Kimmage at it again

clint_silver · 11-06-2018 8:22am #1

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/paul-kimmage-why-is-no-one-being-held-to-account-in-the-gaa-36993655.html

3rd or 4th hack at the gaa in recent weeks.

"Four weeks ago, we reported that St Mary's in Athenry had been ordered to suspend their juvenile hurling and football programme - that's 18 juvenile teams who haven't played in over a month. But nobody is interested. There hasn't been a word in any of the papers or on any radio stations.

A week ago, we posted a list of important questions for the árd Stiúrthóir Tom Ryan but the silence, again, has been deafening. And who can blame him?

Why take responsibility when nobody holds you responsible? Why be accountable when nobody holds you to account? It's how the GAA do business."

Does he want the GAA to be accountable to him? Who does he want them to be responsible to?

Poor_old_gill · 11-06-2018 8:32am

Kimmage comes from (and loves) a sport that is synonimus with corruption and is probably teh dirtiest sport in the world- he is and will continue to take swipes at all and sundry on his quest to expose other sports and thus, in some relative way, restor some credibility to cycling

Tell me how · 11-06-2018 8:33am

clint_silver wrote:

Does he want the GAA to be accountable to him?

No.

clint_silver wrote:

Who does he want them to be responsible to?

Their members. All of them.

Tell me how · 11-06-2018 8:38am

Poor_old_gill wrote:

Kimmage comes from (and loves) a sport that is synonimus with corruption and is probably teh dirtiest sport in the world- he is and will continue to take swipes at all and sundry on his quest to expose other sports and thus, in some relative way, restor some credibility to cycling

He's not making these stories up though is he.

If he wants cycling to look better than everything else, why has he written so much about the troubles in that sport?

He just wants fair and honest participants and administrators and whenever he points out any shortcomings in either respect, he's accused of having an agenda.

Heres Johnny · 11-06-2018 8:39am

It's just gaa season so it's topical and he goes after it. When rugby season is on he goes after it too. He's a great writer but he is a moan. Seems bitter, if he could write a positive story I would read him all day

Poor_old_gill · 11-06-2018 8:43am

Tell me how wrote: »

He's not making these stories up though is he.

If he wants cycling to look better than everything else, why has he written so much about the troubles in that sport?

He just wants fair and honest participants and administrators and whenever he points out any shortcomings in either respect, he's accused of having an agenda.

He has banged the drum about doping in rugby and GAA for a couple of years now- with little or nothing to back it up.

He has an agenda and a very clear one- he is shown up his own sport and now he wants to engage in whataboutery. He's an out and out crank.

largepants · 11-06-2018 8:47am

Is it not about time someone took the GAA to task? They are like a mafia.

I went through a disciplinary issue with my county board. Despite having witnesses (the opposition included) to back up my story I still received a suspension. To this day I categorically deny what was in the referee's report. Basically he lied and was believed.

So I've no problem with Kimmage's crusade.

Tell me how · 11-06-2018 8:52am

Poor_old_gill wrote:

He has banged the drum about doping in rugby and GAA for a couple of years now- with little or nothing to back it up.

Would you call former French international, Laurent Benezech's claims that growth hormone and corticoids are rampant in the sport as little or nothing?
Or the director of the French anti-doping agency who said that they were seeing more failed tests from rugby players than any other sport?

People hate Kimmage because he reveals the ugly truth.

clint_silver · 11-06-2018 9:00am

largepants wrote: »

Is it not about time someone took the GAA to task? They are like a mafia.

I went through a disciplinary issue with my county board. Despite having witnesses (the opposition included) to back up my story I still received a suspension. To this day I categorically deny what was in the referee's report. Basically he lied and was believed.

So I've no problem with Kimmage's crusade.

Who would you want them to be accountable to though? Whats the end goal in putting names in the paper here of volunteers? Whats that going to achieve.
If anyone ever feels hard done by theres appeals processes all the way to croke park and beyond. And even if those are exhausted, what more do you want to happen? Where do you want it go? Im asking same question of the kimmage article, other then selling newspapers I dont know what he wants to happen.

clint_silver · 11-06-2018 9:04am

Tell me how wrote: »

Would you call former French international, Laurent Benezech's claims that growth hormone and corticoids are rampant in the sport as little or nothing?
Or the director of the French anti-doping agency who said that they were seeing more failed tests from rugby players than any other sport?

