Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

paw patrol · 22-05-2018 09:24AM

Reati wrote: »

Actually this kind of sloppy points to someone who has done it before in some cases. Getting away with it a few times, doesn't consider it likely to be caught so doesn't think about hiding it.

If he hadnt got spotted, he likely wouldn't have been caught. His reported behavior afterwards (media reporting he went to pub) and hanging around local Sunday says he wasn't too worried till he likely heard the radio reports looking for him.

It's hard to think he was that sloppy on purpose but who knows what is going on in his head.

I don't really disagree as he could have been over confident .

But to use his own car....that takes some amount of brain fart

BarryD2 · 22-05-2018 09:53AM

Reati wrote: »

If he hadnt got spotted, he likely wouldn't have been caught.

In that location, he was almost certain to be spotted on an average Saturday afternoon/ early evening. It's a busy enough road even mid week during the day.

But as for killing this poor girl, where did he manage that in the short time nearby? All those places like Carrickgolligan, Rathmichael attract a lot of walkers and people out for drives etc., partic at weekends. Surely somebody would have heard something?

CeilingFly · 22-05-2018 09:58AM

This case shows how bad social media is and how people spout utter rubbish without thinking.

Within hours of the murderer being named we had people claiming he was at his kid's communion (oldest kid is 2), a mad liverpool fan (he wasn't) and working on a named building site (he was a QS not a bricklayer)

What people forgot to do is think - yep, there might be more than one person with the same fairly common name living in the Bray area where there are over 40,000 people in the greater area.

Mrsmum · 22-05-2018 10:12AM

I think it might be just as well he is dead because his actions were so off the wall ie the sloppiest of abductions & murders, that I actually think he would have probably been found not guilty due to insanity or something like that.

BettyBoo2011 · 22-05-2018 10:13AM

God love the poor family.

I saw on an article on the Journal today that there is a Go Fund me page set up for her family, how does one know if it’s valid or not? Ie that her family will get the money? I want to donate but am nervous it’s not a real one or they won’t get the money. We had this happen with another case in our community recently where loads of strangers were coming of woodwork to set up Go Fund me pages and the family had not requested it and never got the money..

Thanks

https://ie.gofundme.com/jastine-valdez-memorial

Sundew · 22-05-2018 10:20AM

Outreach Ireland have set up an official GoFundMe Page to help the family repatriate the body. https://www.gofundme.com/jastine-valdez-memorial

Edited@ Betty Boo hadnt seen your post before I start typing.

Uncharted · 22-05-2018 10:21AM

Just found out this morning that he used to work on the same construction site as myself.

He worked as a crane banksman in Dun Laoghaire.

I dont remember him because our paths would not have crossed but others who recall him being there say he was as quiet as a mouse with a shy awkward demeanour. As ordinary as the next guy. Mad stuff.

Grayson · 22-05-2018 10:26AM

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Unpixelated one.

2nd video down the page.

https://twitter.com/mulvey1980/status/998596977905586176?s=07

He looks like any random bloke.

I do get the fascination with him though. This was for everyone involved, including all of us, a completely random event. I can't think of anything similar in living memory. Even for a more populous country it's not normal. I, and I think most people, held out some hope that she might be found well although the longer it went on the less we had.

As fascinating as it it, and as humans we have a desire to talk about stuff like this to make sense of it, we should remember that the Ms. Valdez had family and friends. The killer too left behind victims in his own family. He had young kids who will have to grow up with this over their heads.

We should avoid reading too much into everything. I'm sure that because of our interest there will be a drip drip of salacious information from the tabloids.

iamwhoiam · 22-05-2018 10:31AM

BettyBoo2011 wrote: »

God love the poor family.

I saw on an article on the Journal today that there is a Go Fund me page set up for her family, how does one know if it’s valid or not? Ie that her family will get the money? I want to donate but am nervous it’s not a real one or they won’t get the money. We had this happen with another case in our community recently where loads of strangers were coming of woodwork to set up Go Fund me pages and the family had not requested it and never got the money..

Thanks

https://ie.gofundme.com/jastine-valdez-memorial

Does anyone know if its legit ? I am not very savy in such matters but would love to help out

BettyBoo2011 · 22-05-2018 10:33AM

Thanks.

That seems to be the same page. Where are you seeing it’s set up by Outreach Ireland?

