Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

piuswal · 20-05-2018 1:48am

Charlie69 wrote: »

My Dad has the number 14 jersey that Billy Dwyer wore in that 57 final.

That's great.

I seem to remember that he played with Na Faughs here in Dublin. Do not think to many KK played outside the county but not sure, its a while ago.

oconnol1 · 20-05-2018 10:46am

Is the game today being streamed online anywhere.

tbiggertycome · 20-05-2018 12:10pm

The Kilkenny match is not being broadcast neither is the Wexford Dublin game. It's all Munster today

greenspurs · 20-05-2018 12:44pm

Are tickets on sale at Nowlan pk today ?

dubcat51 · 20-05-2018 2:35pm

Crazy stuff alright playing sweeper at minor(maybe dictated by senior management as they play with a sweeper)as for ourselves today a win no injuries and liok forward to galway would be ideal.

JJs Left Hand · 20-05-2018 5:15pm

Bit of a nothing game that. Never a danger of losing it and plenty of eyes on next week. Full forward line played well and nice to see Blanchfield play well again although he really should've had 4 goals.

Other than that I'd read nothing into the game.

blackcard · 20-05-2018 5:30pm

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Bit of a nothing game that. Never a danger of losing it and plenty of eyes on next week. Full forward line played well and nice to see Blanchfield play well again although he really should've had 4 goals.

Other than that I'd read nothing into the game.

Kilkenny were dreadful in the second half, no urgency. Should have won by 20 points. The only lads that could be satisfied with their performance were Padraig Walsh, Paul Murphy, Conor Delaney and Luke Scanlon. Could come back to haunt Kilkenny if score difference comes into play. Not that it made much difference but the ref was very poor.

savannahkat · 20-05-2018 5:33pm

Adrian Ronan gave man of the match to Liam Blanchfield

Realt Dearg Sec · 20-05-2018 5:35pm

savannahkat wrote: »

Adrian Ronan gave man of the match to Liam Blanchfield

Yeah, from what he was saying his work rate got him the award.

There again half the time Ronan doesn't seem to have a clue who is in the ball or doing things, so you would never know

JJs Left Hand · 20-05-2018 6:01pm

blackcard wrote: »

Kilkenny were dreadful in the second half, no urgency. Should have won by 20 points. The only lads that could be satisfied with their performance were Padraig Walsh, Paul Murphy, Conor Delaney and Luke Scanlon. Could come back to haunt Kilkenny if score difference comes into play. Not that it made much difference but the ref was very poor.

Opened up a 9 point lead early in the 2nd half. Empty the bench and eased off with an eye on next week. Got caught for a goal because of a super handpass by Dooley. Lead down to 3 for a couple of minutes and then opened it back up to 9. Tough game last week and a massive game next week. Today was about getting through without doing any damage.

davidx40 · 20-05-2018 6:25pm

Desperate game , hard to take much from it other than this full backline will be destroyed in croke park

dubcat51 · 20-05-2018 6:37pm

davidx40 wrote: »

Desperate game , hard to take much from it other than this full backline will be destroyed in croke park

maybe or maybe not.since opening 2 league defeats we have won every game.offaly x2 wex x2 tipp x2 and waterford dublin.8 games won in a row .think we need to give everyone credit and I believe we will get stronger.really looking forward to next week.

blackcard · 20-05-2018 6:54pm

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Opened up a 9 point lead early in the 2nd half. Empty the bench and eased off with an eye on next week. Got caught for a goal because of a super handpass by Dooley. Lead down to 3 for a couple of minutes and then opened it back up to 9. Tough game last week and a massive game next week. Today was about getting through without doing any damage.

If Wexford, Kilkenny and Galway win their home matches and Wexford beat Offaly, you would have three teams with three wins. Kilkenny could lose a Leinster Final place on goal difference.

brookville · 20-05-2018 7:28pm

blackcard wrote: »

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Opened up a 9 point lead early in the 2nd half. Empty the bench and eased off with an eye on next week. Got caught for a goal because of a super handpass by Dooley. Lead down to 3 for a couple of minutes and then opened it back up to 9. Tough game last week and a massive game next week. Today was about getting through without doing any damage.

