Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

backspin.

I didn't vote as i just couldn't make up my mind. But something that has bothered me a little about this vote is the celebrations and tears of joy from the Yes side, and young children barely able to understand what abortion is brought along to cheer too. There is just something unseemly about it all. Whatever the reason, abortion is the snuffing out of a potential human life. I don't think it is something that should be cheered on.

AllForIt

DubInMeath wrote: »

Really, have read many of the posts then I take it.

Have a look at Vlaid Kelly's post history as an example it's one of the shorter ones.

Look, I'm sure your right about Vlaid Kelly's posts but this is the cyber world and ppl do like to a bit on the extreme side just for arguments sake. I doubt that hatred for women really was any kind of a even remotely significant factor for No votes. I just can't believe that.

SusieBlue

backspin. wrote: »

I didn't vote as i just couldn't make up my mind. But something that has bothered me a little about this vote is the celebrations and tears of joy from the Yes side, and young children barely able to understand what abortion is brought along to cheer too. There is just something unseemly about it all. Whatever the reason, abortion is the snuffing out of a potential human life. I don't think it is something that should be cheered on.

What we have snuffed out is a law that says a zygote the size of a grape is of equal worth, consideration and value to a living breathing woman.

We’ll be looking after women who get the heartbreaking diagnosis of FFA at home.

We will be supporting rape victims by not adding extra stress by forcing them to travel.

We are no longer banishing women seeking a termination for any reason (because there is ALWAYS a reason), because the majority of the country has now agreed to trust each woman’s right to choice.

We are showing compassion, dignity, and respect to those in a crisis. And we agree that this is the right thing to do.

What’s not to celebrate.
This is a wonderful, momentous occasion for an Ireland that only closed its last Magdelene Laundry 22 years ago.

captbarnacles

backspin. wrote: »

I didn't vote as i just couldn't make up my mind. But something that has bothered me a little about this vote is the celebrations and tears of joy from the Yes side, and young children barely able to understand what abortion is brought along to cheer too. There is just something unseemly about it all. Whatever the reason, abortion is the snuffing out of a potential human life. I don't think it is something that should be cheered on.

I am going to guess all all the posters saying this shouldn't be celebrated are male and still don't get what this vote was for.

swampgas

swampgas wrote: »

Among other things, the debate here over the last few years has exposed some horrific attitudes towards women, and provided an insight into some very deeply ingrained misogyny. I have to admit being quite shocked at times at the malice, distrust and anger that was expressed by some posters, and the landslide result is a consolation of sorts, as it does mean that the knuckledraggers and woman-haters are significantly outnumbered.

It's certainly the only thing I've actually celebrated about the result, apart from the obvious, the fact that apart from a few other dickhe*ds with the same attitude, the vote showed that their just sad little people.

Waiting for the I'm a soyboy comments etc, but personally I've never had much of an issue with women looking for equal rights.
Sure some feminists are away with the fairies, and from doing security for ten years I'm well aware some women are just arseholes, but they tend to be the minority, the same with males arseholes. Have to laugh at most of the guys on here complaining about them however as they seem like the types to cut down any sort of campaign to improve men's rights as some leftie sjw sh1te.

end of the road

Call me Al wrote: »

No you believe it has an equal right to life as the living breathing woman carrying it.
That is one of the main things many of us find incomprehensible. No matter what way you try to do rationalise things in your head a foetus is not, and until such time as it is born never will be, equal in terms of rights as the woman carrying it.

no, i believe a fetus should have a right to life as much as is practical. so, in an event that the mother's life is in danger, she would be prioritized, as it should be. i don't believe however that the mother should be able to end it's life outside such circumstances and other serious circumstances.
i will always believe that a fetus should have a right to life as much as is practical, and that it should be protected in law.

swampgas wrote: »

I guess I feel that ignoring the rights and health and life of a pregnant woman out of some kind of misguided concern for a foetus is ironic in itself.

But I guess there's no point in retreading old ground at this stage.

Ultimately we're all striving to make Ireland a better place, even if we disagree fundamentally at times on the best way to do that.

except we weren't ignoring the health and rights and life of pregnant women. it was for our genuine care for them, and our genuine care for the unborn, that we voted no, because we believe that much much better legislation could have been provided that would specifically deal with the hard cases. you are right though, there is no point in going over old ground as we all stand by our decisians.

Shurimgreat

Very measured post lochlach.
Having also known women who suffered miscarriage or are unable to conceive, the lack of regard some people show for the foetus up to 12 weeks must seem particularly cruel. These women would give anything to have a 12 week viable healthy foetus.
Another reason why sensitivity is required.