I’m trying to confirm the validity of the page and that any money being raised (which is already sizeable) is going straight to her family. The last thing anyone wants is some other scumbag taking advantage which seems to often happen with Go Fund me pages ( I hope that’s not the case with this one but am following up to check)

Sundew wrote: »

Outreach Ireland have set up an official GoFundMe Page to help the family repatriate the body. https://www.gofundme.com/jastine-valdez-memorial

Edited@ Betty Boo hadnt seen your post before I start typing.

Wheety · 22-05-2018 10:35AM

BettyBoo2011 wrote: »

God love the poor family.

I saw on an article on the Journal today that there is a Go Fund me page set up for her family, how does one know if it’s valid or not? Ie that her family will get the money? I want to donate but am nervous it’s not a real one or they won’t get the money. We had this happen with another case in our community recently where loads of strangers were coming of woodwork to set up Go Fund me pages and the family had not requested it and never got the money..

Thanks

https://ie.gofundme.com/jastine-valdez-memorial

The guy from Outreach was on Nova this morning talking about this page. I would be as sure as possible that the family would get the money. Not much more you can do apart from setting up a page yourself. I'm going to send a few quid to this one anyway.

BettyBoo2011 · 22-05-2018 10:35AM

Apologies I see the line about outreach ireland on it- just a sentence though. I’m going to call them to confirm they are involved and getting the money to her parents and I will gladly be donating then.

BettyBoo2011 wrote: »

Thanks.

That seems to be the same page. Where are you seeing it’s set up by Outreach Ireland?

I’m trying to confirm the validity of the page and that any money being raised (which is already sizeable) is going straight to her family. The last thing anyone wants is some other scumbag taking advantage which seems to often happen with Go Fund me pages ( I hope that’s not the case with this one but am following up to check)

iamwhoiam · 22-05-2018 10:38AM

BettyBoo2011 wrote: »

Apologies I see the line about outreach ireland on it- just a sentence though. I’m going to call them to confirm they are involved and getting the money to her parents and I will gladly be donating then.

I just saw this and it might help

Raymond Garrett, director of operations at Outreach Ireland, a Filipino community group, told Morning Ireland that “there’s no words” to describe the tragedy.

Then when you go into the gofundme page the organiser is the same name

About the Organizer
Raymond Garrett
322 Facebook Friends
Fundraising Team:
Fundraising Team
This person will receive your donation directly.
All payments are final and cannot be refunded.

22-05-2018 10:39AM

Uncharted wrote: »

Just found out this morning that he used to work on the same construction site as myself.

He worked as a crane banksman in Dun Laoghaire.

I dont remember him because our paths would not have crossed but others who recall him being there say he was as quiet as a mouse with a shy awkward demeanour. As ordinary as the next guy. Mad stuff.

Seems he might have been naturally very socially maladjusted and relied on substances, drink & drugs, which had a disastrous effect on his behaviour. As the guards say, there will no doubt be a history of violent events that might have not gone this far. He might have made hopeless attempts to give up the drink, it will all emerge. He might have been like an angel with his family at home, but then went out on drunken sprees of antisocial behaviour.

Ms2011 · 22-05-2018 10:43AM

Part of me (selfishly) would like for them to have known each other. I am a female who regularly walks alone for exercise and the thoughts that some random passer by could abduct you in a car frightens the bejayus out of me

Wheety · 22-05-2018 10:45AM

It's also on the Outeach website

http://outreachireland.com/index.php/jastine-valdez-memorial-fund/

Don't know much about Outreach but did see the Philippine ambassador was over from London and was brought to a restaurant owned by Raymond Garrett. Fecking Irish charities

Anyway, not to take away from this, but I think the fundraising is genuine. Lots of papers running with it too.

Uncharted · 22-05-2018 10:45AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seems he might have been naturally very socially maladjusted and relied on substances, drink & drugs, which had a disastrous effect on his behaviour. As the guards say, there will no doubt be a history of violent events that might have not gone this far. He might have made hopeless attempts to give up the drink, it will all emerge. He might have been like an angel with his family at home, but then went out on drunken sprees of antisocial behaviour.

Who knows. It's an indication of one thing though. You just don't know what people are capable of when the sh1t hits the fan.

BettyBoo2011 · 22-05-2018 10:46AM

Thanks a mill. Great to see something set up to help the family.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I just saw this and it might help

Raymond Garrett, director of operations at Outreach Ireland, a Filipino community group, told Morning Ireland that “there’s no words” to describe the tragedy.

Then when you go into the gofundme page the organiser is the same name

About the Organizer
Raymond Garrett
322 Facebook Friends
Fundraising Team:
Fundraising Team
This person will receive your donation directly.
All payments are final and cannot be refunded.

