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New York Jets Thread

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  • #1262
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭phatkev


    hots wrote: »
    Very surprised Rosen fell, just injury concern?

    Yeah it must be, because to me he was the most polished qb coming into the draft. I'm happy he didn't end up in the AFC East!


  • #1263
    notobtuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I’m happy with the Jets pick of Sam Darnold, but my only fear at this point is a possible repeat of Mark Sanchez.  Sanchez’s undoing was his failure to protect the ball and turnovers.  That is the concern also of Darnold.  I think the Jets first choice would have been Baker Mayfield, for the same reason, with Darnold second if available to them.  After Mayfield was picked at #1 I don’t think the Jets had much to worry about someone moving into the #2 spot to grab Darnold.  The Giants look to be committed to Eli Manning for a couple more years and probably thought the aging QB just needed some help in the backfield.  So the Giants looked to be hot on Saquon Barkley, who will improve the team on day one.  The Giants were not going to let Barkley slip to the #4 spot for the Browns to take.  The only possible trade option would have been if some other team traded with the Browns for the #4 spot and then turned around and traded up to the #2 spot to get Darnold with the Giants going #4 to get Barkey.  That’s a lot to accomplish in 10 minutes.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #1264
    Jolly Red Giant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I’m happy with the Jets pick of Sam Darnold, but my only fear at this point is a possible repeat of Mark Sanchez.  Sanchez’s undoing was his failure to protect the ball and turnovers.  That is the concern also of Darnold.  I think the Jets first choice would have been Baker Mayfield, for the same reason, with Darnold second if available to them.  After Mayfield was picked at #1 I don’t think the Jets had much to worry about someone moving into the #2 spot to grab Darnold.  The Giants look to be committed to Eli Manning for a couple more years and probably thought the aging QB just needed some help in the backfield.  So the Giants looked to be hot on Saquon Barkley, who will improve the team on day one.  The Giants were not going to let Barkley slip to the #4 spot for the Browns to take.  The only possible trade option would have been if some other team traded with the Browns for the #4 spot and then turned around and traded up to the #2 spot to get Darnold with the Giants going #4 to get Barkey.  That’s a lot to accomplish in 10 minutes.

    The Broncos looked to trade up with the Giants to get Darnold - the Giants stuck at 1.2 because they were worried the Browns would take Barkley at 1.4 (which they probably would have).


  • #1265
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Jets go with DT Nathan Shepherd in third. Hadnt heard a whole lot about him but a good few draft guys had him as a second round pick. He'll be 27 in September though which I dont like, especially if he needs to redshirt his first year

    EDIT: Scratch that he'll be 25 which is still old but not nearly as bad!


  • #1266
    hots
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    phatkev wrote: »
    Jets go with DT Nathan Shepherd in third. Hadnt heard a whole lot about him but a good few draft guys had him as a second round pick. He'll be 27 in September though which I dont like, especially if he needs to redshirt his first year

    EDIT: Scratch that he'll be 25 which is still old but not nearly as bad!

    He's a big fella! Great highlight reels mauling people.


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  • #1267
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭phatkev


    hots wrote: »
    He's a big fella! Great highlight reels mauling people.

    yeah his highlights are fairly impressive, but I'd worry how much of that was down to him just being way more powerful than his division 2 counterparts and how much was down to technique? I dont think raw power would be enough for him to get the best of NFL caliber linemen.

    Interesting that they went for two division two players, the other being Trenton Cannon (his highlight reel is madden like!!) who could get a run at punt/kick returner.

    Finally, a lot of draft heads are praising the Nickerson pick, it would be great to have found Skrines replacement with a 6th round pick!


  • #1268
    hots
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    phatkev wrote: »
    yeah his highlights are fairly impressive, but I'd worry how much of that was down to him just being way more powerful than his division 2 counterparts and how much was down to technique? I dont think raw power would be enough for him to get the best of NFL caliber linemen.

    Interesting that they went for two division two players, the other being Trenton Cannon (his highlight reel is madden like!!) who could get a run at punt/kick returner.

    Finally, a lot of draft heads are praising the Nickerson pick, it would be great to have found Skrines replacement with a 6th round pick!

    Yup lots of raw picks for sure, Nickerson as joint quickest player in the draft right?


  • #1269
    notobtuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Right now in the QB position you have Sam Darnold, Josh McCown, Teddy Bridgewater, Christian Hackenberg, and Bryce Petty.  I think Petty is sure to be gone.  They’ll most probably need to cut one more QB. Hackenberg is the obvious choice, but Bridgewater’s knee and essentially not playing for two years has to be of major concern.  I think the Jets might hold onto Hackenberg into training camp to see if he shows some value and improvement, and if he does, trade Bridgewater to a QB needy team if he’s healthy.