If Wexford, Kilkenny and Galway win their home matches and Wexford beat Offaly, you would have three teams with three wins. Kilkenny could lose a Leinster Final place on goal difference.

Is head to head difference then scoring difference?im not sure to be honest.
Just on the match today we drove something like 21 wides and missed a few really good goal chances.If we had converted half the chances we created things would obviously be different.we were very comfortable only for a few mins in the 2nd half when we thought we had it won.
Hopefully wally and maher will be back next week we might see richie but we seen today with some of the tipp lads who were out its very hard turn it on like a light.
Today was all bout the result its done now and we turn to galway and when this draw was made this was always going to be the big one.We've a week off after the galway so im hoping we'll get a big performance.
Positives from today were these young lads are improving Scanlon,delaney,donnelly and blanchfield is finding a bit of form.Ger aylward will hopefully get a few scores to kick start his summer he looks to be trying too hard and things arent coming off.

KevIRL · 20-05-2018 7:37pm

brookville wrote: »

Is head to head difference then scoring difference?im not sure to be honest.

Head to Head only applies if two teams are level. In the scenario above with 3 teams level on points then it goes to scoring difference

blackcard · 20-05-2018 7:52pm

brookville wrote: »

Is head to head difference then scoring difference?im not sure to be honest.
Just on the match today we drove something like 21 wides and missed a few really good goal chances.If we had converted half the chances we created things would obviously be different.we were very comfortable only for a few mins in the 2nd half when we thought we had it won.
Hopefully wally and maher will be back next week we might see richie but we seen today with some of the tipp lads who were out its very hard turn it on like a light.
Today was all bout the result its done now and we turn to galway and when this draw was made this was always going to be the big one.We've a week off after the galway so im hoping we'll get a big performance.
Positives from today were these young lads are improving Scanlon,delaney,donnelly and blanchfield is finding a bit of form.Ger aylward will hopefully get a few scores to kick start his summer he looks to be trying too hard and things arent coming off.

Head to head if two teams are level on points, points difference if more than two teams so there is a very strong chance that it will come into play.
Ger Aylward hasn't played much over the last two years and lack of matches is affecting him. Joey Holden had a very good league but seems to be struggling with confidence at the moment. He should be told to hit the ball long and not to hold onto the ball. If Enda Morrissey comes back next week, Joey might not make the team. Blanchfield got 1-2 today, got fouled for another couple but could have got another three goals. Richie Leahy is another whose end product could have been better. I think I would go for Keoghan, TJ, Donnelly, Blanchfield, Wally and Scanlon to start in the forwards the next day

Comerman · 20-05-2018 8:10pm

I like Joey but he seems to panic on the ball, maybe he's aware of all the criticism. Conor Browne came on an looked very comfortable on the ball compared to joey. Blanch had a great game and put in a fair shift. Conor Delaney a quiet chap but doing exactly what's needed, himself Buckley and Padraig would make some half back line

JJs Left Hand · 20-05-2018 8:33pm

Hardly fair to compare Conor Browne playing midfield and Joey playing corner back. You drop a ball in the middle nobody bats an eyelid but Joey drops it and the entire crowd has a **** attack.

We can't have it both ways as supporters. We either lash it long and fall into the habits of the last few years of playing aimless ball or we trust our hurlers like Joey to build the play through the lines before delivering the ball around a sweeper. Personally the former is proven as not working so I'll take my chances with the latter aware of the fact that mistakes will be made along the way.

We took a few games to get going in the league and after the break the same is happening now.

Kkman00 · 20-05-2018 9:10pm

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Hardly fair to compare Conor Browne playing midfield and Joey playing corner back. You drop a ball in the middle nobody bats an eyelid but Joey drops it and the entire crowd has a **** attack.

We can't have it both ways as supporters. We either lash it long and fall into the habits of the last few years of playing aimless ball or we trust our hurlers like Joey to build the play through the lines before delivering the ball around a sweeper. Personally the former is proven as not working so I'll take my chances with the latter aware of the fact that mistakes will be made along the way.