Shurimgreat

swampgas wrote: »

I guess I feel that ignoring the rights and health and life of a pregnant woman out of some kind of misguided concern for a foetus is ironic in itself.

But I guess there's no point in retreading old ground at this stage.

Ultimately we're all striving to make Ireland a better place, even if we disagree fundamentally at times on the best way to do that.

Misguided concern for a foetus? Did I just read that correctly?

Guy:Incognito

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What makes you the judge of who has a right to live, and who should die?

Outside of my own partner I have no interest in having an opinion or judging and deciding for anyone. Hence I voted yes to let them decide for themselves in their own situation.

seamus

DubInMeath wrote: »

Have to laugh at most of the guys on here complaining about them however as they seem like the types to cut down any sort of campaign to improve men's rights as some leftie sjw sh1te.

That's the funny thing. You can be sure that these pricks look at Bressie doing a men's mental health campaign and scoff at it being some pansy SJW bull and Bressie is some cuck asshole.

Then the next week they'll be crying about feminism and asking why nobody cares about men.

AllForIt

AllForIt wrote: »

Look, I'm sure your right about Vlaid Kelly's posts but this is the cyber world and ppl do like to a bit on the extreme side just for arguments sake. I doubt that hatred for women really was any kind of a even remotely significant factor for No votes. I just can't believe that.

Take a look at the threads and you'll spot a good few posters normally found on the anti feminist/immigration circle jerk threads come in to make a few comments about female posters or those who publicly campaigned for repeal.

One in particular didn't want abortion and was happy for their taxes to used for the reintroduction of mother and baby homes because sure no real abuse happened there in the past and none would happen in 2018, but they didn't want their taxes to go on children's allowance for anyone on social welfare, and such people should be sterilised after having two children.
They lasted three posts into the thread on the death of Ana Kriegel, before being banned from the thread for insisting it was most likely an immigrat who killed her.
The poster is a well established member of the site going by their post numbers and friends list, so their not a random tool like Vlaid.

You believe that there a good people who voted no and hatred for women had nothing to do with some people's no vote.
While I might accept that yes there are some good people who voted no, I also believe that some voted no because they just have an issue with women and for some that goes as far as hatred.

BenEadir

Deleted User wrote: »

What we're getting is abortiion on demand.

Correct, that's what the people have voted for 2-1 so hopefully our elected politicians will get on with legislating for what the people have instructed them to facilitate.

SusieBlue

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Very measured post lochlach.
Having also known women who suffered miscarriage or are unable to conceive, the lack of regard some people show for the foetus up to 12 weeks must seem particularly cruel. These women would give anything to have a 12 week viable healthy foetus.
Another reason why sensitivity is required.

Sorry but that’s a cop out.
We all have a story.
We all have our own issues. We have all gone through something that will have shaped our view on this referendum.
Other women having fertility issues or experiencing losses have no relevance. I say this as someone who has had a loss myself.
It all still isn’t a legitimate reason to take a choice away from someone else.

BenEadir

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Very measured post lochlach.
Having also known women who suffered miscarriage or are unable to conceive, the lack of regard some people show for the foetus up to 12 weeks must seem particularly cruel. These women would give anything to have a 12 week viable healthy foetus.
Another reason why sensitivity is required.

Some women have a healthy foetus up to 12 weeks and for a range of reasons don't want it and conversely other women want a healthy foetus up to 12 weeks and don't have one. That is a cruel situation for both cohorts but preventing access to abortion for the former group won't improve the situation of the latter one bit.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

That's the funny thing. You can be sure that these pricks look at Bressie doing a men's mental health campaign and scoff at it being some pansy SJW bull and Bressie is some cuck asshole.

Then the next week they'll be crying about feminism and asking why nobody cares about men.

Yeah but that's because their real men init.

They appear to have the same attitude I used to encounter when working pub doors, I'm real hard and I'll do x and y to ya, 99.99% of the time just pure mouth and no trousers and bitch and moan about other people being let in.

uptherebels

end of the road wrote: »

except we weren't ignoring the health and rights and life of pregnant women. it was for our genuine care for them, and our genuine care for the unborn, that we voted no, because we believe that much much better legislation could have been provided that would specifically deal with the hard cases. you are right though, there is no point in going over old ground as we all stand by our decisians.

so please tell us how you would have provided a much much better way to legislate.
Its easy to shout you can do better, with you have no idea what better is

Wrongway1985

AllForIt wrote: »

Hatred for women? What utter nonsense.

I saw posts on social media by men saying their vote came down to some feminists view that men should not be voting on the issue so voted No out of spite. Very much a small minority but ya not consuming the question and voting out of distain for women, awful.

