Cameron Reilly Murder

azwethinkweiz · 01-06-2018 09:29PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Agree. Prisoners should be made do hard manual labour rather than lounging around watching tv. They should come out of prison mentally and physically broken so they can never again commit crime. All they’d be good for would be manual labour before death. Fcuk the lot of them

Prison is supposed to rehabilitate criminals. And once they do their time and have been rehabilitated, why would we continue to punish when they're out again? We're supposed to be a civilised society. An eye for an eye or torturing someone for the rest of their life doesn't sound like the civilised way to go.
I understand the raw emotion that makes people feel these things though.

Ultimate Seduction · 01-06-2018 11:12PM

Electric Sheep wrote: »

My guess is that the guards know who is responsible, but will not make an arrest until Tuesday after the funeral on Monday.

It'll be made when they have enough evidence. Nothing to do with the funeral.

shebafay · 02-06-2018 03:10PM

VonZan wrote: »

I imagine this is quite a difficult case. If others are involved they may already be naturally afraid to come forward after witnessing a violent death and not intervening. It's widely reported that he may have been lured there by someone he trusted which makes the incident even more shocking. I imagine it's just a matter of time before their guilty consciences gets the better of them as if they lured someone to their murder then they too will fear prosecution and rightly so.

I think it has nothing to do with the funeral and more to do with the reliability of any potential witness testimony considering it's also been reported that there may have been drink and drugs involved. The key will be to get more than one person to testify to arrest and detain someone otherwise the DPP won't be interested . DNA results take time but they should nail the killer. Once they're back we should see an arrest within days.

Nothing on the national news today. I was hoping the regular media coverage would keep pressure on the persons who are responsible for this awful crime....

Ash.J.Williams · 02-06-2018 04:52PM

shebafay wrote: »

Nothing on the national news today. I was hoping the regular media coverage would keep pressure on the persons who are responsible for this awful crime....

I'm sure they're fine

Franz Von Peppercorn · 02-06-2018 04:55PM

azwethinkweiz wrote: »

Prison is supposed to rehabilitate criminals. And once they do their time and have been rehabilitated, why would we continue to punish when they're out again? We're supposed to be a civilised society. An eye for an eye or torturing someone for the rest of their life doesn't sound like the civilised way to go.
I understand the raw emotion that makes people feel these things though.

Prison isn’t primarily about rehabilitation. If it were people would be sent in, regardless of crime, for an indefinite period until rehabilitated. Some serious crimes would see people released very early, others will stay in indefinitely.

whelan2 · 02-06-2018 05:56PM

shebafay wrote: »

Nothing on the national news today. I was hoping the regular media coverage would keep pressure on the persons who are responsible for this awful crime....

Was in Dunleer 3times today. Plenty of garda, army activity. Everyone is dumbfounded by this.

jluv · 02-06-2018 08:04PM

Obviously my sympathy goes out to Cameron's family,but I also feel bad for most of the folk in Dunleer apart from anyone who was involved of course. When all is revealed and people know who did AND didn't do do something,it'll be difficult for the town not to be divided or unsettled at least.Really hope some answers come soon..

azwethinkweiz · 02-06-2018 10:14PM

jluv wrote: »

Obviously my sympathy goes out to Cameron's family,but I also feel bad for most of the folk in Dunleer apart from anyone who was involved of course. When all is revealed and people know who did AND didn't do do something,it'll be difficult for the town not to be divided or unsettled at least.Really hope some answers come soon..

I don't know what's 100% true or what you've heard but the information flying around town is that this was done by someone from Ardee. One of his friends boyfriend.

jluv · 02-06-2018 10:25PM

azwethinkweiz wrote: »

I don't know what's 100% true or what you've heard but the information flying around town is that this was done by someone from Ardee. One of his friends boyfriend.

