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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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  • #1622
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    pleas advice wrote: »
    I thought that had nothing to do with it?

    Where did I say that?


  • #1623
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Conservatory wrote: »
    It’s just an exit poll. Hilary was president the last time and brexit was cancelled. I’d say this will be 55-45 yes. Which I think is enough that no TD will bring abortion on demand to the table. I’m happy with that

    They promised unrestricted abortion up to twelve weeks if the amendment was repealed, simple as, so that's what they'll regard as having been voted for today. You're right in that if it's a slim victory some TDs and senators may attempt to dilute the bill during committee and report stage out of standard political "controversy jitters", but I sincerely doubt it would be anywhere near enough individuals to significantly water down or delay the bill.


  • #1624
    ANDREWMUFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 484 ✭✭ANDREWMUFC


    Lets all have sex to celebrate


  • #1625
    Trasna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Trasna1


    Conservatory wrote: »
    It’s just an exit poll. Hilary was president the last time and brexit was cancelled. I’d say this will be 55-45 yes. Which I think is enough that no TD will bring abortion on demand to the table. I’m happy with that

    You are away with the fairies if you think that two exit polls that concur with each other are both massively out.

    The real count may well produce a vote for yes in excess of 70%.

    The result is so overwhelming that the proposed legislation will be further fleshed out and only have minor technical amendments to help it function.


  • #1626
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    iamtony wrote: »
    I want unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks. Happy now?

    Ye, that's great and all, but I asked do you believe a majority want that
    eviltwin wrote: »
    No one can answer that because no one knows what the majority thinks, they can only answer for themselves.

    Personally I voted for all, I've no problem with abortion "on demand". I'm confident my family and friends voted in the same manner.

    So for all intents and purposes, we were sold a pup. Abortion on demand trundled into an all or nothing vote with the hard cases, because by itself, would never have had the support of the people to be legislated


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  • #1627
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    The values in nobody wanting to take responsibility for anything anymore. People are becoming self entitled and thinking that it unfair that they become pregnant after a pleasurable night, then claim mental health grounds for a medical abortion.

    It's not unfair that they become pregnant after a pleasurable night, it's unfair that the technology and means to reverse that have existed for some time and have been denied to Irish women on religious grounds. Thankfully, barring a rather spectacular exit poll f*ck up, that regime has been firmly handed its eviction notice over the last twenty four hours.


  • #1628
    hullaballoo
    Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,793 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    Conservatory wrote: »
    It’s just an exit poll. Hilary was president the last time and brexit was cancelled. I’d say this will be 55-45 yes. Which I think is enough that no TD will bring abortion on demand to the table. I’m happy with that

    Abortion on demand is it?

    If there was ever a phrase that sums up why your side lost, that's it.

    Abortion is not something anyone ever considers unless they absolutely have to. You would want to be in total dire straits to consider having an abortion. Whether that's mentally, physically, financially or otherwise, abortion is your last option.

    No one demands abortion and no one feels good about it.

    It's sick lies and rhetoric like this that made people vote yes to cancelling the abhorrent 8th amendment.

    As if anyone wants abortion on demand. FFS.


  • #1629
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Conservatory wrote: »
    It’s just an exit poll. Hilary was president the last time and brexit was cancelled. I’d say this will be 55-45 yes. Which I think is enough that no TD will bring abortion on demand to the table. I’m happy with that

    Sorry mate but no 60 40 will be the best. 12 weeks was always on the legislation. It has been decides people have chosen please be the bigger person realise this and do not be a sore loser. It's also five the yes gloater people something to talk about. I hate each in equal measurw


  • #1630
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    The values in nobody wanting to take responsibility for anything anymore. People are becoming self entitled and thinking that it unfair that they become pregnant after a pleasurable night, then claim mental health grounds for a medical abortion.

    How long has abortion been around?

    To me terminating a pregnancy you are not prepared for is the responsible thing.


  • #1631
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    You don't believe, despite giving many other reasons in the link I sent that you that you never bothered to look at clearly, that not one person has terminated a healthy baby in a healthy pregnancy in the second trimester under the guise of mental health? Is that what you're actually saying?

    It is. Guise of mental health?...hang on...Ronan Mullen is that you?...

    I will place my trust in women to do the right thing. I will place my trust in medical practitioners to do right by their patients and provide for all options.

    Good day to you Ronan.


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  • #1632
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    I'm very disappointed, but as a believer in democracy it's time to move on. Well done to the yes side.


  • #1633
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    uptherebels wrote: »
    And how do you legislate for rape without 12 weeks?

    We already legislate for rape


  • #1634
    Kh1993
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Kh1993


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    Ireland is changing, but also losing some of its values in becoming homogenized.



    ....and there is the issue.

    What’s the issue? Young people having their say?


  • #1635
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Ye, that's great and all, but I asked do you believe a majority want that



    So for all intents and purposes, we were sold a pup. Abortion on demand trundled into an all or nothing vote with the hard cases, because by itself, would never have had the support of the people to be legislated

    I'm speaking only for myself and my nearest and dearest. I wouldn't dare presume the motivation of other voters. Nothing has changed,legislation still has to be agreed upon but with such a large majority it will be harder to go against the will of the people.


  • #1636
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    We already legislate for rape

    No we don't


  • #1637
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    hullaballoo wrote: »
    Abortion on demand is it?

    If there was ever a phrase that sums up why your side lost, that's it.

    Abortion is not something anyone ever considers unless they absolutely have to. You would want to be in total dire straits to consider having an abortion. Whether that's mentally, physically, financially or otherwise, abortion is your last option.