    Offensive guard positions are still a big question.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #1270
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭phatkev


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Right now in the QB position you have Sam Darnold, Josh McCown, Teddy Bridgewater, Christian Hackenberg, and Bryce Petty.  I think Petty is sure to be gone.  They’ll most probably need to cut one more QB. Hackenberg is the obvious choice, but Bridgewater’s knee and essentially not playing for two years has to be of major concern.  I think the Jets might hold onto Hackenberg into training camp to see if he shows some value and improvement, and if he does, trade Bridgewater to a QB needy team if he’s healthy.

    I read lately that Bridgewater will more than likely not be ready to go for the start of the season, so I could see him been a possibly cut(dont think they waste much cap doing so). As you said I think Petty is as good as gone, might hold on to him through camp/preseason to see if they if they can trade him for anything. I dont think Macc is ready to accept his mistake in drafting Hackenberg, so I think he gets another year on the roster :rolleyes:
    Offensive guard positions are still a big question.

    Its not only at guard, the whole line is an issue!


  • #1271
    notobtuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Hackenberg hired a new personal instructor to train with this offseason in Jeff Christensen. Christensen also works with Jimmy Garoppolo and Kirk Cousins, so he has a track record of success.  With two seasons behind him and no regular season playing time Hackenberg knows he’ll need to show significant improvement if he’s any hope of saving his spot on the Jets, or he brought in Christensen knowing he’ll probably need to audition for a new team.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • #1272
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭phatkev


    notobtuse wrote: »
     I think Petty is sure to be gone.  

    word on social media saying Petty has been cut. Good guy, sh1te QB unfortunately


  • #1273
    hots
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    phatkev wrote: »
    word on social media saying Petty has been cut. Good guy, sh1te QB unfortunately

    Yeah got the notification for that too, shame we couldn't snag a late pick for him all the same, could still see him making backup somewhere.


  • #1274
    L.S.F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭L.S.F


    Got tickets for week 15 v the Texans in MetLife. 3rd Jets game for me and can't wait for the season to start now!


  • #1275
    notobtuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Jet traded Hackenberg to the Raiders in exchange for a conditional seventh-round pick next year. This came about several hours after Hackenberg made critical comments about the coaching staff to the press.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #1276
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭phatkev


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Jet traded Hackenberg to the Raiders in exchange for a conditional seventh-round pick next year. This came about several hours after Hackenberg made critical comments about the coaching staff to the press.

    Surprised they managed to even get a 7th for him! From a 2nd rounder to a 7th in 2 years, definitely one of Maccs worst moves as gm


  • #1277
    notobtuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    In a way I could see the Jets taking a chance on Hackenberg… but he should have gone in later rounds of that draft… definitely not the 2nd round.  I’m a Penn State fan.  Hackenberg’s freshman year with PSU was superb and he was then touted as a top future draft pick at the time.  He played under Bill O’Brien that year.  His last two years James Franklin changed the offensive scheme and Hackenberg didn’t fare so well.  So… was it Hackenberg or the change in coaching staff at PSU that was responsible for his decline?  IMO, it was worth a risk to find out in perhaps the 4th or 5th rounds, but not the 2nd.

    Now let's hope Bridgewater's is healthy enough to play.  Otherwise, who would the Jets go to as number 2 QB if they need to?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #1278
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭phatkev


    notobtuse wrote: »
    In a way I could see the Jets taking a chance on Hackenberg… but he should have gone in later rounds of that draft… definitely not the 2nd round.  I’m a Penn State fan.  Hackenberg’s freshman year with PSU was superb and he was then touted as a top future draft pick at the time.  He played under Bill O’Brien that year.  His last two years James Franklin changed the offensive scheme and Hackenberg didn’t fare so well.  So… was it Hackenberg or the change in coaching staff at PSU that was responsible for his decline?  IMO, it was worth a risk to find out in perhaps the 4th or 5th rounds, but not the 2nd.

    Now let's hope Bridgewater's is healthy enough to play.  Otherwise, who would the Jets go to as number 2 QB if they need to?

    If Bridgewater isn't fit, I assume it will be McCown and Darnold


  • #1279
    Moist Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Moist Bread


    Hackenberg was traded to the Radiers.


  • #1280
    franglan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭franglan


    I was baffled at the pick originally as the majority of analysts had him beyond the second round. It didn't work out, it didn't work out so badly that he never took the field which is damning - that's football sometimes. Look at Conor Cook too who the raiders drafted, showed promise in College with talk he could have been a first round pick. Has been forgotten about in the NFL.


