

A lot of landlords will be quite happy with a payout and tenants are unlikely to be motivated objectors.

Dardania · 12-06-2018 1:18pm

jvan wrote: »

As with Metrolink, RTE leading with the story on how it will inconvenience 1300 home owners yet not the benefit it will have on hundreds of thousand public transport users.

Who are their listeners/reader - older people in the affected houses in these settled areas, or those that are travelling past everyday on their arduous commutes...

12-06-2018 1:25pm

I think announcing all the routes at the same time was a mistake. Announce one route with a very firm implementation plan. Make that a success and then announce a second tranche of routes having

a) Successfully navigated the CPO process

&

b) Having hard evidence to show the meaningful difference a busconnects route makes to social welfare

As other posters have already said, announcing the whole plan seems like yet another pointless PR exercise that will not be matched by action.

marno21 · 12-06-2018 1:25pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

To be fair Marno21, the reality is that the required CPO activity is going to be the major political issue here as I’ve warned all along. It’s one thing saying you’re going to spend €2 billion on the bus network, but it’s a whole different ball game when it involves mass purchase of private property, particularly front gardens! This element would have gone over most people’s heads when the project was launched originally.

It’s on a much greater scale than Metrolink and I can see this dragging on through the courts for some time.

They need to get the politicians on side for this, otherwise this will end up being scaled back to more half measures.

If I’m honest, despite being pro-public transport all of my life, I think that when the reality of losing direct bus services for their journey dawns on people, and combined with this scale of CPO work, this project is going to end up being mired in objections and the courts and many of the proposals canned.

The outer orbital elements have probably the best chance of success given that most of the routes are wide enough as it is.

Yes, but what I was saying is that this is the usual racket we hear whenever plans are published for any infrastructure project in this country. The media reporting on the evil NTA rubbing their hands with glee at the though of robbing the gardens of 1,300 homes. The same media will be the first to report on public transport issues in Dublin.

See here again: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-bus-routes-a-repeat-of-na-fianna-style-mistake-says-rock-1.3527694

A lot of positive reaction in the above article but the headline references a negative contribution - from Noel Rock giving out that homeowners weren't told about this, when this is the first time it has been published, in any shape or form and likely individual CPOs haven't been decided upon yet - this is a public consultation which he doesn't understand, the plans are not finalised yet and nobody will be CPOd - the public even have a chance to respond with whatever they wish - this isn't China or Russia, this is a fairly transparent process.

Once again the media showing their complicity in the lack of infrastructure development in Ireland by right from the outset portraying all development as bad and creating an atmosphere of fear around the project. They are as much to blame, if not more to blame, than the political system.

Qrt · 12-06-2018 1:27pm

Bray Head wrote: »

Judging by the state of a lot of front gardens (think Drumcondra or Harold's X) a lot of housing along these routes is already in the private rented sector.

A lot of landlords will be quite happy with a payout and tenants are unlikely to be motivated objectors.

Exactly. I got the 16 from the airport a few Sundays ago, and Drumcondra Rd (if that's the name, the road with Drumcondra station on it) was clearly full of rental accomodation. A lot of early/mid-20s Portuguese-speakers got on the bus too, reiterating the point.

Dardania · 12-06-2018 1:42pm

marno21 wrote: »

LXFlyer wrote: »

To be fair Marno21, the reality is that the required CPO activity is going to be the major political issue here as I’ve warned all along. It’s one thing saying you’re going to spend €2 billion on the bus network, but it’s a whole different ball game when it involves mass purchase of private property, particularly front gardens! This element would have gone over most people’s heads when the project was launched originally.

It’s on a much greater scale than Metrolink and I can see this dragging on through the courts for some time.

They need to get the politicians on side for this, otherwise this will end up being scaled back to more half measures.

If I’m honest, despite being pro-public transport all of my life, I think that when the reality of losing direct bus services for their journey dawns on people, and combined with this scale of CPO work, this project is going to end up being mired in objections and the courts and many of the proposals canned.

The outer orbital elements have probably the best chance of success given that most of the routes are wide enough as it is.

Yes, but what I was saying is that this is the usual racket we hear whenever plans are published for any infrastructure project in this country. The media reporting on the evil NTA rubbing their hands with glee at the though of robbing the gardens of 1,300 homes. The same media will be the first to report on public transport issues in Dublin.

See here again: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-bus-routes-a-repeat-of-na-fianna-style-mistake-says-rock-1.3527694

A lot of positive reaction in the above article but the headline references a negative contribution - from Noel Rock giving out that homeowners weren't told about this, when this is the first time it has been published, in any shape or form and likely individual CPOs haven't been decided upon yet - this is a public consultation which he doesn't understand, the plans are not finalised yet and nobody will be CPOd - the public even have a chance to respond with whatever they wish - this isn't China or Russia, this is a fairly transparent process.