We took a few games to get going in the league and after the break the same is happening now.

Agree to a certain extent but everytime joey has the ball you feel like he will fumble it or drop it or else his touch will let him down. With our new style of play we need backs who are comfortable in possession and joey is not would like to see Enda morrissey corner back he is calm with the ball and is a tight marker

Comerman · 20-05-2018 9:13pm

I only compared Browne because he started normally at half back and maybe push Murphy back to corner back. But I do take your point and as I said I like Joey but he seems to be a bit nervous at times for some reason

Village87 · 21-05-2018 8:35am

Missed the match yesterday.

Anyone give an accurate report on who played well ?

How did the midfielders do ?

John Donnelly looked good on the Sunday Game.

How did Deegan & Holden do ?

Richie Leahy ?

Did Buckley improve from last week?

Bonniedog · 21-05-2018 9:06am

piuswal wrote: »

That's great.

I seem to remember that he played with Na Faughs here in Dublin. Do not think to many KK played outside the county but not sure, its a while ago.

He did. On same team as Niall Quinn's father Billy for a while although he stopped hurling inter county in early 60s.

There was a team called Moondarrig in Dublin who were mostly Kilkenny men. My uncle who played for Bennetsbridge hurled for them when he worked in Dublin.

Justice for the individual · 21-05-2018 10:05am

Bonniedog wrote: »

He did. On same team as Niall Quinn's father Billy for a while although he stopped hurling inter county in early 60s.

There was a team called Moondarrig in Dublin who were mostly Kilkenny men. My uncle who played for Bennetsbridge hurled for them when he worked in Dublin.

Billy was one of the toughest full forwards who ever played. He looked a little bit tubby but he gave Michael Maher (one of the hell's kitchen tipp full backs) more than he could handle.

That was a time when Tipp's dominance was underpinned by ruthlessness (we could say dirty) and that kept them at the top until Kilkenny decided they had had enough. In those days, goalkeepers were easy meat and could be buried in the back of the net unless protected by mainly the full back. At that time you had the "Link" Walshe, Pa Dillon, Mick Maher and Nick O'Donnell, no shrinking violets. Pa Dillon played in front of Noel Skehan, and with Pa there, no one was going to touch Noel, and that probably explains why Noel lasted so long and gained 9 All-Ireland medals.

Saying all that, I would rate Noel as one of the top goalkeepers of all time, knew the game well, and consistently played well, with very few off days. Ollie was brilliant too, but prone to make mistakes in over egging his confidence and dropping the ball.

Bonniedog · 21-05-2018 10:35am

Doesn't Cody come from the history of not letting Tipp bully them.

Dublin should have beaten Tipp in 1961 except Lar lost the plot and got sent off for taking out the wrong Tipperary thug, And that was when you'd nearly have to kill your mother to get sent off!

citykat · 21-05-2018 11:39am

Village87 wrote: »

Missed the match yesterday.

Anyone give an accurate report on who played well ?

How did the midfielders do ?

John Donnelly looked good on the Sunday Game.

How did Deegan & Holden do ?

Richie Leahy ?

Did Buckley improve from last week?

Murphy solid enough. Great point.

FB line shaky at times again. A better team wouldve made hay.

Delaney outstanding IMO. Looked comfortable on the ball all day. Buckley and Murphy solid.

Lester good first half but seemed to tire early. Maybe lacks game time from the league. Fogarty very quiet. Didnt look 100% to me.

Leahy played well but overcarried at times. Good game from him. Mossy better game this week. More involved with some good runs and scores. TJ quieter than normal but still one of our best.

Donnelly played well. Good work rate. Some good scores and link up play. Blanchfield couldve written his name in lights yesterday. Missed three sitters for goals. Best game for a while though. Scanlon good game. Got some good scores and linked up well.

Fennelly good direct running and some good scores. Surely start next day.