People hate Kimmage because he reveals the ugly truth.

With doping theres a straight answer.

His series of articles here all finish the same way with questions akin to "wont someone think of the poor children". No alternate view. Nothing to suggest what should happen. Lazy.

Tell me how · 11-06-2018 9:06am

clint_silver wrote:

Who would you want them to be accountable to though? Whats the end goal in putting names in the paper here of volunteers? Whats that going to achieve. If anyone ever feels hard done by theres appeals processes all the way to croke park and beyond. And even if those are exhausted, what more do you want to happen? Where do you want it go? Im asking same question of the kimmage article, other then selling newspapers I dont know what he wants to happen.

But the processes weren't followed in the athenry story. The club went public (locally).

In the 2nd, top brass got involved and then refused to comment about a court ordered payment to an individual being paid for by the organization.

Kimmage is trying to create public awareness thus encouraging the organisations to be correct and consistent in their dealings.

Is this not the ethos of being a journalist?

Tell me how · 11-06-2018 9:12am

clint_silver wrote:

His series of articles here all finish the same way with questions akin to "wont someone think of the poor children". No alternate view. Nothing to suggest what should happen. Lazy.

Check out the recording of when Luke Fitzgerald challenged him on doing in rugby if you want to see both an alternative view and an example of lazy arguments.

Also, I know people use the "won't someone think of the children" like some laughable Helen Lovejoy type faux outrage but here's Paul's point.
Clean competitors are being denied their rewards because of cheats.
Athletes are putting their health at risk with severe doping.
We, the fans are being lied to.

Why would anyone suggest any of these points should be acceptable?

largepants · 11-06-2018 9:14am

clint_silver wrote: »

Who would you want them to be accountable to though? Whats the end goal in putting names in the paper here of volunteers? Whats that going to achieve.
If anyone ever feels hard done by theres appeals processes all the way to croke park and beyond. And even if those are exhausted, what more do you want to happen? Where do you want it go? Im asking same question of the kimmage article, other then selling newspapers I dont know what he wants to happen.

In my own instance I did appeal. No change in the decision. It's only then that I realised I was banging my head off a brick wall. Why should the referee's word be sacrosanct despite evidence to the contrary? I have also witnessed an disciplinary process where their own stringent procedures had not been adhered to. When it was pointed out to them it was ignored. Can I ask whats the end goal for the GAA when it comes to failing their own volunteers? I could never see myself having the appetite to get involved again.

There is no openness or transparency within the organisation.

dk1982 · 11-06-2018 9:22am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

He has banged the drum about doping in rugby and GAA for a couple of years now- with little or nothing to back it up.

He has an agenda and a very clear one- he is shown up his own sport and now he wants to engage in whataboutery. He's an out and out crank.

Please explain why he would have an agenda against the GAA or rugby? You'll probably have to remove your head from the sand first.

clint_silver · 11-06-2018 9:36am

Tell me how wrote: »

Check out the recording of when Luke Fitzgerald challenged him on doing in rugby if you want to see both an alternative view and an example of lazy arguments.

Also, I know people use the "won't someone think of the children" like some laughable Helen Lovejoy type faux outrage but here's Paul's point.
Clean competitors are being denied their rewards because of cheats.
Athletes are putting their health at risk with severe doping.
We, the fans are being lied to.

Why would anyone suggest any of these points should be acceptable?

The drugs cheating is there for all sports in all codes to be dealt with.

If kimmage was going after that, then sure. But what he's going after here is different. He's attacking how situations are playing out and asking for some sort of higher authority when there already is.

Every club and county in the country are dealing with literally hundreds of incidents with multi varied reasons how and why they happen. Do they all go the way they should, absolutely not, but thats not to say they arent investigated.

Take the latest article, about the wallace incident. There was a melee, emotions running high, Wallace caught on camera being naughty, got a suspension. What does Kimmage want here? Accountability from whom? The GAA members? The processes and procedures in place to deal with it. If members feel theyre substandard and situations like Wallaces should be dealt with harsher then that can happen.