Once again the media showing their complicity in the lack of infrastructure development in Ireland by right from the outset portraying all development as bad and creating an atmosphere of fear around the project. They are as much to blame, if not more to blame, than the political system.

Very fair point regarding negative media reporting - it must be against their editorial guidelines surely?

Regarding setting an example and espousing the benefits, would the 46A route partially perform that function?

LXFlyer · 12-06-2018 1:46pm

marno21 wrote: »

Yes, but what I was saying is that this is the usual racket we hear whenever plans are published for any infrastructure project in this country. The media reporting on the evil NTA rubbing their hands with glee at the though of robbing the gardens of 1,300 homes. The same media will be the first to report on public transport issues in Dublin.

See here again: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-bus-routes-a-repeat-of-na-fianna-style-mistake-says-rock-1.3527694

A lot of positive reaction in the above article but the headline references a negative contribution - from Noel Rock giving out that homeowners weren't told about this, when this is the first time it has been published, in any shape or form and likely individual CPOs haven't been decided upon yet - this is a public consultation which he doesn't understand, the plans are not finalised yet and nobody will be CPOd - the public even have a chance to respond with whatever they wish - this isn't China or Russia, this is a fairly transparent process.

Once again the media showing their complicity in the lack of infrastructure development in Ireland by right from the outset portraying all development as bad and creating an atmosphere of fear around the project. They are as much to blame, if not more to blame, than the political system.

Absolutely agree but I really do fear that this project will end up being bastardised unless politicians get behind it.

Totally agree about Noel Rock and Mannix Flynn - utter nonsense to expect detail at this stage when we are at a high level launch.

schemingbohemia · 12-06-2018 1:48pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

To be fair Marno21, the reality is that the required CPO activity is going to be the major political issue here as I’ve warned all along. It’s one thing saying you’re going to spend €2 billion on the bus network, but it’s a whole different ball game when it involves mass purchase of private property, particularly front gardens! This element would have gone over most people’s heads when the project was launched originally.

It’s on a much greater scale than Metrolink and I can see this dragging on through the courts for some time.

They need to get the politicians on side for this, otherwise this will end up being scaled back to more half measures.

If I’m honest, despite being pro-public transport all of my life, I think that when the reality of losing direct bus services for their journey dawns on people, and combined with this scale of CPO work, this project is going to end up being mired in objections and the courts and many of the proposals canned.

The outer orbital elements have probably the best chance of success given that most of the routes are wide enough as it is.

What's the alternative though? More piecemeal bits that don't really attract people out of their cars? Waiting on DU (which still won't help people in SW Dublin)?

It will be difficult but it has to be done, not helped by Noel Rock jumping in (again) hyping fake news about additional land-take.

marno21 · 12-06-2018 2:06pm

Mannix Flynn was on Newstalk this morning on BusConnects. A new level of drivel.

Dublin City is chock a block so this won't work
This will lead to routes being sold off to private bus operators
The usual anti NTA guff

https://www.newstalk.com/listen_back/13240/45470/12th_June_2018_-_The_Pat_Kenny_Show_Part_2/

LXFlyer · 12-06-2018 2:38pm

schemingbohemia wrote: »

What's the alternative though? More piecemeal bits that don't really attract people out of their cars? Waiting on DU (which still won't help people in SW Dublin)?

It will be difficult but it has to be done, not helped by Noel Rock jumping in (again) hyping fake news about additional land-take.

Underground is ultimately the only realistic option for the south central corridors.

Massive CPO activity as this requires is likely to be stuck in the courts for years to come.

This will in all likelihood end up being implemented piecemeal unfortunately.

With local (and possibly general) elections in 2019 this is going to be difficult to force through.

LXFlyer · 12-06-2018 2:40pm

marno21 wrote: »

Mannix Flynn was on Newstalk this morning on BusConnects. A new level of drivel.

Dublin City is chock a block so this won't work
This will lead to routes being sold off to private bus operators
The usual anti NTA guff

https://www.newstalk.com/listen_back/13240/45470/12th_June_2018_-_The_Pat_Kenny_Show_Part_2/

Scary stuff. Utter populist bunkum.

bk · 12-06-2018 2:50pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

Underground is ultimately the only realistic option for the south central corridors.

Any SW tunnel will also require lots of CPO's (for stations, likely whole homes and not just gardens) and years of massive disruption as it is built.

Of course I think that is a cost well worth it. But I think we need to start realising that underground doesn't come without disruption, CPO's and objections either.

LXFlyer · 12-06-2018 2:55pm

bk wrote: »

Any SW tunnel will also require lots of CPO's (for stations, likely whole homes and not just gardens) and years of massive disruption as it is built.