  • #1281
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,777 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The Hackenburg pick is merely the latest incident in a long legacy of incompetence by the franchise. Decades of doing stupid stupid things. He was an absolutely terrible NFL prospect and the rumours of his performance as a Jet are stunning. Dreadful stuff.


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  • #1282
    notobtuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Bridgewater looked pretty good in the OTA session.  Which means the Jets will probably trade him away right around preseason and bring in Kaepernick.  :getlost:

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #1283
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,081 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The Orlando Sentinel had an article about Tebow, broke his hand in a game for the double-A Mets affiliate, gone for the season and maybe this'll be it as he's in his early 30's and won't make the major leagues this year, it's getting pretty late. He was having an 'all-star' minor league season, but he's really not a great baseball player.

    The writer pointed out that as an NFL starter, Tebow's career record was 8-4 with a playoff win for Denver, and never could land another starting gig. I personally saw him run the wildcat the year he played for the Jets. Not sure what all the hate was for this guy, so many bad QB's out there, you'd have thought he might've gotten a better shot. Understanding who gets to play QB in the NFL is impossible, so much politicking, seems super corrupt in a lot of ways.

    Not sure where I got to the Tebow link, but I can't access the Orlando Sentinel directly from Ireland right now. Yet another 'we can't do the GDPR' US website. Google tebow orlando sentinel, and good luck.


  • #1284
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,777 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Igotadose wrote: »
    The Orlando Sentinel had an article about Tebow, broke his hand in a game for the double-A Mets affiliate, gone for the season and maybe this'll be it as he's in his early 30's and won't make the major leagues this year, it's getting pretty late. He was having an 'all-star' minor league season, but he's really not a great baseball player.

    The writer pointed out that as an NFL starter, Tebow's career record was 8-4 with a playoff win for Denver, and never could land another starting gig. I personally saw him run the wildcat the year he played for the Jets. Not sure what all the hate was for this guy, so many bad QB's out there, you'd have thought he might've gotten a better shot. Understanding who gets to play QB in the NFL is impossible, so much politicking, seems super corrupt in a lot of ways.

    Not sure where I got to the Tebow link, but I can't access the Orlando Sentinel directly from Ireland right now. Yet another 'we can't do the GDPR' US website. Google tebow orlando sentinel, and good luck.

    Tebow was 8 - 4 with a playoff win but from a metrics perspective during that run he was terrible.

    Tebow was offered opportunities to keep playing as a football player, but not as a QB. Having him on the field as a H back type utility option made sense. But he wanted to be under centre and - in that context - having him on a roster with all his associated media attention wasn't worth it.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/9640640/tim-tebow-refused-change-positions-report

    If you're interested in this topic, it's covered pretty conclusively here:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056581435


  • #1285
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭phatkev


    First day of camp today and still no sign of Darnold signing. I know its a bit early for panic station to be setting in, but it a bit annoying that they cant agree on the offset language of the contract of the QB you traded up to get and hope to be your franchise QB


  • #1286
    corner back 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭corner back 2


    phatkev wrote: »
    First day of camp today and still no sign of Darnold signing. I know its a bit early for panic station to be setting in, but it a bit annoying that they cant agree on the offset language of the contract of the QB you traded up to get and hope to be your franchise QB

    Surely annoying and seems like his agent is trying to squeeze the Jets. At the moment the NY media and social media are all blaming Darnold. Not a great start at all for him.


  • #1287
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭phatkev


    corner back 2 wrote: »
    Surely annoying and seems like his agent is trying to squeeze the Jets. At the moment the NY media and social media are all blaming Darnold. Not a great start at all for him.

    the agent has had a history of these kinds of situations. Its stupid from the Jets to delay it, i mean he gets the same amount of money regardless, its just the way in which he receives it that seems to be the stumbling block


  • #1288
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Darnold has signed


  • #1289
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Anybody watch the game last night? Looked pretty average on both sides of the ball. biggest worry is the o-line, they were constantly beat last night, I really hope Beachum and Winters injuries aren't that bad and can be ready to go week 1, or else whoever is playing QB will have a horrid time!

    There was distinct lack of pressure on the opposing QB too, I imagine Macc is keeping a close eye on the Mack situation in Oakland


  • #1290
    L.S.F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭L.S.F


    Only watched the 5 minute highlights on NFL app, O-Line seems to be the problem.

    Who's the starter for week 1 is the big question tho.

    I've always liked Teddy and he would be my choice.


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  • #1291
    hots
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    L.S.F wrote: »
    Only watched the 5 minute highlights on NFL app, O-Line seems to be the problem.

    Who's the starter for week 1 is the big question tho.

    I've always liked Teddy and he would be my choice.


    I still think he gets traded out, someone will get desperate for him.


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