Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 05:08PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

There are so many ifs, buts and hindsight. Whilst I hate this element of assessing the case such as the Garda bashing etc and some of the posters on here are shocking with diversion of blame, I do empathise with your emotions on this one. But it is a pointless exercise right now.
And I definitely don't blame the party for not following them.

But i WISH they had.

How is this even hindsight? They should have followed the car and known it at the time. You are in your car driving down the N11 and there is a woman screaming for help. You have the guards on the phone. Why the hell wouldn't you blame them for not following the car? Realistically by following the car they are not in any danger. They are in their car, if he saw them following and pulled over then you can simply drive on.

retro:electro · 21-05-2018 05:08PM

I can’t stop thinking about her being in distress in the car. The poor girl, it’s so upsetting.
As for the scum who did it to her. A bullet is the least he deserved.

Suckit · 21-05-2018 05:08PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Where did you hear that? The public weren't exposed to that level of information.

It was in a few papers that a woman was seen in an SUV in a distressed state.

iamwhoiam · 21-05-2018 05:09PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

Abso-****ing-loutely.

I mean is this even up for debate? She was banging on the rear window screaming. I would follow the car while staying on the phone without even a second of thought. Why the hell wouldnt you? Someone's life is in danger

Was she ? The report was she was seen on the front passenger seat and in distress . And where are you getting tge " many cars saw her " ?

iamwhoiam · 21-05-2018 05:11PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

How is this even hindsight? They should have followed the car and known it at the time. You are in your car driving down the N11 and there is a woman screaming for help. You have the guards on the phone. Why the hell wouldn't you blame them for not following the car? Realistically by following the car they are not in any danger. They are in their car, if he saw them following and pulled over then you can simply drive on.

The Hindsight Hero ! Do you want a round of applause ?

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 05:12PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Was she ? The report was she was seen on the front passenger seat and in distress . And where are you getting tge " many cars saw her " ?

It doesn't matter as I can't say. We will go by whats reported and that one driver saw her in the front passenger seat in distress as it doesn'ta ffect my argument.

He knew she was in enough danger to call the guards but didn't bother to stay on the phone to them and follow them giving the guards updates on their location. A life could have been saved.

theballz · 21-05-2018 05:12PM

There is an audio note going around (might be fake) by one of his family members.

I don’t want to add to further speculation but it is fairly gripping.

Purple Mountain · 21-05-2018 05:14PM

I always thought it would be hard for a lone individual to get someone into a car against their will. I thought there would need to be two people?
Is there a chance he had an accomplice?

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 05:14PM

Suckit wrote: »

It was in a few papers.

And where was their source................. if you have followed the media over the last few days the grossly wrong level of information is embarrassing. I mean the IT had a large article up stating she was found in the car last night in critical condition.

It just takes one tweet from here say to sett off a butterfly of rumours.

I mean, even here, earlier, a poster "confirmed" that her body was found according to their journalist friend - 4 hours before it was found, and immediately, w/o any source (apart from this), people concluded this was correct.

It may be true but no Garda media release of info (who would be the ones privy to the report of the incident) stated this

Wheety · 21-05-2018 05:14PM

Just been sent a video of him drinking and having the craic. Supposedly from Saturday night. Obviously I can't confirm that.

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 05:14PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The Hindsight Hero ! Do you want a round of applause ?

I can't understand this hindsight nonsense. This is something that should have been known right away. The girl was in danger this was obvious to the driver so much that he felt the need to call the guards but didn't think it would be a good idea to follow the car so the guards knew where it was going?

iamwhoiam · 21-05-2018 05:15PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

It doesn't matter as I can't say. We will go by whats reported and that one driver saw her in the front passenger seat in distress as it doesn'ta ffect my argument.

He knew she was in enough danger to call the guards but didn't bother to stay on the phone to them and follow them giving the guards updates on their location. A life could have been saved.

How do you know it was a he ? It could have been a young woman with babies in the car .

eviltwin · 21-05-2018 05:15PM

Suckit wrote: »

It was in a few papers that a woman was seen in an SUV in a distressed state.

The witnesses said she was forced into the boot. Why would he move her? If she was in the front how could he control her?

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 05:16PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I always thought it would be hard for a lone individual to get someone into a car against their will. I thought there would need to be two people?
Is there a chance he had an accomplice?

According to the witness he gave her a punch. A fully grown man punching a petite woman who I assume has had no exposure to violence her whole life would be enough to get people to do something against their will.

Wheety · 21-05-2018 05:17PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I always thought it would be hard for a lone individual to get someone into a car against their will. I thought there would need to be two people?
Is there a chance he had an accomplice?

She was petite. 5 foot according to her description. Wouldn't take 2 people imo.

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 05:19PM

Wheety wrote: »

Just been sent a video of him drinking and having the craic. Supposedly from Saturday night. Obviously I can't confirm that.

No way would anyone not report seeing him over the weekend. I find this hard to believe.
AFAIK his movements weren't known since he took the car Sat afternoon.

Purple Mountain · 21-05-2018 05:20PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

According to the witness he gave her a punch. A fully grown man punching a petite woman who I assume has had no exposure to violence her whole life would be enough to get people to do something against their will.

