Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

beerbaron · 22-05-2018 12:42PM

ted1 wrote: »

Sorry meant to say let bing in Bray, Shankill is half way between the two and he seems to socialise in Ballybrack

Where ? I didnt see this reported.

chicorytip · 22-05-2018 12:45PM

Spanish Eyes wrote:

No problem with him being shot. None. For one thing it has saved us a fortune in free legal aid and endless appeals and personal notoriety.

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

suicide_circus · 22-05-2018 12:49PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

I'll not shed a tear

Irishcrx · 22-05-2018 12:49PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

Boo hoo for him , should have thought about that before he murdered an innocent young girl and presented a knife when approached.

If anything , I'm glad the Gardai are taking a no nonsense approach to this.

tayto lover · 22-05-2018 12:49PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

It's only shocking to you because you want it to be.
A blind man could see that your only reason to be on here is to knock the Garda.
I'm thankful that the vast vast majority of posters could see through you and even laugh at your posts.

kippy · 22-05-2018 12:50PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

You have access to all the facts by the looks of things?
Care to share?

chicorytip · 22-05-2018 12:50PM

suemurray wrote:

An asian lady was attacked with acid in south dublin six months ago, another asian lady was attacked by knife in dun loagaire couple of months. Cases not connected. Raonaid murray stabbed at killed in 1999 in south dublin - unsolved case to this day and they are only cases local to me

In the Dun Laoighre case a youth was subsequently arrested and is facing a charge of attempted murder.

Grayson · 22-05-2018 12:56PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

Depends. We don't know exactly what happened do we? What if he was charging the gardai and was at close range with the knife?

I'm sure the GSOC will have an investigation and release details in the fullness of time.

iamwhoiam · 22-05-2018 12:56PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

Unless you were there how on earth would you know the facts ?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/mark-hennessy-note-wicklow-murder-12577698

It is said he was “super aggressive” and slashed at his body and lunged at gardai with a knife. It is understood he was struck in the head, chest and arm.
Gardai had begged Hennessy to drop the blade, he then began to self-harm, stabbing at himself. Then he advanced towards the officer – stabbing at him. A detective then fired a shot to protect his colleague.

_Brian · 22-05-2018 12:57PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

I have complete support for the guards on this.

Funny the only people I see complaining about guards are those who have issues living within the law. For those of us happy to live within the law we see the guards as the frontline of society doing their best to hold back a tide of degenerate scumbags while having one hand tied behind their back and a section of society hammering out on SM how things could be done so much better.

I would support paying guards better.
Arming the average guard with non lethal defence like tazars etc.
Massive mandatory sentencing for those injuring guards in the line of duty.

Raging_Ninja · 22-05-2018 01:02PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

He was attempting to murder an unarmed Garda. Were they supposed to take it like stoic philosophers?

And "trained marksman"? Where do you get that info from?

You don't shoot to injure, there is no such thing as a safe place to shoot somebody. You shoot for where you can hit - centre of mass usually or whatever is the largest part of the target that you can see and reasonably hit.

sideswipe · 22-05-2018 01:04PM

iguana wrote: »

I've watched the videos of Mark Hennessy that so many people find "chilling" and there is nothing weird about them at all. In the car one, he's obviously agreed to be filmed saying he's super happy with his car as some part of deal with the car salesman. He's just a bit awkward and fake as he's not an actor but he wants the free car mats or whatever is being offered in exchange for being in the video. In the second he could be any guy you'd see in a pub. Drunk and possibly being a bit of a dick but nothing that would set off major alarm bells. If those videos were in the media because he'd been killed in a tragic car accident people would just think he seemed like a normal guy. There is nothing about him in either video that screams murderer. Because that's the thing with many murderers, they don't go through life giving off creepy killer vibes.

The 'chilling' element is not induced by his action on screen. It's induced by the person watching, it's a normal enough looking situation on screen, to see his smiling face and 'normal' actions of a person who would go on to carry out the despicable and depraved act. It's almost the normality mixed with the knowledge of what has happened that makes it 'chilling'.