Hurrache · 11-06-2018 9:40am

He's right on this though isn't he. The usual form of defence for any issues he raises about GAA policies is attack rather than confront the issues. And like night follows day, the first response or two usually try deflect to cycling. As if that's somehow relevant to GAA?!?

This thread is a prime example, they've managed to deflect the issue to being about Kimmage rather than the GAA's shortcomings.

NIMAN · 11-06-2018 9:50am

Hurrache wrote: »

He's right on this though isn't he. The usual form of defence for any issues he raises about GAA policies is attack rather than confront the issues. And like night follows day, the first response or two usually try deflect to cycling. As if that's somehow relevant to GAA?!?

This thread is a prime example, they've managed to deflect the issue to being about Kimmage rather than the GAA's shortcomings.

100%.

He is right about GAA and rugby, whether people want to acknowledge it or not. Doping has to be rife. Same with top level soccer.

I wupdnt say he is doing it to try to make cycling less corrupt looking, he is just anti-PED, no matter what sport it's in.

I say fair play to him, everyone else is just ignoring the obvious.

Poor_old_gill · 11-06-2018 9:50am

clint_silver wrote: »

Who would you want them to be accountable to though? Whats the end goal in putting names in the paper here of volunteers? Whats that going to achieve.
If anyone ever feels hard done by theres appeals processes all the way to croke park and beyond. And even if those are exhausted, what more do you want to happen? Where do you want it go? Im asking same question of the kimmage article, other then selling newspapers I dont know what he wants to happen.

I look forward to all his future articles name checking the problems in French rugby only- I’d be happy with that

shockframe · 11-06-2018 10:11am

These articles from Kimmage seem all over the place. Disgruntled parent upset that their son isn't getting a game is hardly wikileaks stuff.

Writing for the independent is also a factor here. Probably the most rabid anti-gaa paper out there. Every week there's something the organization does that annoys them. I expect these articles to be dished out 15-20 times from here to Christmas.

mosstin · 11-06-2018 10:16am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I look forward to all his future articles name checking the problems in French rugby only- I’d be happy with that

So if he highlights a problem in GAA, you're not happy with it or him.
You then openly hope he writes about problems in rugby.
You don't see the hypocrisy there.
You're a strange one.

Keano · 11-06-2018 10:22am

shockframe wrote: »

These articles from Kimmage seem all over the place. Disgruntled parent upset that their son isn't getting a game is hardly wikileaks stuff.

Writing for the independent is also a factor here. Probably the most rabid anti-gaa paper out there. Every week there's something the organization does that annoys them. I expect these articles to be dished out 15-20 times from here to Christmas.

Disgruntled parent, did you even read his original article? I doubt it.

Poor_old_gill · 11-06-2018 10:23am

mosstin wrote: »

So if he highlights a problem in GAA, you're not happy with it or him.
You then openly hope he writes about problems in rugby.
You don't see the hypocrisy there.
You're a strange one.

I dont think you have understood anything that has been said here.

He writes articles in a pointlessly aggressive attempt to be edgy- he is showing up some issues within the GAA and thats useful but things take time to get sorted out and his attempts to attach himself (disinegenuously) to a cause within the Association is nothing but self serving nonsense.

On the rugby- I was clearly being sarcastic.
He has continually commented about doping problems in GAA & Rugby yet he has little or no evidence- someone mentioned issues in French rugby- and I said fine then let him report on French rugby.

Kimmage logic- theres an issue in French rugby so all rugby is rotten/ it's raining in Dublin so must be raining in Paris

mosstin · 11-06-2018 10:30am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I dont think you have understood anything that has been said here.

He writes articles in a pointlessly aggressive attempt to be edgy- he is showing up some issues within the GAA and thats useful but things take time to get sorted out and his attempts to attach himself (disinegenuously) to a cause within the Association is nothing but self serving nonsense.

On the rugby- I was clearly being sarcastic.
He has continually commented about doping problems in GAA & Rugby yet he has little or no evidence- someone mentioned issues in French rugby- and I said fine then let him report on French rugby.

Kimmage logic- theres an issue in French rugby so all rugby is rotten/ it's raining in Dublin so must be raining in Paris

Believe me, I understand everything that's being said.

"Things take time to get sorted out." That sums up your defence for me.

