Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

PurvesGrundy · 26-05-2018 01:09AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

The college students and millennial didn’t swing this vote.
It had support across the board from all age groups and demographics. Clearly many of the ‘undecided’ and ‘not saying’ voters were silent Yesses.
Please feel free to tell yourself whatever lies necessary to deal with the fact that Ireland is changing and is all the better for it.

Ireland is changing, but also losing some of its values in becoming homogenized.

Kh1993 wrote: »

Yes from this 18-25yr old. And don’t know anyone my age that voted No.

....and there is the issue.

fritzelly · 26-05-2018 01:10AM

Never added anyone to an ignore list on this forum but now will be adding members - sick of hearing the same tripe from some people or the same under different guises (don't really know)
Sore losers and all that that will not just accept defeat and still persist in arguing with people about a mute point

Greysquirel09 · 26-05-2018 01:10AM

The people have spoken. But guys seriously people raising shot glasses to the result as I seen tonight. Let's celebrate abortion. Really poor taste.

uptherebels · 26-05-2018 01:11AM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Ireland is changing, but also losing some of its values in becoming homogenized.

RCC values doesn't equal Irish values

Ursus Horribilis · 26-05-2018 01:11AM

The abortion laws have been throwing up problematic cases for as long as I can remember. If you're old enough, you'll remember the X case and the C cases from the 1990s. More recently we've had the needless death of Savita Halappanavar. So even if you don't think you know anybody who has had an abortion, cases like these will have made the news in your lifetime. I like to think that most Irish people have enough life experience and pragmatism to recognise that abortion isn't the black and white issue the No side wanted to portray.

hatrickpatrick · 26-05-2018 01:11AM

storker wrote: »

This. I often get impatient with the No side during debates, not so much because I disagree with them - disagreement I can handle - but because most of their arguments are decoys behind which is hiding the one big one: God Sez.

I firmly believe that even if it could be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that abortion was indeed a fix for mental illness, that women would never feel any regret for abortions later in life, that healthcare was better under where abortion was available, that the availability of abortions would mean that less abortions would take place and that a 12-week old fetus has zero awareness of anything, they would still be against it. Because God. This is THE reason. Everything else is just smoke.

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Pretty much. I'd go one step further and specify that it's because humans who have exalted themselves over the centuries as the one definitive purveyors of God's word have been selling the totally erroneous belief that the Abrahamic God is utterly obsessed with sexual immorality and that a person who has a cheeky w@nk is literally worse than a mass murderer.

It's really amazing how selectively such folks have chosen to present the Bible over the centuries. The Bible is actually full of some of the most poetic and cheesy erotica around if you know which particular chapters to take a gander at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_Songs

How beautiful are your feet in sandals, prince’s daughter!
Your rounded thighs are like jewels,
the work of the hands of a skillful workman.
Your body is like a round goblet,
no mixed wine is wanting.
Your waist is like a heap of wheat,
set about with lilies.
Your two breasts are like two fawns,
that are twins of a roe.
Your neck is like an ivory tower.
Your eyes are like the pools in Heshbon by the gate of Bathrabbim.
Your nose is like the tower of Lebanon which looks toward Damascus.
Your head on you is like Carmel.
The hair of your head like purple.
The king is held captive in its tresses.
How beautiful and how pleasant you are,
love, for delights!
This, your stature, is like a palm tree,
your breasts like its fruit.
I said, “I will climb up into the palm tree.
I will take hold of its fruit.”
Let your breasts be like clusters of the vine,
the smell of your breath like apples,

Beloved

Your mouth like the best wine,
that goes down smoothly for my beloved,
gliding through the lips of those who are asleep.
10 I am my beloved's.
His desire is toward me.
Come, my beloved, let us go out into the field.
Let us lodge in the villages.
Let’s go early up to the vineyards.
Let’s see whether the vine has budded,
its blossom is open,
and the pomegranates are in flower.
There I will give you my love.
The mandrakes produce fragrance.
At our doors are all kinds of precious fruits, new and old,
which I have stored up for you, my beloved.