Of course I think that is a cost well worth it. But I think we need to start realising that underground doesn't come without disruption, CPO's and objections either.

It does of course come with all of those negatives (I never suggested otherwise), but the benefits are massive by comparison.

I simply do not see the proposed road closures to general traffic actually happening in the south central areas - politically it’s a massive political time bomb. Therefore i see this as really just tinkering around the edges realistically.

Sorry for being unduly negative, but this has massive political ramifications.

Stephen15 · 12-06-2018 5:43pm

Deedsie wrote: »

How likely/unlikely is the route from clondalkin to Drimnagh to meet serious objection? Are any of the routes relatively straightforward or are they all contentious?

Less likely than others I would imagine it will be the richer areas that will object. People living in council houses won't kick up a fuss unless they remove buses from their doorstep the people that will object will be the ones living in the more leafy suburbs.

Stephen15 · 12-06-2018 5:53pm

I was in town today a lot of dangerous behaviour from cyclists between buses, trams and cars. Saw one guy on a delivery bike trying to squeeze between the Luas and the kerb on College Green and another woman weaving between cars and buses on Nassau St. before preceeding to cycle up the blind spot of a bus pulling out. Alsò bus stops on Nassau Street were being blocked by private coaches.

ncounties · 12-06-2018 6:07pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

I was in town today a lot of dangerous behaviour from cyclists between buses, trams and cars. Saw one guy on a delivery bike trying to squeeze between the Luas and the kerb on College Green and another woman weaving between cars and buses on Nassau St. before preceeding to cycle up the blind spot of a bus pulling out. Alsò bus stops on Nassau Street were being blocked by private coaches.

What are you highlighting? The lack of infrastructure for cyclists, or the dangerous situations they are put in as a result?

There is only one criticism I have of cyclists, they rarely stop for traffic lights.

Stephen15 · 12-06-2018 6:17pm

ncounties wrote: »

What are you highlighting? The lack of infrastructure for cyclists, or the dangerous situations they are put in as a result?

There is only one criticism I have of cyclists, they rarely stop for traffic lights.

I agree that there is a bad cycling infrastructructure in this city but I do feel cyclists take a lot of risks and behave dangerously. What I also don't like if in the unfortunate event a cyclist was hit it would always be the car or bus driver that would be at fault despite the fact the cyclist is putting themselves under unesscary risk.

Sam Russell · 12-06-2018 6:17pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Alsò bus stops on Nassau Street were being blocked by private coaches.

This is a serious problem. Coaches stop, disgorge their tourists and then park for the next hour. They should be required to move as soon as they are empty, and should be restricted to 'Coach stops', far from the bus stops.

Bus passengers, waiting, are unable to see their bus approaching and have to make risky sorties into the road to see and hail their bus.

Qrt · 12-06-2018 6:20pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

I agree that there is a bad cycling infrastructructure in this city but I do feel cyclists take a lot of risks and behave dangerously. What I also don't like if in the unfortunate event a cyclist was hit it would always be the car or bus driver that would be at fault despite the fact the cyclist is putting themselves under unesscary risk.

Those type of laws don't exist anywhere in the world. Some Dutch TD-equivalent made merely a proposal for something like that in the late 90s-early 00s and I'm fairly sure it was dismissed straight away.

Stephen15 · 12-06-2018 6:22pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

This is a serious problem. Coaches stop, disgorge their tourists and then park for the next hour. They should be required to move as soon as they are empty, and should be restricted to 'Coach stops', far from the bus stops.

Bus passengers, waiting, are unable to see their bus approaching and have to make risky sorties into the road to see and hail their bus.

This bus happened to be picking up passengers but it was blocking a 4 from getting in at it's stop

LXFlyer · 12-06-2018 6:33pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

This is a serious problem. Coaches stop, disgorge their tourists and then park for the next hour. They should be required to move as soon as they are empty, and should be restricted to 'Coach stops', far from the bus stops.

Bus passengers, waiting, are unable to see their bus approaching and have to make risky sorties into the road to see and hail their bus.

The lack of sufficient coach parking for tour coaches and the lack of a proper second bus station with facilities for interurban coaches is a real problem.

This causes serious risks for city bus users on Nassau St, College Green and Westmoreland St every day, and frankly is an accident waiting to happen.

Part of BusConnects should be a safety audit of every stop in the city (including the frequency of stops and culling where appropriate).

BonnieSituation · 12-06-2018 6:53pm

Noel Rock used NIMFY on his last word chat after Anne Graham uhmmed her way through an explanation of Busconnects.

He reads Boards it seems.

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Anyway, I'm still coming off a frustration headache after listening to the absolute bollox that was spouted.

If this is the height of political engagement, and he's the only one I've seen today well then you can forget about this plan.