Tell me how · 11-06-2018 10:42am

Poor_old_gill wrote:

Kimmage logic- theres an issue in French rugby so all rugby is rotten/ it's raining in Dublin so must be raining in Paris

I think you're posting here with little understanding of anything really.

Kimmages style, his motivation, the role of journalism.

Let me guess, Ewan Mackenna is similarly motivated for selfish reasons.

The_Kew_Tour · 11-06-2018 10:46am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Kimmage comes from (and loves) a sport that is synonimus with corruption and is probably teh dirtiest sport in the world- he is and will continue to take swipes at all and sundry on his quest to expose other sports and thus, in some relative way, restor some credibility to cycling

BS.

Is that why he exposed Cycling and continues to do so?

mloc123 · 11-06-2018 10:52am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Kimmage logic- theres an issue in French rugby so all rugby is rotten/ it's raining in Dublin so must be raining in Paris

Or, there is a PED issue in French rugby yet Irish teams are able to compete against and beat French teams. This does not raise any suspicion with you?

ProudDUB · 11-06-2018 10:58am

Tell me how wrote: »

Would you call former French international, Laurent Benezech's claims that growth hormone and corticoids are rampant in the sport as little or nothing?
Or the director of the French anti-doping agency who said that they were seeing more failed tests from rugby players than any other sport?

People hate Kimmage because he reveals the ugly truth.

And that has precisely what exactly, to do with his latest crusade for truth and justice?

Sweet eff all if you ask me.

I used to be a big admirer of his. It took balls of steel to do what he did in standing up to the powers that be in the cycling world. But it seems that he is now looking for more and more cycling-esque bogey men in the world of GAA, that will garner him the same attention, professional kudos and sense of satisfaction from righting serious wrongs, that he got from his cycling exposes. God knows the GAA is far from perfect, but we are not even comparing apple to oranges here. We are comparing dinosasaur eggs to jelly babies.

The Offaly manager was suspended for 2 months, for his misdemenours down in Kerry. He was then fired by the Offaly Co Board and will probably find it hard to get another gig. Now, whether he was fired for losing their first round game, or fired because his suspension meant he could't do his job properly, or a combination of both, he was still fired. So no one can really say the man got off scott free. He didn't, which Kimmage seems to imply he did. The GAA disciplinary process is a bit of a shambles and in need of a radical rehaul. No one is denying that. But Kimmage's outrage seems a bit misplaced imo. His bull in a china shop approach to the GAA in his articles seems to be getting peoples backs up, instead of instilling a real appetite for change, which all truly great journalists can do. That is a shame, as his talent is undoubted. His approach is rubbish.

Poor_old_gill · 11-06-2018 11:03am

mloc123 wrote: »

Or, there is a PED issue in French rugby yet Irish teams are able to compete against and beat French teams. This does not raise any suspicion with you?

I’ll work on the assumption that you don’t watch how the game is played in each country.
For reference - French rugby is all about bulk and physically hammering teams.
Irish rugby is about high skill levels- we have acccepted that we don’t genetically have the bulk so we do it differently

Tell me how · 11-06-2018 11:04am

ProudDUB wrote:

The Offaly manager was suspended for 2 months, for his misdemenours down in Kerry. He was then fired by the Offaly Co Board and will probably find it hard to get another gig. Now, whether he was fired for losing their first round game, or fired because his suspension meant he could't do his job properly, or a combination of both...you can't really say the man got off scott free. He didn't, which Kimmage seems to imply he did. The GAA disciplinary process is a bit of a shambles and in need of a radical rehaul. No one is denying that. But Kimmage's outrage seems a bit misplaced imo.

What Kimmage is outraged about (I think) is Wallace's apparent dismissal of the idea that striking someone and receiving a suspension for 2 months was a justifiable reason for him losing his managers job.

Kimmage deplores selfish underhand behavior (as he sees it) whether in Athenry, Dublin, Offaly, rugby, cycling, soccer.

He is entirely consistent.

Tell me how · 11-06-2018 11:10am

Poor_old_gill wrote:

Iâ€™ll work on the assumption that you donâ€™t watch how the game is played in each country. For reference - French rugby is all about bulk and physically hammering teams. Irish rugby is about high skill levels- we have acccepted that we donâ€™t genetically have the bulk so we do it differently

Have you a tank of oxygen and a tube allowing you to breathe with your head in the sand or can you just hold your breath for a really really really long time.

