The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

ohnonotgmail · 22-05-2018 12:44PM

DOS wrote: »

'We saw off'. Lol!! On so many levels that's hilarious! You sound like your in Dad's army!

Whatever the result on Saturday the Republic of Ireland will retain a strong core of at least 40% with strong Christian values. Quite something in this secular age. A Christian light that will never be extinguished.

The land with no values, no morals that you and others propose will be one of unhappiness, high suicide rates, bleak and empty of concern for others. The cult of the individual will dominate along with tawdry commercialism.

when i was young it 80-90% and people actually knew the local parish priest and listened to him. Not that you had much choice.

pitifulgod · 22-05-2018 12:45PM

jibber5000 wrote: »

It's not as emotive as Una Mullally's article today in the Irish Times.
"Where were no when babies were put in septic tanks". The vast majority of the no side weren't alive when that happened but don't let that impact on emotive headlines which have nothing to do with abortion

A fair few of the more prominent religious campaigners led attacks on Corless when she exposed it though.

DOS · 22-05-2018 12:45PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Divorce was a moral issue, a christian issue.
Marriage equality was a moral issue, a christian issue.
There is a growing silent majority in this country who refuse to be told what is morally or ethically right by those who allowed Tuam to happen. Magdalene to happen. Who protected hundreds of child abusing priests.

You and your kind are dying out. Ireland is moving on. Our women deserve far better than what you and your ilk are peddling.

'you and your kind are dying out'. I'm in my 20s so hopefully have a bit to go. Your language is hate filled. Church scandals are rightly condemned as mankind sins. But the Christian message will always ring through.

I work with young Christians and we are not dying out. Despite the bitterness you pedal.

ohnonotgmail · 22-05-2018 12:46PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Gets better

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/998906784160022529

on a self-declared ‘hunger strike’ (though he went home and ate at night).

odd to see him observing ramadan

suicide_circus · 22-05-2018 12:47PM

He has a lovely scarf

DOS · 22-05-2018 12:47PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

when i was young it 80-90% and people actually knew the local parish priest and listened to him. Not that you had much choice.

At least the 40% now are there out of choice. Not the 80/90% in your day who went to Church as it was 'the thing to do's.

OldNotWIse · 22-05-2018 12:47PM

DOS wrote: »

'you and your kind are dying out'. I'm in my 20s so hopefully have a bit to go. Your language is hate filled. Church scandals are rightly condemned as mankind sins. But the Christian message will always ring through.

I work with young Christians and we are not dying out. Despite the bitterness you pedal.

And in addition, the no campaigners refuse to believe that someone can be against abortion but not religious. I identify as a pro-life atheist - I don't need religion to teach me right from wrong! :pac:

captbarnacles · 22-05-2018 12:49PM

DOS wrote: »

At least the 40% now are there out of choice. Not the 80/90% in your day who went to Church as it was 'the thing to do's.

Won't be 40% in 5 years. The era of Catholic Ireland is over.

DOS · 22-05-2018 12:50PM

Long live life from the womb to the tomb!

From when the sperm and egg fuse and the DNA and 46 chromosomes are present to form a human being which is unique throughout history.

spookwoman · 22-05-2018 12:50PM

Bloody heathens and atheists thinking for themselves :eek:

jibber5000 · 22-05-2018 12:50PM

gmisk wrote: »

Well thats not exactly true is it? considering Mother and Baby Homes run by religious orders were still in existence until the late 1990s.

And where did they put babies in septic tanks in the 1990s?
The Tuam mother and Baby home where this happened closed in 1961

LuckyLloyd · 22-05-2018 12:51PM

DOS wrote: »

'you and your kind are dying out'. I'm in my 20s so hopefully have a bit to go. Your language is hate filled. Church scandals are rightly condemned as mankind sins. But the Christian message will always ring through.

I work with young Christians and we are not dying out. Despite the bitterness you pedal.

In the 35 years since the 8th amendment was voted in we've seen:

- decriminalisation of homosexuality
- the closure of the type of horrible places that produced the shame of Tuam and Magdalene
- the exposure of the catholic church's long and disgraceful legacy of child abuse
- legalisation of divorce
- marriage equality
- state funded non denominational schools

And the 'Christian message' opposed all of it to varying extents. My language may seem hateful to you but it pales in comparison to the evils religion has meted out to people in this state.

And to top it off, as you should well know, the 8th has failed in its intent. We have abortion in this state, it just happens in Liverpool and Manchester and London, etc. It is time.

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2018 12:51PM

DOS wrote: »

The land with no values, no morals that you and others propose will be one of unhappiness, high suicide rates, bleak and empty of concern for others.

But George Soros will buy us ice cream!

gmisk · 22-05-2018 12:52PM

DOS wrote: »

At least the 40% now are there out of choice. Not the 80/90% in your day who went to Church as it was 'the thing to do's.

40% of who?
Catholic people in ireland?
Church attendances are in the toilet in ireland...

Mankind sins?

Naw do you mean for example the systematic and calculated cover up of the abuse of children throughout the world by organizations like the catholic church which is still ongoing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_cases_by_country

Wow we are so lucky to have the "christian light" arent we!

ohnonotgmail · 22-05-2018 12:52PM

DOS wrote: »

At least the 40% now are there out of choice. Not the 80/90% in your day who went to Church as it was 'the thing to do's.

