Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 06:21PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

According to the witness he gave her a punch. A fully grown man punching a petite woman who I assume has had no exposure to violence her whole life would be enough to get people to do something against their will.

where is all this info coming from? At least put a source up.

First targeting Bray Gardai, then the Garda who shot him, now targeting the witness.

Sundew · 21-05-2018 06:23PM

Suckit wrote: »

I never said she was in the front. I just said it was reported in a few papers that a Woman was seen in an SUV in a distressed state.

Someone on Twitter mentioned that it was his childs firt holy communion yesterday.
Do they have them on a Sunday?
https://twitter.com/Ccurley0Carol/status/998592988874969088

In most rural churches they are on a Sunday!

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 06:24PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

where is all this info coming from? At least put a source up.

First targeting Bray Gardai, then the Garda who shot him, now targeting the witness.

I never targeted any Gardai.

The punch was definitely reported in the press.

eviltwin · 21-05-2018 06:25PM

Suckit wrote: »

I never said she was in the front. I just said it was reported in a few papers that a Woman was seen in an SUV in a distressed state.

Someone on Twitter mentioned that it was his childs firt holy communion yesterday.
Do they have them on a Sunday?
https://twitter.com/Ccurley0Carol/status/998592988874969088

I meant in the car itself rather than the boot. I just don't see why he would move her. It doesn't make sense.

Blanco100 · 21-05-2018 06:26PM

theballz wrote: »

There is an audio note going around (might be fake) by one of his family members.

I don’t want to add to further speculation but it is fairly gripping.

Huh?

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 06:27PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

I never targeted any Gardai.

The punch was definitely reported in the press.

Not you but the whole central theme today has been about smearing the Garda w/o any facts of what occurred in the car park.

And, as you have just said, you are not clear the details of what the witness actually seen.. ........ bar the gung ho gamble on a headline press

ginandtonicsky · 21-05-2018 06:28PM

It's easy to say what you'd do if you saw what happened. The reality is that most people go about their business and bystander effect takes hold and they do nothing in these situations. I see it pretty often on the Luas. Someone being harassed or verbally assaulted or some scumbag crossing the line and people sit there and look out the window.

We'd all love to think we'd be the hero, but in reality we'd probably question what we saw, assume it was a domestic, a misinterpretation on our side, think, "weird", and go about our day.

Hope they go to town on this fcuker's past and reveal every sordid and evil thing he did right up to killing this poor innocent woman, because there's no way he didn't have form for being a creep and a pervert, not a chance in hell.

Sunflower 27 · 21-05-2018 06:28PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

It doesn't matter as I can't say. We will go by whats reported and that one driver saw her in the front passenger seat in distress as it doesn'ta ffect my argument.

He knew she was in enough danger to call the guards but didn't bother to stay on the phone to them and follow them giving the guards updates on their location. A life could have been saved.

You make it sound like her death is somehow the person's fault that called in what they saw. I think that's incredibly unfair. Is it known if it was a man or woman? Maybe there were children in the car.

Suckit · 21-05-2018 06:29PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I meant in the car itself rather than the boot. I just don't see why he would move her. It doesn't make sense.

I don't get you.
The car was a Nissan Qashqai. It is a hatchback. She could have climbed over the seats if she really wanted to, if she was in the boot.

STB. · 21-05-2018 06:29PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

And where was their source................. if you have followed the media over the last few days the grossly wrong level of information is embarrassing. I mean the IT had a large article up stating she was found in the car last night in critical condition.

It just takes one tweet from here say to sett off a butterfly of rumours.

There was CLEAR reporting

"The terrifying events unfolded after Ms Valdez was bundled into the boot of a car in Enniskerry, Co Wicklow, on Saturday.

An eyewitness rang gardaí, and gardaí received a second report about an hour later by another witness who saw a woman in a distressed state in the back of a vehicle."

Reported widely accross the media. Infact there are other reports that go into more detail on both calls (that are known) made.

Whatever about the shooting, questions are already being asked which has caused unnecessary speculation about what happened between the first report on the side of the road to the second report on the N11 and in general what action was taken on foot of those two phone calls alone.

GSOC will no doubt thoroughly investigate this as there are many questions about what happened between 5pm and 11pm on Saturday.

Cypher_sounds · 21-05-2018 06:31PM

That cop that blew the brains out the back of this scumbags skull should be allowed retire and bask in his great work for the rest of his life.

wdmfapq4zs83hv · 21-05-2018 06:33PM

theballz wrote: »

There is an audio note going around (might be fake) by one of his family members.

I don’t want to add to further speculation but it is fairly gripping.

Em can you expand on that...?