How do you watch games from down there?

FYI, in the 2015 six nations, Ireland had the second highest combined team weight at 1533kg. 20kg greater than France who were 4th. Wales were first.

d'Oracle · 11-06-2018 11:11am

clint_silver wrote: »

His series of articles here all finish the same way with questions akin to "wont someone think of the poor children". No alternate view. Nothing to suggest what should happen. Lazy.

That's not what Journalism is. Nobody reads the sports section to find the solutions to problems in the GAA.

I mean what you doing is the equivalent of the stupid middle management knob who says "I hear you are talking about problems, I only want to hear about solutions"..

Not having a solution to a problem doesn't mean you can't point out a problem.
It is far easier to ignore a problem or attack the person who points out the problem, than to point out a problem.

d'Oracle · 11-06-2018 11:17am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Kimmage comes from (and loves) a sport that is synonimus with corruption and is probably teh dirtiest sport in the world- he is and will continue to take swipes at all and sundry on his quest to expose other sports and thus, in some relative way, restor some credibility to cycling

There are very few journalists who have done more to damage the credibility of professional cycling than Paul Kimmage.

LionelNashe · 11-06-2018 11:24am

Tell me how wrote: »

I think you're posting here with little understanding of anything really.

Kimmages style, his motivation, the role of journalism.

Let me guess, Ewan Mackenna is similarly motivated for selfish reasons.

McKenna is a sensationalist twerp. He'll misrepresent stuff to attack whoever's he's attacking. I haven't seen Kimmage doing the same.

clint_silver · 11-06-2018 11:24am

Tell me how wrote: »

What Kimmage is outraged about (I think) is Wallace's apparent dismissal of the idea that striking someone and receiving a suspension for 2 months was a justifiable reason for him losing his managers job.

Kimmage deplores selfish underhand behavior (as he sees it) whether in Athenry, Dublin, Offaly, rugby, cycling, soccer.

He is entirely consistent.

I can run with that as it sounds reasonable. But thats a "man feels hard done by in sport" story that every sport has.

Kimmage is looking for answers from the GAA for this when they dont have to give it.

Not having a solution to a problem doesn't mean you can't point out a problem.
It is far easier to ignore a problem or attack the person who points out the problem, than to point out a problem.

Ok, I get that. But whats Kimmages actual problem that he's highlighting let alone the lack of a solution to one.

Something came up. They dealt with it. The GAA probably wish it could have been dealt with differently, had outcomes that made everyone happy or at least accept, but life and certainly sport, is not about that.

But its not endemic cheating. Not something thats rotten in the organisation.

DJIMI TRARORE · 11-06-2018 11:28am

One of the best journalist out there at the moment

ohnonotgmail · 11-06-2018 11:30am

d'Oracle wrote: »

There are very few journalists who have done more to damage the credibility of professional cycling than Paul Kimmage.

Professional cycling managed that all on its own. He just told the world what was happening.

ProudDUB · 11-06-2018 11:35am

Tell me how wrote: »

What Kimmage is outraged about (I think) is Wallace's apparent dismissal of the idea that striking someone and receiving a suspension for 2 months was a justifiable reason for him losing his managers job.

Kimmage deplores selfish underhand behavior (as he sees it) whether in Athenry, Dublin, Offaly, rugby, cycling, soccer.

He is entirely consistent.

So one man is a dick? Agreed?

He was suspended by the GAA and fired by the Offaly Co Board.

The GAA did what they were supposed to do. The man in question is just a dick. By all means, expose him for what he is. But it's hardly the best example of corruption/tolerance of wrong doing within in the GAA itself, is it?

d'Oracle · 11-06-2018 11:54am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Professional cycling managed that all on its own. He just told the world what was happening.

Yep. That is what journalism is though.
If nobody talked about it, they would have better credibility, because credibility is really just how trustworthy the majority of people think the sport is.

d'Oracle · 11-06-2018 12:00pm

clint_silver wrote: »

I can run with that as it sounds reasonable. But thats a "man feels hard done by in sport" story that every sport has.

Kimmage is looking for answers from the GAA for this when they dont have to give it.