I doubt it is even anything like 40% that go to mass regularly and even less that actually practice their religion faithfully. A la carte catholics for the most part. My local church holds a couple of hundred people. In an area that contains thousands. The church i was baptised in, the church of the annunciation in finglas, will be closed because there are not enough people attending. The catholic church is on its knees.

spookwoman · 22-05-2018 12:53PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I doubt it is even anything like 40% that go to mass regularly and even less that actually practice their religion faithfully. A la carte catholics for the most post. My local church holds a couple of hundred people. In an area that contains thousands. The church i was baptised in, the church of the annunciation in finglas, will be closed because there are not enough people attending. The catholic church is on its knees.

Probably less many just got their kids baptised so they could get them into a school

DOS · 22-05-2018 12:54PM

captbarnacles wrote: »

Won't be 40% in 5 years. The era of Catholic Ireland is over.

Look at the numbers attending communions and confirmations across Christian persuasions. Practice of faith is cyclical and many are returning. I'm CoI, huge amount at church. I went with an RC friend to mass in Portlaoise, massive turnout of all ages.

You probably aren't aware of this as you don't attend church I presume and are brain washed by secular media who would never print these things.

B0jangles · 22-05-2018 12:54PM

DOS wrote: »

Long live life from the womb to the tomb!

From when the sperm and egg fuse and the DNA and 46 chromosomes are present to form a human being which is unique throughout history.

Identical twins.

uptherebels · 22-05-2018 12:55PM

DOS wrote: »

'you and your kind are dying out'. I'm in my 20s so hopefully have a bit to go. Your language is hate filled. Church scandals are rightly condemned as mankind sins. But the Christian message will always ring through.

I work with young Christians and we are not dying out. Despite the bitterness you pedal.

Sadly religion will never die out, but the luckily the RCC in Ireland is slowly being reduced to insignificance. It's just clinging by its fingernails to the last bit of its "culture" and influence. A thousand cuts and all that

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2018 12:56PM

DOS wrote: »

From when the sperm and egg fuse and the DNA and 46 chromosomes are present to form a human being which is unique throughout history.

I wonder what happens to a little test tube babies soul when the embryo is frozen indefinitely?

jibber5000 · 22-05-2018 12:56PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The same moral absolutism that produced the shame of Tuam wants to continue denying healthcare in this state to women in distress. That same moral absolutism told us society would fall apart if divorce was allowed; that same moral absolutism - after shaming and persecuting homosexuals for decades - told us that marriage should be the preserve of heterosexual people only.

I can see where Una Mullally is coming from. I also see exactly where Eilis O' Hanlon is coming from too - a place of great judgement and condemnation, utterly bereft of care or compassion.

Nobody is arguing that? If she wanted to state her point as you did why didn't she? Tuam closed down in 1961 when very few on the no side were alive. It is a deliberately emotive piece of journalism.

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ohnonotgmail · 22-05-2018 12:57PM

DOS wrote: »

Look at the numbers attending communions and confirmations across Christian persuasions. Practice of faith is cyclical and many are returning. I'm CoI, huge amount at church. I went with an RC friend to mass in Portlaoise, massive turnout of all ages.

You probably aren't aware of this as you don't attend church I presume and are brain washed by secular media who would never print these things.

I've been to many communions and confirmations in the last few years. it is the only time that most are inside a church.

juanjo · 22-05-2018 12:57PM

DOS wrote: »

brain washed

indeed

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-05-2018 12:57PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I wonder what happens to a little test tube babies soul when the embryo is frozen indefinitely?

Well according DOS interpretation the morning after pill = abortion

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circadian · 22-05-2018 12:58PM

DOS wrote: »

'you and your kind are dying out'. I'm in my 20s so hopefully have a bit to go. Your language is hate filled. Church scandals are rightly condemned as mankind sins. But the Christian message will always ring through.

I work with young Christians and we are not dying out. Despite the bitterness you pedal.

I know quite a few Christians from Presbyterian and Church of Ireland backgrounds who are voting repeal. These are some of the kindest, most upstanding people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.

One thing they have NEVER done is judged me or others nor have they ever tried to force their views on me and they certainly do not believe that the rule of law should be dictated by their religious beliefs.

To me, these people represent what the teachings of Christ are about. As an atheist I would view them as true, real Christians.

patrickSTARR · 22-05-2018 12:58PM

I have had 2 callers to the door, one from each. Neither tried to really engage with me which I found disappointing after I said I was undecided. .

As a voter who is leaning yes, but doesn't agree with everything the yes side represents, I find it mad that neither side tried to really push their vote on me. Refreshing one hand, but I actually wanted to engage.

uptherebels · 22-05-2018 12:59PM

DOS wrote: »

Look at the numbers attending communions and confirmations across Christian persuasions. Practice of faith is cyclical and many are returning. I'm CoI, huge amount at church. I went with an RC friend to mass in Portlaoise, massive turnout of all ages.

You probably aren't aware of this as you don't attend church I presume and are brain washed by secular media who would never print these things.

Yet churches downsizing, reducing services, retired priests still working because there are hardly any new ones coming through. But yes it's all a secular media scam.

We will see what happens to those numbers at communions and confirmations when they loose control of education in schools - what was that about brainwashing?

kylith · 22-05-2018 12:59PM

DOS wrote: »

'you and your kind are dying out'. I'm in my 20s so hopefully have a bit to go. Your language is hate filled. Church scandals are rightly condemned as mankind sins. But the Christian message will always ring through.

I work with young Christians and we are not dying out. Despite the bitterness you pedal.

Is that the Christian message of ‘stone women who have sex outside marriage to death’, ‘beat the babies of your enemies to death against rocks’, or ‘women who are raped have to marry their rapist and don’t get a say in the matter’ ?

The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

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