Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

storker

Deleted User wrote: »

Does this mean all those wasters on those bridges over the N11 in Foxrock/Stillorgan/UCD at 7:30am each morning (still there at 6:30pm) will go away and find some work like real people have to?

It really pisses me off that these complete tossers and their stupid rightwing/liberal ideology and jejune know-it-all-teenager certainties about life are screaming at working people telling them how to vote while we go off and finance these wasters in "education" and layaboutery generally with our taxes. 'Honk your horn', my arse. Get a job.


I look forward to all that right-on passionate campaigning being put into the much greater disaster that is our health system and all its extraordinary injustices against poor people (including deaths from misdiagnosis, waiting lists and so much else), or homeless people or, you know, a whole raft of things that might affect the pockets of our ultra economically conservative Irish

I'm pretty sure it already is. People voting for yes seem to me to be many of the same people who criticise the government about the homeless and healthcare. The Iona institute and right-wing anti-choice types and their thralls have certainly given no indication that they give two hoots about anyone once they're outside the womb.

I think you've got your "enemies" all mixed up.



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The Golden Miller

Movementarian wrote: »

And more scaremongering, draft legislation is specific on this point. Once past 24 weeks it is only in the case of FFA or serious risk to the life/health of the mother that an abortion will be legal. And it has to be agreed by two medical practicioners. This is more restrictive than the UK and clearly only meant for last resort. You are purposefully describing it as if it will be an 'ah what the hell lets do it decision'.

Just grow up, the public didnt buy it and can clearly see the logic to it. After all what is the alternative? Let the mother die? Let both die? Force to carry a FFA to term?

People like you are why this is just awful. Nobody I know wants to be happy about this, its all tragic, but you and people like you with your constant belittling of others morals and this 'oh you will all be killing babies in the morning' makes it so hard to engage with you.

As is the case in the UK, the mental health card will be played, and like the UK, two medical practitioners are not actually going to turn anyone away feigning mental health (I'm not saying there aren't real cases). Nor do we have a guarantee that over time a future government will not liberalise this further. I don't actually believe it's scaremongering, unless you are trying to actually tell me second trimester abortions won't happen? And why wouldn't they? Many that voted yes, don't really understand the reality and suffering that many unborn will now face.

Sheeps

Pregnant women will now have more power than appointed judges.

SusieBlue

This is unprecedented.
I was quietly confident that Repeal might just win, but never by this much. I thought the opinion polls might reveal a 1/2% margin.
This is so unexpected but most welcome!

It looks like a lot of our ‘not saying’ and ‘undecided’ voters in polls were actually silent Yesses.

There were lots of tears of relief in my house tonight. I know we don’t have a final result yet, but I am so proud of the people of this country.
The progressions our society has made over the last 20 years is outstanding.

And hopefully tomorrow it will be confirmed that we are a compassionate, caring, adapting, modern, progressing society, for the whole world to see.

NeoVaradkar

storker wrote: »

I can. All it takes is a realisation that not everyone shares your own beliefs and shouldn't necessarily be bound by them.




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Why even bother going to a Christian based Church if you dont believe in any of its values?.

Never find a Muslim doing such mind.

freshpopcorn

Off topic I know but what does the word IONA mean?

I pass a house and it's called IONA and whilst she goes to mass she's being divorced, remarries, had more kids, etc.

realitykeeper

realitykeeper wrote: »

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

You might want to try this for the men and women abused by the church and were denied a voice for so long.

The Golden Miller

retro:electro wrote: »

How can you possibly know this? Stop talking shiite

Well I know a few directly and questioned them about the process of pregnancy

Zaph

Hellrazer wrote: »

Amazing how liberal we've become in 30 years.