22-05-2018 10:50AM

Omackeral wrote: »

At least there is some moderation here in fairness and its not purely knee jerk mob rule

Captain Obvious · 22-05-2018 10:59AM

Gardai now believe that Ms Valdez' suspected abductor and killer, Mark Hennessy, may have killed her within an hour of the abduction before dumping the body in the remote location.

I'm kinda glad to hear this in that it rules out some disturbing possibilities. I hope the note he left explains what happened.

Textronic · 22-05-2018 11:03AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I'm kinda glad to hear this in that it rules out some disturbing possibilities. I hope the note he left explains what happened.

The note will prob be self-excusatory as usual

Sundew · 22-05-2018 11:08AM

BettyBoo2011 wrote: »

Thanks.

That seems to be the same page. Where are you seeing it’s set up by Outreach Ireland?

I’m trying to confirm the validity of the page and that any money being raised (which is already sizeable) is going straight to her family. The last thing anyone wants is some other scumbag taking advantage which seems to often happen with Go Fund me pages ( I hope that’s not the case with this one but am following up to check)

Definitely legit. Also hear a guy from Outreach Ireland being interviewed by Pat Kenny on Newstalk earlier and the details for the page were given out.
Bettyboo Multitasking here and hadnt seen your other post

kingofclay · 22-05-2018 11:13AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I'm kinda glad to hear this in that it rules out some disturbing possibilities. I hope the note he left explains what happened.

Yeah, I mean the end result is still the same but for Jastines' sake I hope that she knew him and that she didn't have to go through extended anguish and torment. Still horrible, still dreadful way to spend your last hour on earth, but if it was my sister, knowing she wasn't at the mercy of some screwball for 24 hours before her death would help a small bit in the grieving process.

That's my perspective as an outsider, if it was my sister who endured the same faith I would wager I'd find it hard to distinguish between the two.

Fr Tod Umptious · 22-05-2018 11:17AM

whiskeyman wrote: »

Did he return home on Sat night, or stay in his car after the pub?
Or maybe he stayed somewhere else?

Was he in a pub Saturday night ?

There is no evidence to suggest he was

Mrsmum · 22-05-2018 11:17AM

kingofclay wrote: »

Yeah, I mean the end result is still the same but for Jastines' sake I hope that she knew him and that she didn't have to go through extended anguish and torment. Still horrible, still dreadful way to spend your last hour on earth, but if it was my sister, knowing she wasn't at the mercy of some screwball for 24 hours before her death would help a small bit in the grieving process.

That's my perspective as an outsider, if it was my sister who endured the same faith I would wager I'd find it hard to distinguish between the two.

But if they were known to each other, surely there would be no need to grab her from the side of the road ??

o1s1n · 22-05-2018 11:21AM

Mrsmum wrote: »

But if they were known to each other, surely there would be no need to grab her from the side of the road ??

If you were going to snatch someone you knew then this is exactly what you would do.

Wait for them at the dodgy part of their commute home.

Suckit · 22-05-2018 11:21AM

Just reading over the posts since yesterday and the seriousness and tragedy seems to have escaped many

.

As for

AnneFrank wrote: »

No I value all life, I'm sickened by it, god bless her poor family Rip

Obviously "all life" just doesn't include Jastine Valdez ahead of your bullshít agenda :mad:.
Posts are possiby worse than all the twitter crap combined.

Were the reports that the video of him in the pub confirmed to be taken on Saturday night? A few news sources saying it was :eek::mad::mad::mad:.

Nicola Tallant on RTE made one good point about the abduction. The speed and precision in which he did it, could mean that he has done it before.

Very sad. Pure and utter scumbag.

Textronic · 22-05-2018 11:22AM

o1s1n wrote: »

If you were going to snatch someone you knew then this is exactly what you would do.

Wait for them at the dodgy part of their commute home.

I doubt that

kingofclay · 22-05-2018 11:23AM

My theory originally was that he wouldn't punch her to get her into the car if he knew her. He would have coerced her in through a sense of ownership as in 'You really have no other option but to get into the car' and then sort of slowed up got out and ushered her in before she could realise that I probably should run here. However, if the speculation is true then perhaps he was more vengeful and that would explain punching Jastine. It ties into her time of death as well. I'm not sure if we can talk about it here, I mean it's a discussion board but I don't know what the line is between discussion and distasteful speculation.

whiskeyman · 22-05-2018 11:26AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Was he in a pub Saturday night ?

There is no evidence to suggest he was

Reported in the Irish Mirror and possibly linking the video to it.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/psycho-killer-kidnapper-mark-hennessys-12575654

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