I hadn't heard anything TBF. But I figured that a lot of the kids would have been local as would their families. Difficult for a community to deal with..(that he is dead,that he was left there and that noone is coming forward with info)

whelan2 · 02-06-2018 10:28PM

jluv wrote: »

I hadn't heard anything TBF. But I figured that a lot of the kids would have been local as would their families. Difficult for a community to deal with..(that he is dead,that he was left there and that noone is coming forward with info)

Afaik people have given information. Waiting on dna results.

azwethinkweiz · 02-06-2018 10:29PM

jluv wrote: »

I hadn't heard anything TBF. But I figured that a lot of the kids would have been local as would their families. Difficult for a community to deal with..(that he is dead,that he was left there and that noone is coming forward with info)

The friend is from Dunleer so there'll definitely be fallout from that (if what I've heard turns out to be true). But who knows... rumours fly, there might be nothing to it.

Cameron's uncle has said they know who did it, they're just gathering evidence. So, we'll see. I'm pretty confident there'll be an arrest soon enough.

azwethinkweiz · 02-06-2018 10:32PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Prison isn’t primarily about rehabilitation. If it were people would be sent in, regardless of crime, for an indefinite period until rehabilitated. Some serious crimes would see people released very early, others will stay in indefinitely.

I realise it's not always about rehabilitation but the vast majority is which is why they are then let out again. And on the other side of that, some people are never let out not just because of the severity of the crime but because they're still considered a danger to society.

Airyfairy12 · 04-06-2018 03:51AM

Ive just been reading up about this story and im truly disturbed by how horrific it is. These young people where the victims 'friends', there was a large group of them - up to 20 people present and not one tried to stop the perpetrator, they then left - every one of them left - leaving the victim alone to die. Not one person there tried to help him or called an ambulance, and not one of these twisted individuals has come forward to report the killer, knowing the suffering the family is going through. What is going on?? this is sick beyond belief ...

Happy4all · 04-06-2018 10:28AM

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Ive just been reading up about this story and im truly disturbed by how horrific it is. These young people where the victims 'friends', there was a large group of them - up to 20 people present and not one tried to stop the perpetrator, they then left - every one of them left - leaving the victim alone to die. Not one person there tried to help him or called an ambulance, and not one of these twisted individuals has come forward to report the killer, knowing the suffering the family is going through. What is going on?? this is sick beyond belief ...

Gardai have interviewed a good chunk of the group who have come forward. You would hope at least one of them has the conscience to speak up and give vital information to allow justice be done.

azwethinkweiz · 04-06-2018 10:54AM

Happy4all wrote: »

Gardai have interviewed a good chunk of the group who have come forward. You would hope at least one of them has the conscience to speak up and give vital information to allow justice be done.

I think I've said this already but the word is that the guards know exactly who did it. They just want to gather as much evidence as possible.

20 people weren't sitting watching this happen... there was 20 people total hanging out that night and they reckon Cameron was lured to where he was murdered. So there very well could be friends that were there that didn't see him killed but I'm sure they've told their story because EVERYONE in the surrounding area in Dunleer has been interviewed. The guards have literally knocked into every single house.

I'm pretty hopeful once they have enough evidence, the guy (and whoever else was involved) will be arrested. I've heard names but I'm not going to repeat them here.

jon1981 · 04-06-2018 05:11PM

<snip> ... just read the mod note.

Again, all speculation and hear say.

Adamocovic · 06-06-2018 03:28PM

It's all gone a bit quiet on the news front. I wonder will we hopefully see progress towards an arrest before the week is done.

markc1184 · 06-06-2018 03:36PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

It's all gone a bit quiet on the news front. I wonder will we hopefully see progress towards an arrest before the week is done.

The local paper says that the Gardai viewed over 1000 hours of cctv but despite what the rumours say, no arrests are imminent. That is coming from Superintendent Andrew Watters. He is still appealing for witnesses to come forward.

wakka12 · 06-06-2018 03:50PM

Wow that is shocking, find it hard to believe they don't know who did it considering the number of witnesses

RacoonQueen · 06-06-2018 03:56PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Wow that is shocking, find it hard to believe they don't know who did it considering the number of witnesses

That's the mad thing. More than one person knows who killed him yet there appears to be no guilt. Others have to know something. Are these people not intimidated by the guards at all. Even if I wasn't involved in any way I'd probably have been a bag of nerves been asked questions about it by the guards at that age.