Shurimgreat

DubInMeath wrote: »

True religion didn't drive all no voters, some were just driven by a hatred for women as can be seen by some of the posters on the threads before the refurendum, others because it does sit with their conservative world view, again as shown by some of the posters on the threads, and others because they just didn't want it in Ireland but were fine exporting it.

May well be some no posters who would have voted yes for just the hard cases if presented, but hey the company you keep as they say, and the fact that those running the campaign were never going to support abortion for the hard cases, as per their press release that included that rape victims should be forced to carry to term.

Ignoring the fact the Iona institute fairly much demand to be included in all debates where possible, look at their outrage at steen not being added to the RTE debate Cora Sherlock pulled out of, who are the liberals and the trade unionist you mentioned?

FFS! Its like banging your head off a wall trying to talk to people like you.
The vast majority if not all of No voters don't hate women.
They are standing up for the rights of the unborn. Nothing to do at all with hating women.
To show how utterly ridiculous you sound, many many women voted against this referendum. And 50% of foetuses would one day be born as female babies if allowed to be born.
If I was to take your logic I could say "why do women want to terminate female foetuses?" And in truth 50% would be. A great day for female empowerment alright, terminating healthy female foetuses.

These are all complex issues but to say something like its because some No voters hate women is ridiculous and a bit childish.

Liberalised abortion has led to appalling female infanticide in places like India and China with tens of millions of females missing from the population. But hey as long as adult women can abort healthy foetuses I guess that's progress and we should all just get behind it.

The optics of the cheering in the last few days has been disgraceful imo.

SusieBlue

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

I saw posts on social media by men saying their vote came down to some feminists view that men should not be voting on the issue so voted No out of spite. Very much a small minority but ya not consuming the question and voting out of distain for women, awful.

More than one male poster on Boards said they were voting No just because of how passionate I was for the Yes vote.
He even went as far as to say ‘well done, because of you...’ etc.
The most recent one was the night of the Late Late show debate.
Absolutely bizarre behavior!

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

What we're getting is abortion on demand.

Yes.

Lochlach you make some great points but we have *always* had "abortion on demand".

Anyone that could afford one and wanted one went to England. And Ireland got to pretend to itself that it wasnt happening.

We are just facing up to it now.

end of the road

uptherebels wrote: »

so please tell us how you would have provided a much much better way to legislate.
Its easy to shout you can do better, with you have no idea what better is

something along the lines of the current POLDPA i reccan would have been something i could support. the POLDPA deals with extreme cases as it stands but something along it's line that wouldn't have to consider the 8th i believe would have been worth considering.

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Yes.

Lochlach you make some great points but we have *always* had "abortion on demand".

Anyone that could afford one and wanted one went to England. And Ireland got to pretend to itself that it wasnt happening.

We are just facing up to it now.

we didn't have abortion on demand legally availible in ireland though. having to travel to england doesn't equal ireland having abortion on demand given we are 2 separate countries with different legislation and different government and structures.

Shurimgreat

SusieBlue wrote: »

More than one male poster on Boards said they were voting No just because of how passionate I was for the Yes vote.
He even went as far as to say ‘well done, because of you...’ etc.
The most recent one was the night of the Late Late show debate.
Absolutely bizarre behavior!

He's a nut just like many nuts on the other side.
I've noticed your propensity to continually misrepresent No voters by the way as being all nutcases, devoid of humanity and so on.
You don't know all No voters or their motives.

The lack of tolerance from the Yes side is deeply ironic given their calls for tolerance recently. Tolerance works both ways.

captbarnacles

Shurimgreat wrote: »

FFS! Its like banging your head off a wall trying to talk to people like you.
The vast majority if not all of No voters don't hate women.
They are standing up for the rights of the unborn. Nothing to do at all with hating women.
To show how utterly ridiculous you sound, many many women voted against this referendum. And 50% of foetuses would one day be born as female babies if allowed to be born.
If I was to take your logic I could say "why do women want to terminate female foetuses?" And in truth 50% would be. A great day for female empowerment alright, terminating healthy female foetuses.

These are all complex issues but to say something like its because some No voters hate women is ridiculous and a bit childish.

Liberalised abortion has led to appalling female infanticide in places like India and China with tens of millions of females missing from the population. But hey as long as adult women can abort healthy foetuses I guess that's progress and we should all just get behind it.

The optics of the cheering in the last few days has been disgraceful imo.

Not as ridiculous as you. Where do the 'unborn' reside usually?

The cheering is in fine and normal - not one person is cheering abortion - they are cheering they have the ultimate right to make decisions about their body and not the state.

You lost. Legislation will be brought in and you will never think of it again.