OK thanks.
I hadn't heard that and I hope I wasn't being offensive. I was just genuinely stumped by the level of braziness but I guess the element of surprise is what worked in his favour.

soiseztomabel · 21-05-2018 05:20PM

*When something violent happens....

"The animal should have been put down, cops are a joke in this country, cant even use force"

*When Cops actually do something...

"Ah here lads this is disgraceful, cops are some joke in this country"

Suckit · 21-05-2018 05:21PM

eviltwin wrote: »

The witnesses said she was forced into the boot. Why would he move her? If she was in the front how could he control her?

I never said she was in the front. I just said it was reported in a few papers that a Woman was seen in an SUV in a distressed state.

Someone on Twitter mentioned that it was his childs firt holy communion yesterday.
Do they have them on a Sunday?
https://twitter.com/Ccurley0Carol/status/998592988874969088

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 05:21PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

According to the witness he gave her a punch. A fully grown man punching a petite woman who I assume has had no exposure to violence her whole life would be enough to get people to do something against their will.

where is all this info coming from? At least put a source up.

First targeting Bray Gardai, then the Garda who shot him, now targeting the witness.

Sundew · 21-05-2018 05:23PM

Suckit wrote: »

I never said she was in the front. I just said it was reported in a few papers that a Woman was seen in an SUV in a distressed state.

Someone on Twitter mentioned that it was his childs firt holy communion yesterday.
Do they have them on a Sunday?
https://twitter.com/Ccurley0Carol/status/998592988874969088

In most rural churches they are on a Sunday!

ProudIRISHman · 21-05-2018 05:24PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

where is all this info coming from? At least put a source up.

First targeting Bray Gardai, then the Garda who shot him, now targeting the witness.

I never targeted any Gardai.

The punch was definitely reported in the press.

eviltwin · 21-05-2018 05:25PM

Suckit wrote: »

I never said she was in the front. I just said it was reported in a few papers that a Woman was seen in an SUV in a distressed state.

Someone on Twitter mentioned that it was his childs firt holy communion yesterday.
Do they have them on a Sunday?
https://twitter.com/Ccurley0Carol/status/998592988874969088

I meant in the car itself rather than the boot. I just don't see why he would move her. It doesn't make sense.

Blanco100 · 21-05-2018 05:26PM

theballz wrote: »

There is an audio note going around (might be fake) by one of his family members.

I don’t want to add to further speculation but it is fairly gripping.

Huh?

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 05:27PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

I never targeted any Gardai.

The punch was definitely reported in the press.

Not you but the whole central theme today has been about smearing the Garda w/o any facts of what occurred in the car park.

And, as you have just said, you are not clear the details of what the witness actually seen.. ........ bar the gung ho gamble on a headline press

ginandtonicsky · 21-05-2018 05:28PM

It's easy to say what you'd do if you saw what happened. The reality is that most people go about their business and bystander effect takes hold and they do nothing in these situations. I see it pretty often on the Luas. Someone being harassed or verbally assaulted or some scumbag crossing the line and people sit there and look out the window.

We'd all love to think we'd be the hero, but in reality we'd probably question what we saw, assume it was a domestic, a misinterpretation on our side, think, "weird", and go about our day.

Hope they go to town on this fcuker's past and reveal every sordid and evil thing he did right up to killing this poor innocent woman, because there's no way he didn't have form for being a creep and a pervert, not a chance in hell.

Sunflower 27 · 21-05-2018 05:28PM

ProudIRISHman wrote: »

It doesn't matter as I can't say. We will go by whats reported and that one driver saw her in the front passenger seat in distress as it doesn'ta ffect my argument.

He knew she was in enough danger to call the guards but didn't bother to stay on the phone to them and follow them giving the guards updates on their location. A life could have been saved.

You make it sound like her death is somehow the person's fault that called in what they saw. I think that's incredibly unfair. Is it known if it was a man or woman? Maybe there were children in the car.

Suckit · 21-05-2018 05:29PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I meant in the car itself rather than the boot. I just don't see why he would move her. It doesn't make sense.

I don't get you.
The car was a Nissan Qashqai. It is a hatchback. She could have climbed over the seats if she really wanted to, if she was in the boot.

STB. · 21-05-2018 05:29PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

And where was their source................. if you have followed the media over the last few days the grossly wrong level of information is embarrassing. I mean the IT had a large article up stating she was found in the car last night in critical condition.

It just takes one tweet from here say to sett off a butterfly of rumours.

There was CLEAR reporting

"The terrifying events unfolded after Ms Valdez was bundled into the boot of a car in Enniskerry, Co Wicklow, on Saturday.

An eyewitness rang gardaí, and gardaí received a second report about an hour later by another witness who saw a woman in a distressed state in the back of a vehicle."

Reported widely accross the media. Infact there are other reports that go into more detail on both calls (that are known) made.

Whatever about the shooting, questions are already being asked which has caused unnecessary speculation about what happened between the first report on the side of the road to the second report on the N11 and in general what action was taken on foot of those two phone calls alone.

GSOC will no doubt thoroughly investigate this as there are many questions about what happened between 5pm and 11pm on Saturday.

Cypher_sounds · 21-05-2018 05:31PM

That cop that blew the brains out the back of this scumbags skull should be allowed retire and bask in his great work for the rest of his life.

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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