Captain Obvious · 21-05-2018 06:33PM

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

That cop that blew the brains out the back of this scumbags skull should be allowed retire and bask in his great work for the rest of his life.

In reality he will probably need counselling and have his wages cut off after a few weeks of absence.

Conor1974 · 21-05-2018 06:33PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

How do you know it was a he ? It could have been a young woman with babies in the car .

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/i-think-ive-seen-something-terrible-what-eyewitness-said-after-spotting-suspected-abduction-36928400.html

P_1 · 21-05-2018 06:34PM

Awful news. I'd cycle those lanes solo quite regularly so this hits quite close. We'll likely never know what happened here completely.

RIP Jastine. My thoughts are with her family, the Hennessy family and the Garda involved.

munster87 · 21-05-2018 06:36PM

Conor1974 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/i-think-ive-seen-something-terrible-what-eyewitness-said-after-spotting-suspected-abduction-36928400.html

Wonder did Hennessy drive a JCB

Homer · 21-05-2018 06:37PM

theballz wrote: »

There is an audio note going around (might be fake) by one of his family members.

I don’t want to add to further speculation but it is fairly gripping.

There are also photos and videos doing the rounds of the deceased male suspect collecting the infamous Nissan from a certain dealership in Bray!

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 06:39PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Not you but the whole central theme today has been about smearing the Garda w/o any facts of what occurred in the car park.

And, as you have just said, you are not clear the details of what the witness actually seen.. ........ bar the gung ho gamble on a headline press

To the first part; dont lump me in with them so

To the second part; I never said that.

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 06:39PM

STB. wrote: »

There was CLEAR reporting

"The terrifying events unfolded after Ms Valdez was bundled into the boot of a car in Enniskerry, Co Wicklow, on Saturday.

An eyewitness rang gardaí, and gardaí received a second report about an hour later by another witness who saw a woman in a distressed state in the back of a vehicle."

Reported widely accross the media. Infact there are other reports that go into more detail on both calls (that are known) made.

Whatever about the shooting, questions are already being asked which has caused unnecessary speculation about what happened between the first report on the side of the road to the second report on the N11 and in general what action was taken on foot of those two phone calls alone.

GSOC will no doubt thoroughly investigate this as there are many questions about what happened between 5pm and 11pm on Saturday.

Keep up. You aren't even following the "facts" the poster was stating and the questions I was posing in response.

theballz · 21-05-2018 06:39PM

Warren Hundreds Uncle wrote: »

Em can you expand on that...?

I’d rather not out of respect for all involved.

I’ve had about 5 people PM me asking the same.

Conor1974 · 21-05-2018 06:40PM

munster87 wrote: »

Wonder did Hennessy drive a JCB

Doubtful he was a window installer

Suckit · 21-05-2018 06:42PM

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/watch-footage-man-shot-dead-12573705

cml387 · 21-05-2018 06:44PM

I can't help thinking of Deirdre Jacob. She disappeared in broad daylight and was never seen again. Probably similarly bundled into a car and murdered.

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 06:44PM

ginandtonicsky wrote: »

It's easy to say what you'd do if you saw what happened. The reality is that most people go about their business and bystander effect takes hold and they do nothing in these situations. I see it pretty often on the Luas. Someone being harassed or verbally assaulted or some scumbag crossing the line and people sit there and look out the window.

That is different as intervening in that scenario means putting themslves in harms way (although if some male scumbag was threatening a female passenger I would definitely intervene) We are asking the person to follow the car and stay on the phone to the guards when a woman is clearly in distress.

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-05-2018 06:44PM

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suicide_circus · 21-05-2018 06:44PM

god help her parents

Suckit · 21-05-2018 06:45PM

Patww79 wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

No idea. I presume it is the video many are talking about that they saw on whatsapp.

Mrsmum · 21-05-2018 06:45PM

He seems to have hidden her well in thick undergrowth according to RTE news. I wonder had he sussed out the place beforehand or was he just very familiar with the area anyway.

munster87 · 21-05-2018 06:46PM

Patww79 wrote: »

When's that supposed to be? I don't see any day mentioned in the article so it could be a month ago or a three years ago.

Strange that someone was just recording him like that, were they expecting him to act strangely or something, even if it wasn’t recent

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 06:46PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

You make it sound like her death is somehow the person's fault that called in what they saw. I think that's incredibly unfair. Is it known if it was a man or woman? Maybe there were children in the car.

It was a man in the car not that it matters. I am not asking the driver to pull out in front of the car and intervene for **** sake. I am asking the driver to follow the car and give the guards updates on its location until they arrived. Its hardly askign someone to be heroic.

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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