Fred Swanson

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gctest50

Shurimgreat wrote: »

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The lack of tolerance from the Yes side is deeply ironic given their calls for tolerance recently.

Tolerance works both ways.

Nothing wrong with being intolerant towards intolerance

Much how you'd deal with racism

SusieBlue

Shurimgreat wrote: »

He's a nut just like many nuts on the other side.
I've noticed your propensity to continually misrepresent No voters by the way as being all nutcases, devoid of humanity and so on.
You don't know all No voters or their motives.

The lack of tolerance from the Yes side is deeply ironic given their calls for tolerance recently. Tolerance works both ways.

No, you’re actually wrong there, I speak of my personal anecdotal experiences with No voters as I find them.

And it’s funny that you noticed my ‘propensity’ to do so, I don’t recall seeing you on any abortion threads here before last week.

And if you had followed the last thread, you’d see that I had a very positive experience when LoveBoth campaigners called to my door, I found them to be friendly, respectful and polite and I posted the same when it happened.
So yeah. You’re wrong.

Shurimgreat

Shurimgreat wrote: »

FFS! Its like banging your head off a wall trying to talk to people like you.
The vast majority if not all of No voters don't hate women.
They are standing up for the rights of the unborn. Nothing to do at all with hating women.
To show how utterly ridiculous you sound, many many women voted against this referendum. And 50% of foetuses would one day be born as female babies if allowed to be born.
If I was to take your logic I could say "why do women want to terminate female foetuses?"

These are all complex issues but to say something like its because somd No voters hate women is ridiculous and a bit childish.

Really your post above sounds like you don't like to accept reality of what was posted during the threads before the vote and the attitute some men have. And it appears from your posts that your having a bit of a hard time accepting the result and are just thinking of scenarios today as you said yourself, that you might have wanted to research and educate yourself on because they were already discussed in the site, in the debates and on social media I believe as I've no time for facebook or twitter.

I'm well aware some women voted for retain my own cousin was one but she's deeply religious and voted no for SSM and divorce, one friend also voted no because she just didn't want to see it happen in Ireland

Still waiting on your liberals and trade unionist for retain who were bypassed in favour of Iona for the debates apologies if you've already posted them, since I've written this.

Shurimgreat

BenEadir wrote: »

Some women have a healthy foetus up to 12 weeks and for a range of reasons don't want it and conversely other women want a healthy foetus up to 12 weeks and don't have one. That is a cruel situation for both cohorts but preventing access to abortion for the former group won't improve the situation of the latter one bit.

As I said the optics of the cheering looks appalling given the sensitivity around the subject of the unborn. This referendum was completely different to marriage equality with complex difficult sensitive issues. It was deeply devisive. And then you had a rent a mob cheering at count centres as if Ireland had won the soccer world cup.
I can only put it down to immaturity.

SusieBlue

Shurimgreat wrote: »

As I said the optics of the cheering looks appalling given the sensitivity around the subject of the unborn. This referendum was completely different to the marriage inequality with complex difficult sensitive issues. It was deeply devisive. And then you had a rent a mob cheering at count centres as if Ireland had won the soccer world cup.
I can only put it down to immaturity.

If you don’t understand by now why people are celebrating, you never will.
It’s already been explained to you but you refuse to acknowledge it.
It isn’t about the unborn. It’s not about abortion.
It’s about the removal of a draconian law that has caused nothing but pain and suffering.

Loafing Oaf

DubInMeath wrote: »

Shurimgreat wrote: »

FFS! Its like banging your head off a wall trying to talk to people like you.
The vast majority if not all of No voters don't hate women.
They are standing up for the rights of the unborn. Nothing to do at all with hating women.
To show how utterly ridiculous you sound, many many women voted against this referendum. And 50% of foetuses would one day be born as female babies if allowed to be born.
If I was to take your logic I could say "why do women want to terminate female foetuses?"

These are all complex issues but to say something like its because somd No voters hate women is ridiculous and a bit childish.

Really your post above sounds like you don't like to accept reality of what was posted during the threads before the vote and the attitute some men have. And it appears from your posts that your having a bit of a hard time accepting the result and are just thinking of scenarios today as you said yourself, that you might have wanted to research and educate yourself on because they were already discussed in the site, in the debates and on social media I believe as I've no time for facebook or twitter.

I'm well aware some women voted for retain my own cousin was one but she's deeply religious and voted no for SSM and divorce, one friend also voted no because she just didn't want to see it happen in Ireland

Still waiting on your liberals and trade unionist for retain who were bypassed in favour of Iona for the debates apologies if you've already posted them, since I've written this.

Trade unionist is David beg I believe