That's what happens when you deny people access to contraception, abortion, etc., you end up with a large population of young people and it all comes back to bite you in the ass.

eviltwin

Give it a day or two and the antis will cast off their faux "love both" mantle and show their true colours.

hatrickpatrick

Just want to add that while this wasn't really addressed during the campaign, it's blindingly obvious that many, many people claiming to care about human lives being "lost" to abortion are using that as a mask to hide their real problem, which is with sexuality being used as a purely hedonistic vehicle for human enjoyment of the moment, disregarding the ridiculous exaltation of human sexuality to some sort of whispered ethereal plane of existence for which there is no objective justification beyond individual belief. The mask slipped several times during this thread in those moments when tempers flared and people started referring to "sluts" and what not - these people couldn't give a rat's behind about human life, what they're pedalling, consciously or not, is the archaic and vile ideology put forth by early 20th century establishment figures that pleasure for the sake of pleasure is an inherently bad thing and must be restricted and minimised through any means necessary.

So many of the people I saw promoting a no vote are people I've seen objecting to the cervical cancer vaccine in the past on the grounds that it causes horrible side effects, and objecting to gay marriage on the grounds of "won't someone think of the children". It doesn't take a genius to step back and realise that these people object to others having the freedom not to treat sexuality as a sacred thing if they don't want to, simple as.

I wish these folks would just come out and admit it - what they really have a problem with is the idea that "original sin" is a bullsh!t concept, that human suffering is in no way as good or positive thing, and that humans in general should seek to maximise their enjoyment and pleasure in life insofar as they can do so without harming others, because at the end of the day there may be an afterlife, but there might also just be this, here, now, in the present.

I'm not suggesting that anyone isn't entitled to their opinion, I'd just love to see more people being transparent and honest about it. If you have a problem with the pursuit of pleasure for the sake of pleasure then just say so! Stop hiding behind mental gymnastics to justify measures which make it more difficult for people to pursue personal happiness and pleasure, when really it's that pursuit in and of itself which you find so monstrously offensive.

freshpopcorn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Off topic I know but what does the word IONA mean?

I pass a house and it's called IONA and whilst she goes to mass she's being divorced, remarries, had more kids, etc.

Probably a reference to Iona abbey.

bodice ripper

realitykeeper wrote:

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

And kill the first born sons to punish a man who you already made to act against you.

retro:electro

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Off topic I know but what does the word IONA mean?

I pass a house and it's called IONA and whilst she goes to mass she's being divorced, remarries, had more kids, etc.

I Only No Always

Try_harder

Irish Central Ad geo targeting me with specific county video from Love Both- that must have cost a fortune - bit late mind

Yer Da sells Avon

I wonder if TheLiberal.ie will bother reporting the result. After the marriage equality referendum, they didn't bother. After months of poorly-written opinion pieces, all shat out by Leo Sherlock himself, but purporting to be from young women, teachers, mothers, etc... when the result was announced, he just pretended it hadn't happened.

Ozymandius2011

The no side ran a very emotional campaign and in some cases used very disturbing images of dead foetuses which I think backfired badly.

Try_harder

Jetstone wrote: »

As my wife and I will be trying for a baby soon, it puts my mind at ease that we can abort if it has down syndrome.or some other disability. It would ruin our lives to have to raise such a child.

Disability will NOT be a grounds for abortion

storker

SusieBlue wrote: »

It looks like a lot of our ‘not saying’ and ‘undecided’ voters in polls were actually silent Yesses.

Before the vote I was wondering if there would be many people who would stay home because they couldn't bring themselves to vote in favour of repeal but couldn't bring themselves to vote against it either. If the predicted result is correct, it seems that didn't happen, and there were many people prepared to go all the way and drive a stake through the heart of the 8th, even if it was reluctantly.




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Ken.

Iona means blessed in scots Irish which might be where its from,

Cantona's Collars

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Off topic I know but what does the word IONA mean?

I pass a house and it's called IONA and whilst she goes to mass she's being divorced, remarries, had more kids, etc.

IONA

Ignorant of national affairs.

Ardent

Matthew Bald Mimosa wrote: »

As stated earlier I voted YES and said I wouldn't rejoice at a YES victory.