Not really a religious person but I hope with every fibre of my being that that poor girls parents get the strength and courage they need for the unimaginable grief they must be going through.

A bullet in the head was too easy a way out for this guy. Not too mention the parents of other girls that have disappeared wondering if he may have taken secrets of their disappearance to his grave.

chicorytip · 22-05-2018 01:05PM

suicide_circus wrote:

I'll not shed a tear

Irishcrx wrote:

Boo hoo for him , should have thought about that before he murdered an innocent young girl and presented a knife when approached.

Irishcrx wrote:

If anything , I'm glad the Gardai are taking a no nonsense approach to this.

tayto lover wrote:

It's only shocking to you because you want it to be. A blind man could see that your only reason to be on here is to knock the Garda. I'm thankful that the vast vast majority of posters could see through you and even laugh at your posts.

I'll not shed a tear for him either, believe me, but the cruel fact is that his death may intensify the grief of Justyne's family given that had he survived and been brought to trial the motivation for his actions may have become clear. It's unlikely, now, that we will ever know.
To suggest that my posts in this thread are in some sense written to denigrate An Garda Siochana is utterly ludicrous. The point I am raising - and it is a valid point - relates to the training and competence of armed officers in these specific types of situations.

An Ri rua · 22-05-2018 01:05PM

If she has kin in the Philippines, they surely are reading and will desperately search for succour over coming years. As with her friends, Irish and abroad. Similarly for those little boys and Hennessey's wider family. A world of pain out there. This thread is populated by both rational people and also genuine assh*les. In fact, could make a good honey trap for some maladjusted people....

McMurphy · 22-05-2018 01:07PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

Ah c'mon.

The guards need to be praised for their swift and professional reaction to this, and binging it to a quick conclusion.

The bad guy got shot?

Tough.

And if it makes a single would be abducter stop and think again, this lads plight was well worth it.

Jesus wept.

lawred2 · 22-05-2018 01:10PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

lol

get a grip will you...

bloodless_coup · 22-05-2018 01:12PM

chicorytip wrote: »

The level of violence deployed by the Gardai in this incident was shocking to me. It is inexplicable how a trained marksman could not shoot merely to disable rather than kill through the head. Hennessy was not physically intimidating and had already self inflicted injuries. He was not an armed bank robber. Even in an American context this would be shocking.

Apparently he was shot in the shoulder as he bent over and the bullet exited his shoulder into his head.

I'd say 100% of the people criticising the guards would have shat themselves and run a mile if they were confronted by a fella who had cut himself multiple times, covered in blood, acting threatening towards you and your colleagues and at that point in time I'm sure they were well aware of the probably that he'd killed a girl in the previous 24hours.

allthedoyles · 22-05-2018 01:12PM

If Garda had a body cam it would help

Raging_Ninja · 22-05-2018 01:12PM

chicorytip wrote: »

To suggest that my posts in this thread are in some sense written to denigrate An Garda Siochana is utterly ludicrous. The point I am raising - and it is a valid point - relates to the training and competence of armed officers in these specific types of situations.

I think you need to search for the video of the 4 Honduran police officers being stabbed (one of them fatally) by a knife-wielding assailant because they were too slow to use their firearms.

I've said it before in this thread - knife attacks are no joke and the level of danger they represent should not be underestimated.

chicorytip · 22-05-2018 01:17PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

He was attempting to murder an unarmed Garda. Were they supposed to take it like stoic philosophers?

And "trained marksman"? Where do you get that info from?

You don't shoot to injure, there is no such thing as a safe place to shoot somebody. You shoot for where you can hit - centre of mass usually or whatever is the largest part of the target that you can see and reasonably hit.

Of course they are trained, for heavens sake!! They are an elite armed group within the force - the Emergency Response Unit.

wakka12 · 22-05-2018 01:18PM

Dont get why people care the gardai shot him, its just a pity it was in the head and got such a quick death

Kuva · 22-05-2018 01:19PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

I think you need to search for the video of the 4 Honduran police officers being stabbed (one of them fatally) by a knife-wielding assailant because they were too slow to use their firearms.