Ultimate Seduction · 06-06-2018 05:43PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Wow that is shocking, find it hard to believe they don't know who did it considering the number of witnesses

They probably do know who did it, but they need evidence. We don't know if anyone saw the murder or if anyone knows who murdered him so that's just speculation and disrespectful to the innocent people drinking with him that night.

jon1981 · 06-06-2018 07:34PM

I can't believe this. How are those that know something sleeping at night ? The Gardai know he was lured there, how do they know this? They know he got a text message, how do they know this? They must have some statements and witnesses.

Muahahaha · 06-06-2018 08:36PM

Can the Gardai not just ask all 20 that were said to be in the field to provide their DNA?

John_Rambo · 06-06-2018 10:14PM

The Gardai will dig, dig and dig until they have a mountain of statements, witnesses, DNA, cam footage etc... and until they've exhausted every single avenue they will only bring the case to the DPP.

They might know exactly who did it. They might want to know more about who was an accessory, who didn't stop the crime, who didn't report it etc...

I'd imagine they're playing the long game in the hope of securing a rock solid case.

And I hope they get the right person/people. It's been a very very bad few weeks for young adults in the country.

francie81 · 08-06-2018 09:33PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Similar young men to Cameron have been murdered in Ireland purely because they were gay. Choose your words carefully, you may end up regretting you little homophobic outbursts.

Excuse me? Well just to clear myself the line your referring to was not at all directed at the chap since didn’t know him (despite being from Dunleer myself) so it seems you know more than I do or someone else here does, I was making the point that crime and the farcical justice system that comes with it appears to be a bigger problem in Ireland than that of recent referendums on such issues as I pointed out in my op, so that was immaturity for getting your wires crossed.

greencap · 08-06-2018 09:41PM

perpetrator is clearly an idiot.

like they're really going to get away with it.

plead guilty or make a run for it*.

lets say they're exceptionally lucky and nothing happens right now. well, guess what, a cold case team in the year 2034 will just pull out the future technology and do you then.

*this obviously won't work either.

not a snowballs chance. may as well cash in the guilty plea for a chance at a year off.

OldMrBrennan83 · 08-06-2018 09:45PM

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08-06-2018 09:46PM

greencap wrote: »

perpetrator is clearly an idiot.

like they're really going to get away with it.

plead guilty or make a run for it*.

lets say they're exceptionally lucky and nothing happens right now. well, guess what, a cold case team in the year 2034 will just pull out the future technology and do you then.

*this obviously won't work either.

not a snowballs chance. may as well cash in the guilty plea for a chance at a year off.

Pretty sure most murders in this country don't end with a murder conviction.

UsedToWait · 08-06-2018 09:48PM

Patww79 wrote: »

Hopefully a vast array of horrible misfortunes befalls anyone staying quiet about what happened and protecting the murderer.

By all accounts, Cameron was well liked.
The only thing that might be causing people to withhold evidence has to be fear.
Is the perpetrator from a 'known' family, I wonder?

Edit: that's assuming the Gardai don't have all the witness evidence that they should have
If I was a parent of a child who was there at any stage of the night, they'd have been down at the station the next morning, making their statement of the events they saw.

greencap · 08-06-2018 09:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty sure most murders in this country don't end with a murder conviction.

maybe if there was very smart premeditation and no witnesses, then maybe you're not going to end up in jail.

they got that architect guy. and he was a nerd with a well thought out plan.

this seems to have been impromptu with a bunch of nice crackable young witnesses, maybe even a teen girl among them.

whoever did this is doing time. no doubt.

Cameron Reilly Murder

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