    No one demands abortion and no one feels good about it.

    It's sick lies and rhetoric like this that made people vote yes to cancelling the abhorrent 8th amendment.

    As if anyone wants abortion on demand. FFS.
    I say there is a tiny minority who might take it that way as a way out just a pill


  • #1638
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,714 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    How are the exit polls carried out just out of interest?


  • #1639
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hullaballoo wrote: »
    Abortion on demand is it?

    If there was ever a phrase that sums up why your side lost, that's it.

    Abortion is not something anyone ever considers unless they absolutely have to. You would want to be in total dire straits to consider having an abortion. Whether that's mentally, physically, financially or otherwise, abortion is your last option.

    No one demands abortion and no one feels good about it.

    It's sick lies and rhetoric like this that made people vote yes to cancelling the abhorrent 8th amendment.

    As if anyone wants abortion on demand. FFS.
    Really? So unless someone is absolutely ****ed they won't be getting an abortion? Please.


  • #1640
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Ye, that's great and all, but I asked do you believe a majority want that



    So for all intents and purposes, we were sold a pup. Abortion on demand trundled into an all or nothing vote with the hard cases, because by itself, would never have had the support of the people to be legislated

    The No side posters said yes meant 12 weeks, they repeated this multiple times in the radio and tv debates, stop looking so foolish on this, you are categorically, absolutely, comprehensively wrong in these statements, and could only get more wrong by going the wrong way down the wrong road in wrong town during the month of wronguary.


  • #1641
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Movementarian wrote: »
    It is. Guise of mental health?...hang on...Ronan Mullen is that you?...

    I will place my trust in women to do the right thing. I will place my trust in medical practitioners to do right by their patients and provide for all options.

    Good day to you Ronan.

    So stonewalling once again. Some pregnancies aren't noticed til later, should of read that link! So you can't accept, that maybe one person in the last 30 years in Britain, may have lied about having mental health problems in an effort to abort a healthy baby in the second trimester? But I'm being ridiculous? Not one, no?


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  • #1642
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    We already legislate for rape

    Where in the current legislation do we allow rape victims have an abortion in Ireland?


  • #1643
    Noo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭Noo


    Just woke up to these landslide exit polls. Nearly in tears telling my boyfriend. Hopefully the actual result is as accurate because wow what a statement to make with the whole world watching. Im so proud.


  • #1644
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    The values in nobody wanting to take responsibility for anything anymore. People are becoming self entitled and thinking that it unfair that they become pregnant after a pleasurable night, then claim mental health grounds for a medical abortion.

    .....I...don't...even....


  • #1645
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    I think it may be going to hell.

    Agreed. The Yes side said they wouldn't celebrate.
    Guess what, most of them lied.
    You'd swear some of them had won the lottery the way they are celebrating. They need to be reminded that aborting non viable and viable foetuses is the issue and every abortion represents trauma and tragedy for both mother and foetus.


  • #1646
    iamtony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,806 ✭✭✭iamtony


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Ye, that's great and all, but I asked do you believe a majority want that



    So for all intents and purposes, we were sold a pup. Abortion on demand trundled into an all or nothing vote with the hard cases, because by itself, would never have had the support of the people to be legislated
    I think you will find the majority of the public knew what they were voting for they are not stupid. I'm sure if anyone was against any of what has been proposed they would of had no choice but to vote no.


  • #1647
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    We already legislate for rape

    We already legislate for abortion for rape?


  • #1648
    PurvesGrundy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭PurvesGrundy


    Kh1993 wrote: »
    What’s the issue? Young people having their say?

    No, it's young people bowing to peer pressure and not being able to think for themselves. A mob mentality among youth voters even saw a pro life student union president thrown out.

    I am only a year outside that age group and am glad to know that I was true to my thought in how I voted.


  • #1649
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    astrofool wrote: »
    The No side posters said yes meant 12 weeks, they repeated this multiple times in the radio and tv debates, stop looking so foolish on this, you are categorically, absolutely, comprehensively wrong in these statements, and could only get more wrong by going the wrong way down the wrong road in wrong town during the month of wronguary.

    Ye, they did say that, because that is what the vote was. Repeal for the hard cases and validate the legislation or nothing. Many who are pro-choice voted for the hard cases, some didn't. Abortion on demand doesn't have a national majority in favour, so we got an all or no vote instead


  • #1650
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    astrofool wrote: »
    The No side posters said yes meant 12 weeks, they repeated this multiple times in the radio and tv debates, stop looking so foolish on this, you are categorically, absolutely, comprehensively wrong in these statements, and could only get more wrong by going the wrong way down the wrong road in wrong town during the month of wronguary.

    The proposed legislation provides for unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks. You knew that right? Its not a lie, its written in black and white.


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  • #1651
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    Greysquirel09 wrote: »
    The people have spoken. But guys seriously people raising shot glasses to the result as I seen tonight. Let's celebrate abortion. Really poor taste.

    Celebrate abortion? Nah.

    Celebrating potentially being free from an absolutely ridiculous and archaic law that reduced them to nothing more than vessels with no say or influence over the fate over their own pregnancies? Absolutely, 35 years of this nonsense, of illegal abortions, of flights and ferries across the water to access something that should have been made available to them in their own home country where they can receive the appropriate aftercare and support they deserve? I don't like abortion, but I'm glad that 3000+ women may potentially not have to be shunted off on a flight out of here. I'd rather them have it here than there, surrounded by their loved ones and great support.


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