I've said it before in this thread - knife attacks are no joke and the level of danger they represent should not be underestimated.

Stanley knife this guy had going by reports.

billybonkers · 22-05-2018 01:19PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

I think you need to search for the video of the 4 Honduran police officers being stabbed (one of them fatally) by a knife-wielding assailant because they were too slow to use their firearms.

I've said it before in this thread - knife attacks are no joke and the level of danger they represent should not be underestimated.

This guys username checks out

Raging_Ninja · 22-05-2018 01:20PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Of course they are trained, for heavens sake!! They are an elite armed group within the force - the Emergency Response Unit.

This is the first mention that the ERU were involved. By all accounts it was a detective.

DMcL1971 · 22-05-2018 01:23PM

Ms2011 wrote: »

Part of me (selfishly) would like for them to have known each other. I am a female who regularly walks alone for exercise and the thoughts that some random passer by could abduct you in a car frightens the bejayus out of me

Python Desk wrote: »

Be thankful you aren't a man, men are significantly more likely to be the victims of unprovoked attacks.

Men may be statistically more likely to be the victims of unprovoked attacks. But there is a huge difference between an average bloke being punched in the street by another average bloke and a woman being attacked by a man.

The average man stands a reasonable chance of fighting off an attacker. You might not win the fight but you could land a few blows and kicks to discourage the attacker and he would be hard pressed to get you into the back of his car.

But the average man would have little difficulty knocking a woman straight to the ground with one punch or just lifting her up and throwing her into a car.

As a man, when I walk down the street the worst that is likely to happen to me is that someone will punch me in the face. Not enjoyable but I'll soon get over it. Therefore I have little fear. But a woman walks down the street knowing that there is a real possibility that any man walking towards her is probably capable of physically overpowering her, raping her or murdering her.

Luckily by far the vast majority of men have no intention of doing that.

A quote from True Detective. Men and women will never be truly equal as long as one of them is capable of killing the other with their bare hands.

shane. · 22-05-2018 01:23PM

allthedoyles wrote: »

If Garda had a body cam it would help

They hardly get overtime

Tippex · 22-05-2018 01:24PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Of course they are trained, for heavens sake!! They are an elite armed group within the force - the Emergency Response Unit.

Yes they are but the ERU are not the ones who shot it was a local detective from shankill afaik.

DwightSchrute1 · 22-05-2018 01:24PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Of course they are trained, for heavens sake!! They are an elite armed group within the force - the Emergency Response Unit.

It appears to have been a detective that shot him. As far I am aware, Gardai are trained to kill, not disable. I think you have been watching too many John Wayne and Clint Eastwood movies if you think it works like that.

whiskeyman · 22-05-2018 01:25PM

chicorytip wrote: »

. The point I am raising - and it is a valid point - relates to the training and competence of armed officers in these specific types of situations.

Unless you were there, you don't know the specifics of this situation.

irishrover99 · 22-05-2018 01:35PM

suemurray wrote: »

An asian lady was attacked with acid in south dublin six months ago, another asian lady was attacked by knife in dun loagaire couple of months. Cases not connected. Raonaid murray stabbed at killed in 1999 in south dublin - unsolved case to this day and they are only cases local to me

Thanks, you've really put me at ease

.
My Wife is Asian and it is not unusual for her to be approached by drunks and the odd drug addict while she's been out and about.
On Sunday morning she told me that when she was getting her taxi home from work the night before, the taxi man knew exactly where she was going when she got into the car, which took her by suprise.

He then reminded her that during last summer, her had brought her home after some drunk bloke had be harassing her in Ranelagh while waiting for the taxi. The taxi man picked my wife up and told that guy to FCUK off.

Then Sunday evening when this story really broke and i read it, it was the first time i'd waited up specifically for her to finish work because of worry.

She is a chef and finishes late most nights,sometimes getting the bus and then maybe taxis at the weekend. I've already spoke to her about been more vigilant about who's around her since this happened.

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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