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Another nail in my Dublin coffin. Place is eating itself and any positive moves are being shut down from the beginning.

Eugh.

Hurrache · 12-06-2018 6:58pm

ncounties wrote: »

There is only one criticism I have of cyclists, they rarely stop for traffic lights.

And it's wrong, it's been shown they obey traffic lights, within Dublin, more than motorists do.

Stephen15 · 12-06-2018 7:04pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

The lack of sufficient coach parking for tour coaches and the lack of a proper second bus station with facilities for interurban coaches is a real problem.

This causes serious risks for city bus users on Nassau St, College Green and Westmoreland St every day, and frankly is an accident waiting to happen.

Part of BusConnects should be a safety audit of every stop in the city (including the frequency of stops and culling where appropriate).

There is but they won't use it as it's only open from 7-7

https://www.dublininquirer.com/2018/05/01/use-of-new-e1-7-million-coach-park-negligible-says-council-official/

devnull · 12-06-2018 7:06pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Another nail in my Dublin coffin. Place is eating itself and any positive moves are being shut down from the beginning.

Eugh.

Does it really surprise you though?

You are kidding yourself if you think that people are just going to sit up and that they will accept that things need to change for them to get better. You have some people who think that things cannot be better as they are already fine as they know nothing better as well.

Then you have the crowd who say that there is no way they should lose lanes on their roads when there is such poor public transport that it will make the traffic so much worse with no alternative. They seem to believe that all that will change is that there will be less road space for cars and public transport will be as bad as it is now.

People don't like change and this is a pretty big one.

12-06-2018 7:08pm

Hurrache wrote: »

And it's wrong, it's been shown they obey traffic lights, within Dublin, more than motorists do.

As a proportion or as an absolute number? (or both!)

Hurrache · 12-06-2018 7:12pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As a proportion or as an absolute number? (or both!)

Details are here, 1-8 in a survey by the RSA across Ireland, a small minority, http://irishcycle.com/2016/05/26/only-1-in-8-cyclists-run-red-lights-says-study-of-60-irish-junctions/

Can't find the other which I think was solely based on Dublin.

LXFlyer · 12-06-2018 7:13pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

There is but they won't use it as it's only open from 7-7

https://www.dublininquirer.com/2018/05/01/use-of-new-e1-7-million-coach-park-negligible-says-council-official/

I’m talking about locations to load/unload - not layover facilities (which should be free to use in any case). There isn’t sufficient provision for tour coaches to load/unload in the city centre without disrupting the city bus service.

Having interurban coach services loading and unloading on-street isn’t right either - we badly need a second independently managed bus station with proper facilities for them.

LXFlyer · 12-06-2018 7:17pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Noel Rock used NIMFY on his last word chat after Anne Graham uhmmed her way through an explanation of Busconnects.

He reads Boards it seems.

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Anyway, I'm still coming off a frustration headache after listening to the absolute bollox that was spouted.

If this is the height of political engagement, and he's the only one I've seen today well then you can forget about this plan.

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Another nail in my Dublin coffin. Place is eating itself and any positive moves are being shut down from the beginning.

Eugh.

The NTA frankly are appalling at promoting the positive impact of this and other schemes within the media - they don’t have any good PR people and it is showing.

Again and again idiotic comments by opponents of the various schemes or uninformed politicians get away unchallenged in the media due to the NTA frankly being incapable of promoting these projects properly.

marno21 · 12-06-2018 7:21pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

The NTA frankly are appalling at promoting the positive impact of this and other schemes within the media - they don’t have any good PR people and it is showing.

Again and again idiotic comments by opponents of the various schemes or uninformed politicians get away unchallenged in the media due to the NTA frankly being incapable of promoting these projects properly.

They badly need a Barry Kenny type character

Given the large role the NTA have now it is becoming a requirement

devnull · 12-06-2018 7:24pm

marno21 wrote: »

They badly need a Barry Kenny type character

Given the large role the NTA have now it is becoming a requirement

I don't like Barry Kenny because he does bluster a lot about stuff and that can come across as annoying for a mere public transport commuter like me.

However you have to admit what he does is pretty effective from an IE point of view.

ncounties · 12-06-2018 7:26pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Details are here, 1-8 in a survey by the RSA across Ireland, a small minority, http://irishcycle.com/2016/05/26/only-1-in-8-cyclists-run-red-lights-says-study-of-60-irish-junctions/

Can't find the other which I think was solely based on Dublin.

You are telling me more than 1 in 8 drivers at traffic lights go through a red? Nonsense, and the article doesn't substantiate your claim either.

As a Dublin Driver and Cyclist (owner of a road bike and user of Dublin Bikes) I am routinely the only person on bicycle at a red that obeys the red - particularly if there is no traffic flowing through the green.

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