Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Water John · 27-05-2018 08:01PM

Why did the people of Louth and Dublin escape the storm?

freshpopcorn · 27-05-2018 08:02PM

sporina wrote: »

a mate who strongly opposes the repeal reckons that the storm last night was nature's way of expressing its rage at the result of the referendum :eek:

I'd say that view was shared a good bit amongst religious No voters!

Fighting Tao · 27-05-2018 08:02PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes, I am from a real farming background. People haven't much time for vegans. I know farmers who've accepted gay family members, marrying different races, religions, etc but being a vegan would be tough.
People see vegan vets/nurses more suited to more domestic/horsey type of veterinary than the farming area of it.

You don’t need to be from a farming background to find accepting a vegan tough. :pac:

uck51js9zml2yt · 27-05-2018 08:03PM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Look man terminations were carried out here on grounds of suicidal tribulations, it was covered in the 2013 Act it isn't in the proposed legislation here as it is already in play - it appears you have overlooked 5 years of the system being abused.

Honest women; our countries women had to hang heads in shame and lurk in shadows to organize trips abroad as we didn't provide for them here that is the truth. Nobody wants to go down the trust women road again.

So you admit the system is prone to abuse...thanks for confirming that.

2 things we've agreed on today...wonders will never cease

Fighting Tao · 27-05-2018 08:03PM

Haylee Purple Showboat wrote: »

I never said every rape was violent and know someone who gave birth twice and didn't know they were pregnant till the hospital told them.

It's a pity the yes side feel they needn't entertain the hard questions for these hard cases.
I just hope our politicians deal with them when framing legislation otherwise we'll have very poor legislation.

Pot, kettle!!! You’ve ignored the hard questions yourself.

end of the road · 27-05-2018 08:04PM

Flex wrote: »

speaking anecdotally, there has been a wonderful buzz and atmosphere around Dublin city centre and at home yesterday and today. I honestly thought there was a chance the No side would win; going around knowing ~75-80% of the people around you supported compassion and kindness and are good people is a very nice feeling Enjoy it

indeed it is . many of us on the no side voted for compassion and kindness also and are good people.

27-05-2018 08:04PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes, I am from a real farming background. People haven't much time for vegans. I know farmers who've accepted gay family members, marrying different races, religions, etc but being a vegan would be tough.
People see vegan vets/nurses more suited to more domestic/horsey type of veterinary than the farming area of it.

Ah must be a thing in Meath that most of our dairy and beef farming neighbours have no issues asking her for advise, as neither do my uncles.

uck51js9zml2yt · 27-05-2018 08:05PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'd say that view was shared a good bit amongst religious No voters!

It rained last night. I wasn't expecting it but that's just because I didn't get an opportunity to read the weather forum.
Note to self. Check it out for next weekend;)

Odhinn · 27-05-2018 08:06PM

Water John wrote: »

Why did the people of Louth and Dublin escape the storm?

?

27-05-2018 08:07PM

Haylee Purple Showboat wrote: »

It rained last night. I wasn't expecting it but that's just because I didn't get an opportunity to read the weather forum.
Note to self. Check it out for next weekend;)

Showers forecasted all week for Meath and Cavan, subject to change as always.

uck51js9zml2yt · 27-05-2018 08:13PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Pot, kettle!!! You’ve ignored the hard questions yourself.

On the contrary. They are questions I grappled with over the last few months.

Exit polls and posts on boards show a lot of people had an issue with the 12 week, no reason given abortion. I'm very much in that group.
It was a black and white question to a situation that's far from black and white.

Fighting Tao · 27-05-2018 08:17PM

Haylee Purple Showboat wrote: »

On the contrary. They are questions I grappled with over the last few months.

Exit polls and posts on boards show a lot of people had an issue with the 12 week, no reason given abortion. I'm very much in that group.
It was a black and white question to a situation that's far from black and white.