Browne looked lively when he came on.

brookville · 21-05-2018 12:45pm

It was a case of getting the match out of the way and look we've 2 wins from 2 without reaching any highs.I think we're guaranteed a quarter final spot now.The next two matches will decide if its a leinster final or not.One win from 2 might do us but wexford have galway a week before us so that could be a factor.
I think if we give a good battling performance next sunday we'll be happy enough.
Hopefully wally and maher are back for the weekend and morrissey who was sick returns.Itll be a big test but the lads will be up for this.

Hawkeye6 · 21-05-2018 12:50pm

We’ve seen all but one team (Waterford) in action in the provincial championships at this stage. Have we anyone to really fear based on the evidence to date? I think not. We beat Dublin by 2 points, so did Wexford, but Pat Gilroy is quoted as saying Dublin never got to the intensity of the previous week. Galway beat Offaly by 12 points and scored five goals. We beat Offaly by 9 points and should easily have scored 5 goals or more and finished with 21 wides. Yes scores on the board are the ones that matter, but we’re not too far behind Galway. Galway conceded 2-15, we conceded 1-13 to Offaly. Galway are not too far behind us in the defensive duties either. You’d expect the reigning All-Ireland champions to be still slightly ahead of a young transitional team, especially playing in their own patch, (all four results yesterday were home wins), and the stats are slightly in their favour, but a week might tell a story. It will be interesting to see if the week off helps or hinders them. The important thing is to continue developing and being competitive.

In Munster, the two teams that beat us in the League Cork and Clare went head to head. Of the two in the league, Cork was the one that probably got away and yet they were the deserved winners against Clare. Tipperary look in bother. Limerick still have ammunition with the Na Piarsaigh lads to return, but that could be a double-edged sword. All in all we are in with a very good shout and we are in bonus territory in 2018. However, we have a lot of impatient supporters to please. One poster has already referred to it. The giving out about lumping the ball down on the forwards aimlessly last year. Now we are playing a different type of game, more high risk for defenders and lads are still complaining. Yes, Joey made two mistakes yesterday, but he wasn’t the only one. Some supporters might have been gone to the toilet when the others erred. We have now won 8 competitive games in a row plus one national trophy. Not bad for a young developing team with a developing game plan. The constant has been the full back line and yet the constant complaints have been about the full back line.

Personally, my main wish for the Leinster Championship is that Offaly beat Dublin and Dublin are relegated. Not that I bear any malice towards Dublin, but I think it might be the factor (because of the money element) that will make HQ rethink the stupid and unfair relegation system in the Leinster championship. I don’t believe if Offaly are relegated it will set alarm bells running with the suits.

dastardly00 · 21-05-2018 12:52pm

brookville wrote: »

It was a case of getting the match out of the way and look we've 2 wins from 2 without reaching any highs.I think we're guaranteed a quarter final spot now.The next two matches will decide if its a leinster final or not.One win from 2 might do us but wexford have galway a week before us so that could be a factor.
I think if we give a good battling performance next sunday we'll be happy enough.
Hopefully wally and maher are back for the weekend and morrissey who was sick returns.Itll be a big test but the lads will be up for this.

I think you're correct that the worst place we can finish now is 3rd.

That'll put us through to the preliminary quarter final round though (against either the winner/loser of Joe McDonagh Cup)

brookville · 21-05-2018 4:15pm

Whats the story with tickets sunday is the stand sold out?

babyjesus14 · 21-05-2018 4:20pm

brookville wrote: »

Whats the story with tickets sunday is the stand sold out?

Yep, nearly a week ago. Be better off on the terrace. Forecast good and that stand in Pearse Stadium has it's own microclimate, nearly died of exposure in it a few years back!:D

usualstripes · 21-05-2018 6:16pm

citykat wrote: »

Murphy solid enough. Great point.

FB line shaky at times again. A better team wouldve made hay.

Delaney outstanding IMO. Looked comfortable on the ball all day. Buckley and Murphy solid.

Lester good first half but seemed to tire early. Maybe lacks game time from the league. Fogarty very quiet. Didnt look 100% to me.