Ok, I get that. But whats Kimmages actual problem that he's highlighting let alone the lack of a solution to one.

Something came up. They dealt with it. The GAA probably wish it could have been dealt with differently, had outcomes that made everyone happy or at least accept, but life and certainly sport, is not about that.

But its not endemic cheating. Not something thats rotten in the organisation.

I mean there is a logical jump that would win a medal in the middle of the article, I'll give you that. Its hard to see that jump on the site because they covered it in a video of Wallace sucker punching a lad. (The indo will continue to be the indo) I think Wallace got off lightly though. Which is probably what has Kimmage off on one.

I think his point is if Wallace can more or less get away with it, which an 8 week suspension is to my mind, then it sends a ****ty message to young lads. I think is a little bit of stretch, but not so much as to make it unfair.

Tell me how · 11-06-2018 12:55pm

Joe Dog wrote: »

Kimmage was a doper himself in the past so clealry had some character flaws himself yet he takes a hoilier than thou approach to all the subject he writes about, he was a great journalist but to be honest he's turned into a complete crank in recent years.

He hasn't denied that he doped. But, to be fair to him, he stepped out rather than step up in terms of the level of doping required to be competitive. and he did so quickly.

He hits out at the culture of both the governing bodies, the team owners and bosses, the media and the public who condone such behaviour by accepting cheats because "They are all at it".

He admits himself to being a crank, to being hard to get on with but he still writes truthful stories about bad practices.

I don't understand why people have a problem with him shining a light on bad practices.

Joe Dog · 11-06-2018 12:59pm

Tell me how wrote: »

What Kimmage is outraged about (I think) is Wallace's apparent dismissal of the idea that striking someone and receiving a suspension for 2 months was a justifiable reason for him losing his managers job.

Kimmage deplores selfish underhand behavior (as he sees it) whether in Athenry, Dublin, Offaly, rugby, cycling, soccer.

He is entirely consistent.

Hardly a big deal.People not wanting to admit they were wrong is not a national scandal it's just basic human nature.

Wallace was banned for 2 months and lost his job as Offaly manager.I would say that is a not exactly a situation where somebody got away unpunished.The headline in the newspaper yesterday was Why is there no accountability in the GAA which give sthe idea that Wallace wasn't punished when he actually was.

Kimmage was a doper himself in the past so clearly had some character flaws himself yet he takes a hoilier than thou approach to all the subjects he writes about, he was a great journalist but to be honest he's turned into a complete crank in recent years.He expect ridiculous standards from the subjects he covered standards which he failed to reach himself, he may be right to point out a lot of the stuff but it hard sometimes to listen to him considering he's such an unbelieveble hypocrite, he also tends to make mountians out of molehills.

dk1982 · 11-06-2018 1:40pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

And that has precisely what exactly, to do with his latest crusade for truth and justice?

Sweet eff all if you ask me.

I used to be a big admirer of his. It took balls of steel to do what he did in standing up to the powers that be in the cycling world. But it seems that he is now looking for more and more cycling-esque bogey men in the world of GAA, that will garner him the same attention, professional kudos and sense of satisfaction from righting serious wrongs, that he got from his cycling exposes. God knows the GAA is far from perfect, but we are not even comparing apple to oranges here. We are comparing dinosasaur eggs to jelly babies.

The Offaly manager was suspended for 2 months, for his misdemenours down in Kerry. He was then fired by the Offaly Co Board and will probably find it hard to get another gig. Now, whether he was fired for losing their first round game, or fired because his suspension meant he could't do his job properly, or a combination of both, he was still fired. So no one can really say the man got off scott free. He didn't, which Kimmage seems to imply he did. The GAA disciplinary process is a bit of a shambles and in need of a radical rehaul. No one is denying that. But Kimmage's outrage seems a bit misplaced imo. His bull in a china shop approach to the GAA in his articles seems to be getting peoples backs up, instead of instilling a real appetite for change, which all truly great journalists can do. That is a shame, as his talent is undoubted. His approach is rubbish.

"I used to be a big admirer of his"...Translation: I used to be a big admirer of his and then he said something bad about Jim Gavin and the Dubs so now I dont like him anymore and he's just an angry man with a chip on his shoulder etc etc...