You are complaining about people from the yes side not answering tough questions in this thread. You have totally ignored the tough questions asked of you but sure you deflect.

uptherebels · 27-05-2018 08:18PM

Haylee Purple Showboat wrote: »

Exit polls and posts on boards show a lot of people had an issue with the 12 week, no reason given abortion. I'm very much in that group.
It was a black and white question to a situation that's far from black and white.

And that's why 12 weeks was necessary in the first place because it's far from black and white

27-05-2018 08:22PM

wexie wrote: »

clearly not a particularly smart farmer, while perhaps he might have had somewhat of a point if your missus was an extremist vegan going around giving farmers lots of grief.....my guess that's not the case if she works in a country vet practice.

Just shows ta go ya....dickheads in every walk of life, farmer dickheads, vegan dickheads, anti-choice dickheads, pro-choice dickheads....

they're everywhere

Patient always comes first with her and she's no time for vegan extremists or any extremists. Apparently she shouldn't have married me in their opinion.

uck51js9zml2yt · 27-05-2018 08:22PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

You are complaining about people from the yes side not answering tough questions in this thread. You have totally ignored the tough questions asked of you but sure you deflect.

Ah you mean the one where my wife was in danger of dying due to the 8th.
Well I'm of the opinion that the medics who said it's not an issue are right.
If her life was in danger due to a pregnancy, I'd have no hesitation in pushing for a termination.
I suppose you thought i'd say something different:D

Water John · 27-05-2018 08:24PM

You might push, but the medic might say no. Unless you had the expertise to perform the procedure your self at home and risk 14 years in prison as well as your wife's life.

uck51js9zml2yt · 27-05-2018 08:27PM

Water John wrote: »

You might push, but the medic might say no.

I thought the Savita case made it very clear for medics that they didn't have to second guess themselves.
It's funny how we've not heard of any other similar cases.
Surely if it was the norm we'd know about it by now?

Wrongway1985 · 27-05-2018 08:33PM

Haylee Purple Showboat wrote: »

So you admit the system is prone to abuse...thanks for confirming that.

2 things we've agreed on today...wonders will never cease

Nope I suggest you look at the 5 years since being made law where were the thousands of liars you speculated there were going to be? Yeah still on trips elsewhere! Your laughing emoji at least confirms you're not actually delusional in thinking that I am in any sort of agreement with you.

The 8th is binned get over it!

Timberrrrrrrr · 27-05-2018 08:42PM

Haylee Purple Showboat wrote: »

I never said every rape was violent and know someone who gave birth twice and didn't know they were pregnant till the hospital told them.

It's a pity the yes side feel they needn't entertain the hard questions for these hard cases.
I just hope our politicians deal with them when framing legislation otherwise we'll have very poor legislation.

I've answered your question, you may not like the answer but please don't claim that your questions are not being entertained.

eeepaulo · 27-05-2018 08:59PM

The thing i found interesting in the exit poll was the 12 week approval figure, only 52%.

The reason i'm celebrating is because the citizens, even those who thought abortion was wrong, still voted Yes, 62% citing the right of the woman to choose, what a lovely republic we live in where people go against their own belief because they listen to the stories - (43%) and experiences of people they knew - (34%) to decide that our women being shamed and driven abroad is too much.

The number of stories we have heard from women who have probably never told anyone, or perhaps one or two people, has been a privilege and Ireland's response has been joyful.

The ignorance shown in this thread by some of the posters on the No side, even now, is breathtaking. I assume you spent the last few months with a mantra going on in your head "ABORTION IS WRONG" and didn't actually listen to any of the points made by anyone else, hey, its your right as a citizen.

sporina · 27-05-2018 09:04PM

wexie wrote: »

nature's way or god's way?

It's important to establish quite which type of lunacy he's suffering from

either way, they also had the storm in the UK so i guess that that voids his point

btw i have never discussed the referendum with him... i love him as a mate regardless of what he thinks..

swampgas · 27-05-2018 09:15PM

eeepaulo wrote: »

The thing i found interesting in the exit poll was the 12 week approval figure, only 52%.