Leahy played well but overcarried at times. Good game from him. Mossy better game this week. More involved with some good runs and scores. TJ quieter than normal but still one of our best.

Donnelly played well. Good work rate. Some good scores and link up play. Blanchfield couldve written his name in lights yesterday. Missed three sitters for goals. Best game for a while though. Scanlon good game. Got some good scores and linked up well.

Fennelly good direct running and some good scores. Surely start next day.

Browne looked lively when he came on.

Agree with most of that but you can't say that Buckley was solid. He was ok but this is the 2nd game running when his distribution let him down at times. Hopefully this will all come right.
I have great time for Lester and always gives 100% but he was a long way off yesterday. His positioning for our puckouts was off as he was between out half back line and midfield as opposed to being up where his man was which on most occasions happened to be where the ball landed. He was probably a little rusty considering the lack of game time he has had.

Pat Treacy · 21-05-2018 6:35pm

Looking at Buckley yesterday you would be very worried about next Sunday he was getting into silly arguments with the ref his distribution of the ball was not great, C Delany was like a player was on song his distribution was brilliant.

blackcard · 21-05-2018 7:11pm

brookville wrote: »

It was a case of getting the match out of the way and look we've 2 wins from 2 without reaching any highs.I think we're guaranteed a quarter final spot now.The next two matches will decide if its a leinster final or not.One win from 2 might do us but wexford have galway a week before us so that could be a factor.
I think if we give a good battling performance next sunday we'll be happy enough.
Hopefully wally and maher are back for the weekend and morrissey who was sick returns.Itll be a big test but the lads will be up for this.

There are two scenarios where we can miss out on progressing further. There are 10 games in the round robin series giving a total of 20 points. In scenario 1, Galway win their four games giving them 8 points, Offaly beat Wexford and Dublin, also Wexford beat Kk. You then have three teams on 4 points with points difference coming into play. However Offaly currently have a negative points difference of ~ 20 to Kilkenny's +10 so it would take a big turnaround.
The second scenario is where Wexford win their four games giving them 8 points, Dublin beat Offaly and Galway, also Galway beat Kk. You then have Galway Dublin and Kilkenny on 4 points with points difference coming into play again. If this occurs, points difference could mean KK progressing no further.

suirway · 21-05-2018 9:06pm

usualstripes wrote: »

Agree with most of that but you can't say that Buckley was solid. He was ok but this is the 2nd game running when his distribution let him down at times. Hopefully this will all come right.
I have great time for Lester and always gives 100% but he was a long way off yesterday. His positioning for our puckouts was off as he was between out half back line and midfield as opposed to being up where his man was which on most occasions happened to be where the ball landed. He was probably a little rusty considering the lack of game time he has had.

If Lester or any midfielder for that matter just follow their man on long puck outs then invariably they will end up positioning themselves on top of the half forwards as most midfielders now sit back on opposition puck outs. This would only lead to less chance of our half forwards winning the puck out so hardly ideal. Difficult to find the balance between being in for the break and not crowding your own half forward line..

usualstripes · 21-05-2018 9:53pm

suirway wrote: »

If Lester or any midfielder for that matter just follow their man on long puck outs then invariably they will end up positioning themselves on top of the half forwards as most midfielders now sit back on opposition puck outs. This would only lead to less chance of our half forwards winning the puck out so hardly ideal. Difficult to find the balance between being in for the break and not crowding your own half forward line..

You are right to a certain extent but if your marker gets on possession on these puckouts then you have to try something else. If you watched these puckouts you will understand what I am talking about.

dastardly00 · 22-05-2018 10:06am

blackcard wrote: »

There are two scenarios where we can miss out on progressing further. There are 10 games in the round robin series giving a total of 20 points. In scenario 1, Galway win their four games giving them 8 points, Offaly beat Wexford and Dublin, also Wexford beat Kk. You then have three teams on 4 points with points difference coming into play. However Offaly currently have a negative points difference of ~ 20 to Kilkenny's +10 so it would take a big turnaround.
The second scenario is where Wexford win their four games giving them 8 points, Dublin beat Offaly and Galway, also Galway beat Kk. You then have Galway Dublin and Kilkenny on 4 points with points difference coming into play again. If this occurs, points difference could mean KK progressing no further.