Joe Dog · 11-06-2018 1:43pm

dk1982 wrote: »

"I used to be a big admirer of his"...Translation: I used to be a big admirer of his and then he said something bad about Jim Gavin and the Dubs so now I dont like him anymore and he's just an angry man with a chip on his shoulder etc etc...

His criticisim of the Dubs for apparently being joyless was ridiculous in fairness.

ProudDUB · 11-06-2018 2:16pm

dk1982 wrote: »

"I used to be a big admirer of his"...Translation: I used to be a big admirer of his and then he said something bad about Jim Gavin and the Dubs so now I dont like him anymore and he's just an angry man with a chip on his shoulder etc etc...

Aren't you great craic altogether putting words in other peoples mouths that they never came remotely close to ever saying themselves. :rolleyes:

And Kimmage is the one with the chip on his shoulder?

What's next? My mother in laws third cousin twice removed is from Athenry and I have it in for him now for that also?

Felexicon · 11-06-2018 2:59pm

He's right in what he says though. There is no accountability in the GAA.

I went to Navan to watch Meath vs Tyrone on Saturday night. A great game that finished in a 1 point defeat to Meath after a missed call by the referee. Afterwards Andy McEntee was so enraged he felt it was acceptable to confront the referee in the middle of the pitch while having to be restrained by players. The officals had to be escorted from the pitch by members of An Garda. This is similar to the scenes we saw after the Tipperary vs Waterford game last week.

Neither management team will be held accountable for this. In fact nothing will happen at all.

If that happened in any other sport there would rightly be hefty fines/suspensions handed out but the GAA would have you believe it's just passion boiling over.

As for the Paul Kimmage article yesterday. He is not wrong in anything he says. What answers have been given to the parents of the kids that are unable to play in Athenry. What answers have been given to fee paying members as to why a 20k cheque was given to cover a court ordered payment against an individual? Why are the Offaly county board and Stephen Wallace so hesitant to give a clear reason as to why he was let go from his position when to outsiders it seems they had all the information before the Wicklow game?

blanch152 · 11-06-2018 3:07pm

Felexicon wrote: »

He's right in what he says though. There is no accountability in the GAA.

I went to Navan to watch Meath vs Tyrone on Saturday night. A great game that finished in a 1 point defeat to Meath after a missed call by the referee. Afterwards Andy McEntee was so enraged he felt it was acceptable to confront the referee in the middle of the pitch while having to be restrained by players. The officals had to be escorted from the pitch by members of An Garda. This is similar to the scenes we saw after the Tipperary vs Waterford game last week.

Neither management team will be held accountable for this. In fact nothing will happen at all.

If that happened in any other sport there would rightly be hefty fines/suspensions handed out but the GAA would have you believe it's just passion boiling over.

As for the Paul Kimmage article yesterday. He is not wrong in anything he says. What answers have been given to the parents of the kids that are unable to play in Athenry. What answers have been given to fee paying members as to why a 20k cheque was given to cover a court ordered payment against an individual? Why are the Offaly county board and Stephen Wallace so hesitant to give a clear reason as to why he was let go from his position when to outsiders it seems they had all the information before the Wicklow game?

Unless your name is Diarmuid Connolly.

Felexicon · 11-06-2018 3:26pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Unless your name is Diarmuid Connolly.

I completely agree. There are consequences for players but no one else.

But if that is all you took from my post I think you are missing the bigger picture.

brocbrocach · 11-06-2018 3:49pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Unless your name is Diarmuid Connolly.

Oh, like the time he came from the stand and punched a player and the ref and opposition was persuaded to keep it quiet?

fullstop · 12-06-2018 12:02am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I look forward to all his future articles name checking the problems in French rugby only- I’d be happy with that

And Kimmage is the out and out crank?

howiya · 12-06-2018 12:58pm

He's tweeting @officialgaa this morning looking for answers to his piece about the club in Dublin. Does he really think he'll get a reply there?

Tell me how · 12-06-2018 1:08pm

howiya wrote:

He's tweeting @officialgaa this morning looking for answers to his piece about the club in Dublin. Does he really think he'll get a reply there?

He won't on Twitter but he's trying to illicit some form of a response due to public attention.

I suspect they will eventually try to placate him. They know he's like a dog with a bone.

Kimmage at it again

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