That's enough though, it's more than 50%. Especially when many people who have reservations simply don't understand where the figure comes from. Some people genuinely seem to think a pregnant woman has 12 weeks to decide what to do, instead of maybe 3 or 4 weeks in reality.

Ask people again in a few years and many more will (IMO) be okay with 12 weeks, as they will have had a chance to understand it better. So while it's 52% now, I'd expect that percentage to increase rather than decrease over time.

Beechwoodspark · 27-05-2018 09:17PM

end of the road wrote: »

indeed it is . many of us on the no side voted for compassion and kindness also and are good people.

I know a few no voters. They are all exceptionally good ppl and voted for compassion towards the unborn.

eeepaulo · 27-05-2018 09:21PM

swampgas wrote: »

That's enough though, it's more than 50%. Especially when many people who have reservations simply don't understand where the figure comes from. Some people genuinely seem to think a pregnant woman has 12 weeks to decide what to do, instead of maybe 3 or 4 weeks in reality.

Ask people again in a few years and many more will (IMO) be okay with 12 weeks, as they will have had a chance to understand it better. So while it's 52% now, I'd expect that percentage to increase rather than decrease over time.

Hey now, I agree! The joy I feel comes from the acceptance of experiences told by people which trump longstanding, (probably unchallenged) beliefs. The stories were told and the stories were believed , more than believed, they shaped the vote.

swampgas · 27-05-2018 09:22PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I know a few no voters. They are all exceptionally good ppl and voted for compassion towards the unborn.

I'm sure they think they are good people. Personally I can't get past people who will throw the born, pregnant woman under a bus out of some misguided compassion for the unborn. No problem risking her life at all.

Sorry, it's not compassion, it's religious fundamentalism.

Is it because a foetus is "innocent" and holy and godly, while a pregnant woman has sinned by getting pregnant, and is therefore impure, and disposable? Whatever the reason, it's mind-bogglingly cruel to women.

/rant

Wrongway1985 · 27-05-2018 09:23PM

eeepaulo wrote: »

The ignorance shown in this thread by some of the posters on the No side, even now, is breathtaking. I assume you spent the last few months with a mantra going on in your head "ABORTION IS WRONG" and didn't actually listen to any of the points made by anyone else, hey, its your right as a citizen.

Absolutely! I heard a fella think from Donegal on radio blame media bias the nutcase main point claimed RTE etc should've shown an abortion to have people see for themselves and noone would vote Yes. No one wants to see open heart surgery we sure hope we don't need it but needs to be available for those that do. Katie Ascough was convicted to deny women access mostly due to watching video online no you didn't you Katie were voting No anyway.

The Yes campaign had my vote before a referendum was called after listening to the stories over the years the No campaign Politicians only arrived on the scene recently hoping the door was never opened having posed no alternatives all this time they even voted against the POLDP act.

pitifulgod · 27-05-2018 09:24PM

Haylee Purple Showboat wrote: »

I thought the Savita case made it very clear for medics that they didn't have to second guess themselves.
It's funny how we've not heard of any other similar cases.
Surely if it was the norm we'd know about it by now?

The likes of Mary Higgins who deals with the most extreme cases in pregnancy said it impacts care. 81% of gynaecologists and obstetricians supported repeal.

PhoenixParker · 27-05-2018 09:25PM

Has anybody got a link to the actual questions asked and the full results?

27-05-2018 09:25PM

eeepaulo wrote: »

Hey now, I agree! The joy I feel comes from the acceptance of experiences told by people which trump longstanding, (probably unchallenged) beliefs. The stories were told and the stories were believed , more than believed, they shaped the vote.

Think the people that the 8th put on the debates also help along with a fairly toxic campaign.

Wrongway1985 · 27-05-2018 09:26PM

Personally the people I know who voted No are not the compassionate type. They were self centred people who posed wonderful questions such as how would you like it if you were aborted?

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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