Fair play blackcard. I thought I had worked out all the permutations but obviously not!

Hurling Rankings · 22-05-2018 12:50pm

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Bonniedog · 22-05-2018 1:49pm

Interesting that some people want Dublin to be relegated. if we are then it will because we are worst team in the group.

One thing for sure we will not be appealing it. Unlike others who thought it was their god given right to be in division one league.

Village87 · 22-05-2018 1:51pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Interesting that some people want Dublin to be relegated. if we are then it will because we are worst team in the group.

One thing for sure we will not be appealing it. Unlike others who thought it was their god given right to be in division one league.

If the Dubs do go down just shows how competitive it is. Kilkenny win the league, probably should have lost v the Dubs last week

Bonniedog · 22-05-2018 1:59pm

Village87 wrote: »

If the Dubs do go down just shows how competitive it is. Kilkenny win the league, probably should have lost v the Dubs last week

Isn't that point of championship?

Great games so far other than Tipp not turning up. This structure is best they've come up with so far. Every game is a battle.

Village87 · 22-05-2018 2:17pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Isn't that point of championship?

Great games so far other than Tipp not turning up. This structure is best they've come up with so far. Every game is a battle.

Im not sure really, like another league for me so far. Munster lacked usual intensity. Ill reserve judgement until later in the year.

Hurling Rankings · 22-05-2018 2:42pm

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citykat · 22-05-2018 3:45pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Tipp not turning up.

Highlight of the hurling year so far!

Dyr · 22-05-2018 3:53pm

Hurling Rankings wrote: »

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But...but...the munster championship..

danganabu · 22-05-2018 4:01pm

citykat wrote: »

Highlight of the hurling year so far!

Embrace the fear citykat

dastardly00 · 22-05-2018 4:32pm

Hurling Rankings wrote: »

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I think every rational thinking GAA fan knows that this would be the best thing to do.
I would love to see it happen

greenspurs · 22-05-2018 4:40pm

dastardly00 wrote: »

I think every rational thinking GAA fan knows that this would be the best thing to do.
I would love to see it happen

but...but......but...... Munster hurling .................. :rolleyes:

brookville · 22-05-2018 9:02pm

So lads whats our thoughts and feelings towards sunday is there many heading up?i know a good few making a weekend out of it.
I think we'll give a good account of ourselves.I was suprised jason cleere wasnt given a run last sunday as there was talk he was going well.Galway havent done much yet this year but they have 6 very good fowards with size and pace that will cause most teams trouble.If we win sunday people will say we had momentum since the 2nd round of the leauge and if we lose it could be galway were fresher and injuries and fatigue caught up with us but probably better meeting galway now than later in the year either way we'll have a good idea sunday evening where we stand.
Hopefully wallys injury isnt serious and he was holding him back for sunday

BORO BILL · 22-05-2018 10:23pm

brookville wrote: »

So lads whats our thoughts and feelings towards sunday is there many heading up?i know a good few making a weekend out of it.
I think we'll give a good account of ourselves.I was suprised jason cleere wasnt given a run last sunday as there was talk he was going well.Galway havent done much yet this year but they have 6 very good fowards with size and pace that will cause most teams trouble.If we win sunday people will say we had momentum since the 2nd round of the leauge and if we lose it could be galway were fresher and injuries and fatigue caught up with us but probably better meeting galway now than later in the year either way we'll have a good idea sunday evening where we stand.
Hopefully wallys injury isnt serious and he was holding him back for sunday

Heard Wally out for a few weeks with quad injury and Ger Aylward damaged his knee in workout against u21s last night. That narrows down forward options.

citykat · 22-05-2018 10:58pm

danganabu wrote: »

citykat wrote: »

Highlight of the hurling year so far!

Embrace the fear citykat

I believe the bookies in Thurles got cleaned out last weekend ðŸ€£

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