clint_silver wrote: » I can run with that as it sounds reasonable. But thats a "man feels hard done by in sport" story that every sport has. Kimmage is looking for answers from the GAA for this when they dont have to give it. Ok, I get that. But whats Kimmages actual problem that he's highlighting let alone the lack of a solution to one. Something came up. They dealt with it. The GAA probably wish it could have been dealt with differently, had outcomes that made everyone happy or at least accept, but life and certainly sport, is not about that. But its not endemic cheating. Not something thats rotten in the organisation.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Professional cycling managed that all on its own. He just told the world what was happening.
Tell me how wrote: » What Kimmage is outraged about (I think) is Wallace's apparent dismissal of the idea that striking someone and receiving a suspension for 2 months was a justifiable reason for him losing his managers job. Kimmage deplores selfish underhand behavior (as he sees it) whether in Athenry, Dublin, Offaly, rugby, cycling, soccer. He is entirely consistent.
d'Oracle wrote: » There are very few journalists who have done more to damage the credibility of professional cycling than Paul Kimmage.
Not having a solution to a problem doesn't mean you can't point out a problem. It is far easier to ignore a problem or attack the person who points out the problem, than to point out a problem.
Tell me how wrote: » I think you're posting here with little understanding of anything really. Kimmages style, his motivation, the role of journalism. Let me guess, Ewan Mackenna is similarly motivated for selfish reasons.
Poor_old_gill wrote: » Kimmage comes from (and loves) a sport that is synonimus with corruption and is probably teh dirtiest sport in the world- he is and will continue to take swipes at all and sundry on his quest to expose other sports and thus, in some relative way, restor some credibility to cycling
clint_silver wrote: » His series of articles here all finish the same way with questions akin to "wont someone think of the poor children". No alternate view. Nothing to suggest what should happen. Lazy.
Poor_old_gill wrote: I’ll work on the assumption that you don’t watch how the game is played in each country. For reference - French rugby is all about bulk and physically hammering teams. Irish rugby is about high skill levels- we have acccepted that we don’t genetically have the bulk so we do it differently
ProudDUB wrote: The Offaly manager was suspended for 2 months, for his misdemenours down in Kerry. He was then fired by the Offaly Co Board and will probably find it hard to get another gig. Now, whether he was fired for losing their first round game, or fired because his suspension meant he could't do his job properly, or a combination of both...you can't really say the man got off scott free. He didn't, which Kimmage seems to imply he did. The GAA disciplinary process is a bit of a shambles and in need of a radical rehaul. No one is denying that. But Kimmage's outrage seems a bit misplaced imo.
mloc123 wrote: » Or, there is a PED issue in French rugby yet Irish teams are able to compete against and beat French teams. This does not raise any suspicion with you?
Tell me how wrote: » Would you call former French international, Laurent Benezech's claims that growth hormone and corticoids are rampant in the sport as little or nothing? Or the director of the French anti-doping agency who said that they were seeing more failed tests from rugby players than any other sport? People hate Kimmage because he reveals the ugly truth.
Poor_old_gill wrote: » Kimmage logic- theres an issue in French rugby so all rugby is rotten/ it's raining in Dublin so must be raining in Paris
Poor_old_gill wrote: Kimmage logic- theres an issue in French rugby so all rugby is rotten/ it's raining in Dublin so must be raining in Paris
Poor_old_gill wrote: » I dont think you have understood anything that has been said here. He writes articles in a pointlessly aggressive attempt to be edgy- he is showing up some issues within the GAA and thats useful but things take time to get sorted out and his attempts to attach himself (disinegenuously) to a cause within the Association is nothing but self serving nonsense. On the rugby- I was clearly being sarcastic. He has continually commented about doping problems in GAA & Rugby yet he has little or no evidence- someone mentioned issues in French rugby- and I said fine then let him report on French rugby. Kimmage logic- theres an issue in French rugby so all rugby is rotten/ it's raining in Dublin so must be raining in Paris
mosstin wrote: » So if he highlights a problem in GAA, you're not happy with it or him. You then openly hope he writes about problems in rugby. You don't see the hypocrisy there. You're a strange one.
shockframe wrote: » These articles from Kimmage seem all over the place. Disgruntled parent upset that their son isn't getting a game is hardly wikileaks stuff. Writing for the independent is also a factor here. Probably the most rabid anti-gaa paper out there. Every week there's something the organization does that annoys them. I expect these articles to be dished out 15-20 times from here to Christmas.
Poor_old_gill wrote: » I look forward to all his future articles name checking the problems in French rugby only- I’d be happy with that
clint_silver wrote: » Who would you want them to be accountable to though? Whats the end goal in putting names in the paper here of volunteers? Whats that going to achieve. If anyone ever feels hard done by theres appeals processes all the way to croke park and beyond. And even if those are exhausted, what more do you want to happen? Where do you want it go? Im asking same question of the kimmage article, other then selling newspapers I dont know what he wants to happen.
Hurrache wrote: » He's right on this though isn't he. The usual form of defence for any issues he raises about GAA policies is attack rather than confront the issues. And like night follows day, the first response or two usually try deflect to cycling. As if that's somehow relevant to GAA?!? This thread is a prime example, they've managed to deflect the issue to being about Kimmage rather than the GAA's shortcomings.
Tell me how wrote: » Check out the recording of when Luke Fitzgerald challenged him on doing in rugby if you want to see both an alternative view and an example of lazy arguments. Also, I know people use the "won't someone think of the children" like some laughable Helen Lovejoy type faux outrage but here's Paul's point. Clean competitors are being denied their rewards because of cheats. Athletes are putting their health at risk with severe doping. We, the fans are being lied to. Why would anyone suggest any of these points should be acceptable?
Poor_old_gill wrote: » He has banged the drum about doping in rugby and GAA for a couple of years now- with little or nothing to back it up. He has an agenda and a very clear one- he is shown up his own sport and now he wants to engage in whataboutery. He's an out and out crank.
clint_silver wrote: His series of articles here all finish the same way with questions akin to "wont someone think of the poor children". No alternate view. Nothing to suggest what should happen. Lazy.
clint_silver wrote: Who would you want them to be accountable to though? Whats the end goal in putting names in the paper here of volunteers? Whats that going to achieve. If anyone ever feels hard done by theres appeals processes all the way to croke park and beyond. And even if those are exhausted, what more do you want to happen? Where do you want it go? Im asking same question of the kimmage article, other then selling newspapers I dont know what he wants to happen.