But y'know, sex in the missionary position for the purposes of procreation. :rolleyes:

Movementarian · 26-05-2018 01:12AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

There's many reasons. Read the link I sent you which outlines many. Is that going to be the attitude now? Bury our collective heads in the sand to the reality that healthy unborn's will be aborted in horrific fashion in the second trimester? I'd have more respect for what your saying if you just honestly admitted that you didn't really care about how they'll suffer, instead of trying to convince people it won't really happen at all

I never said it wont happen at all. It will happen in circumstances where the womans life or health is in danger or if its FFA. All exactly as it should and as the vast majority of people agree it should.

Honestly think you dont even know what point you are making. You voting No would have changed nothing about what you have said, women who needed it or wanted it would have gone to the UK to get it. You keep ignoring that point because it doesnt suit.

freshpopcorn · 26-05-2018 01:12AM

The other fantastic things about a repeal vote are no patronising speech from Leo and Simon if Ireland did vote No and the ministers can go back to work and stop Tweeting about this!

Conservatory · 26-05-2018 01:12AM

It’s just an exit poll. Hilary was president the last time and brexit was cancelled. I’d say this will be 55-45 yes. Which I think is enough that no TD will bring abortion on demand to the table. I’m happy with that

iamtony · 26-05-2018 01:12AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

There doesn't need to be a referendum about euthanasia. There's nothing in the constitution prohibiting it so there's nothing to change or add to the constitution in a referendum. The Oireachtas could legislate for it tomorrow if they wanted to.

OK then a public consultation to see if we would like them to set it up for us:-)

PurvesGrundy · 26-05-2018 01:12AM

uptherebels wrote: »

RCC values doesn't equal Irish values

I never said they did. This referendum for me was a conscience issue rather than a religious one.

The Golden Miller · 26-05-2018 01:12AM

uptherebels wrote: »

What point is that? People knew it would be 12 weeks and voted overwhelmingly for it.

But I guess we all can't be as open minded as you

The majority repealed for the hard cases, but to do that had to validate a legislation for abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks. It became an all or nothing vote. Hard cases and abortion on demand or nothing. I do not believe, nor has anyone been able to give me a straight answer, that the will of the majority supports abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks i.e the hard cases won this. No one will accept that, they'll dance around it, but won't give a straight answer

astrofool · 26-05-2018 01:13AM

iamtony wrote: »

No maybe it wouldn't pass easily but nice to put it to the people like a lot of things should.
OK we should have a referendum on wither we should ban religion teaching of any kind in the public funded schools system.

The future amendments are likely to be technical things, women's place at home, the blasphemy law, Seanad reform (more power for the Seanad will never happen, but how it's elected might change).

Unification might require some amendments as well, we can't force Irish onto the unionist community, for example.

Atlantic Dawn · 26-05-2018 01:14AM

Night all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW1hv37imjw

iamtony · 26-05-2018 01:14AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The majority repealed for the hard cases, but to do that had to validate a legislation for abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks. It became an all or nothing vote. Hard cases and abortion on demand or nothing. I do not believe, nor has anyone been able to give me a straight answer, that the will of the majority supports abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks i.e the hard cases won this. No one will accept that, they'll dance around it, but won't give a straight answer

I want unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks. Happy now?

Loafing Oaf · 26-05-2018 01:15AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Never added anyone to an ignore list on this forum but now will be adding members - sick of hearing the same tripe from some people or the same under different guises (don't really know)
Sore losers and all that that will not just accept defeat and still persist in arguing with people about a mute point

Ironically all their points will be mute to you from now on..:

eviltwin · 26-05-2018 01:15AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The majority repealed for the hard cases, but to do that had to validate a legislation for abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks. It became an all or nothing vote. Hard cases and abortion on demand or nothing. I do not believe, nor has anyone been able to give me a straight answer, that the will of the majority supports abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks i.e the hard cases won this. No one will accept that, they'll dance around it, but won't give a straight answer

No one can answer that because no one knows what the majority thinks, they can only answer for themselves.

Personally I voted for all, I've no problem with abortion "on demand". I'm confident my family and friends voted in the same manner.

uptherebels · 26-05-2018 01:15AM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

I never said they did. This referendum for me was a conscience issue rather than a religious one.