Its looking like a landslide YES, and my earlier sentiments stand.

I feel no sense of triumph. I don't feel like shouting 'we won' and I still wish that no one would ever have to resort to an abortion.

Any woman, or couple out there who is facing the question of abortion, I just wish you strength, love and respect.

I feel like rejoicing. But only because of the dirty tricks and lies from the No side throughout. I remember complaining bitterly to my wife about the 1-in-5-UK-babies poster when I saw it for the first time.

And also because of their rabid campaigning - even on the eve of the vote some unknown dude arrived at my door (I live in a rural area) and his 6 year old daughter handed me a flyer.

PurvesGrundy

From here on in I can see parents being judged for bringing children with Down Syndrome, spina bifida or any other congenital disorder into this world.

hatrickpatrick

Try_harder wrote: »

Irish Central Ad geo targeting me with specific county video from Love Both- that must have cost a fortune - bit late mind

How these eejits couldn't have set their ad campaign to expire at midnight on polling day is beyond me. I've run online ads before, you can literally time the beginning and end of your ad campaign right down to the minute, let alone the hour.

Surely it couldn't possibly be the case that whoever paid for and set up these ad campaigns wasn't operating on Irish time, and therefore unwittingly set their ads to expire at a midnight hour which is, oh I don't know, five or six hours later than ours? :pac:

_Dara_

I don’t know if I’m totally off-base here but does anyone else think that Brexit and Trump’s election were influential in that they highlighted the dangers of complacency and the importance of getting off your arse and voting? They were both big historical landmarks and I think they have left an impression.

The Golden Miller

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

The no side ran a very emotional campaign and in some cases used very disturbing images of dead foetuses which I think backfired badly.

True, the yes side didn't really like standing over the pictures of second trimester abortions, and hysterically cried propaganda everytime.

Zaph

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Off topic I know but what does the word IONA mean?

I pass a house and it's called IONA and whilst she goes to mass she's being divorced, remarries, had more kids, etc.

Iona is an island in Scotland where St. Columba built a monastery. Probably something to do with that.

fritzelly

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

I wonder if TheLiberal.ie will bother reporting the result. After the marriage equality referendum, they didn't bother. After months of poorly-written opinion pieces, all shat out by Leo Sherlock himself, but purporting to be from young women, teachers, mothers, etc... when the result was announced, he just pretended it hadn't happened.

Both sides are said to be optimistic about winning the referendum, while bookies put the Yes side slightly ahead at this time.

LMAO - talk about emu's (and that post was only a few hours ago)

Movementarian

The Golden Miller wrote: »

As is the case in the UK, the mental health card will be played, and like the UK, two medical practitioners are not actually going to turn anyone away feigning mental health (I'm not saying there aren't real cases). Nor do we have a guarantee that over time a future government will not liberalise this further. I don't actually believe it's scaremongering, unless you are trying to actually tell me second trimester abortions won't happen? And why wouldn't they? Many that voted yes, don't really understand the reality and suffering that many unborn will now face.

Mental health card....I wonder if you even hear yourself.

So not only do you not trust Irish women, after all they could play this mental health card right now in the UK if they wantes to, but you also dont trust two medical practitioners to make the right medical decision.

You keep saying others arent informed but I jave to say of all the posters here its you who seems this least informed to me.

storker

storker wrote: »

Before the vote I was wondering if there would be many people who would stay home because they couldn't bring themselves to vote in favour of repeal but couldn't bring themselves to vote against it either. If the predicted result is correct, it seems that didn't happen, and there were many people prepared to go all the way and drive a stake through the heart of the 8th, even if it was reluctantly.




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Just back from town and friend of mine admitted she was undecided until a few days ago (which tbh I was very surprised about...thought she was a definite Yes). She said that hearing about a woman that was going through cancer treatment and would have had to stop the treatment if she become pregnant pushed her to vote Yes.