So what values have we lost?

martingriff · 26-05-2018 01:15AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

There doesn't need to be a referendum about euthanasia. There's nothing in the constitution prohibiting it so there's nothing to change or add to the constitution in a referendum. The Oireachtas could legislate for it tomorrow if they wanted to.

I know that but there is no way they would do that. If it is to happen then a vote in it is the right thing

FingerDeKat · 26-05-2018 01:15AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Off topic I know but what does the word IONA mean?

I Only Need Anal or so i was told by katie ascough.

storker · 26-05-2018 01:16AM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Ireland is changing, but also losing some of its values in becoming homogenized.
....and there is the issue.

But the homogenous forelock-tugging and subservience to the Church was, of course, OK. Got it.

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pleas advice · 26-05-2018 01:16AM

uptherebels wrote: »

Looks like 12 weeks had 70 % support to me

I thought that had nothing to do with it?

The Golden Miller · 26-05-2018 01:16AM

Movementarian wrote: »

I never said it wont happen at all. It will happen in circumstances where the womans life or health is in danger or if its FFA. All exactly as it should and as the vast majority of people agree it should.

Honestly think you dont even know what point you are making. You voting No would have changed nothing about what you have said, women who needed it or wanted it would have gone to the UK to get it. You keep ignoring that point because it doesnt suit.

You don't believe, despite giving many other reasons in the link I sent that you that you never bothered to look at clearly, that not one person has terminated a healthy baby in a healthy pregnancy in the second trimester under the guise of mental health? Is that what you're actually saying?

hatrickpatrick · 26-05-2018 01:17AM

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Ireland is changing, but also losing some of its values in becoming homogenized.

....and there is the issue.

The death of sexual conservatism is in no way an "issue", and personally as a lover of Irish culture, I find it kinda sad that people would equate the values beaten (literally

) into several generations of Irish people by the iron fist of an authoritarian religious organisation with "Irish values". There's so, so much more to Ireland than social conservatism, which has been a national doctrine for a period of time which is a drop in the bucket compared with the centuries over which Ireland has been developing as a society, and creating its own identity for itself.

I like to think of the age of extreme sexual repression during the last hundred years in Ireland as a bit like the self-destructive phases people often go through in their adolescent years, only to look back nostalgically on them in their late teens and early twenties with a lense of "Oh my God, what was I thinking?"

uptherebels · 26-05-2018 01:17AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The majority repealed for the hard cases, but to do that had to validate a legislation for abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks. It became an all or nothing vote. Hard cases and abortion on demand or nothing. I do not believe, nor has anyone been able to give me a straight answer, that the will of the majority supports abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks i.e the hard cases won this. No one will accept that, they'll dance around it, but won't give a straight answer

And how do you legislate for rape without 12 weeks?

astrofool · 26-05-2018 01:17AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The majority repealed for the hard cases, but to do that had to validate a legislation for abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks. It became an all or nothing vote. Hard cases and abortion on demand or nothing. I do not believe, nor has anyone been able to give me a straight answer, that the will of the majority supports abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks i.e the hard cases won this. No one will accept that, they'll dance around it, but won't give a straight answer

Quick, jump in the van and get those posters quickly, otherwise you might look like an idiot!

Movementarian · 26-05-2018 01:18AM

iamtony wrote: »

I want unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks. Happy now?

Goldenmiller has been given the straight answer multiple times by multiple people. His reponse usually says the person is too dim to understand.

Beginning to think they might be a few mental cards short of a mental pack.

Das Reich · 26-05-2018 01:18AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Good, the values it's losing are outdated piles of shite.

Wait for the invasion of islam in Europe. They would end that americanized culture in Ireland.

26-05-2018 01:18AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Ironically all their points will be mute to you from now on..:

Ah some of them will still their have "bloody feminists" "bloody immigrants" circle jerk threads

See above as an example.

PurvesGrundy · 26-05-2018 01:18AM

uptherebels wrote: »

So what values have we lost?

The values in nobody wanting to take responsibility for anything anymore. People are becoming self entitled and thinking that it unfair that they become pregnant after a pleasurable night, then claim mental health grounds for a medical abortion.

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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