Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

greenspurs

Rochelle wrote: »

Summary: " I'm a county cheerleader who won't hear any criticism"

Great insight....
but not in the slightest bit correct....... :rolleyes:

babyjesus14

Rochelle wrote: »

Babyjesus14 had him on team of the week after the 2016 All Ireland too but was voted down by his fellow selectors.

Just to clear up one point for people who clearly have a problem reading, i didn't pick the GAA.IE team of the week i just reported the fact that Joey Holden was selected on it!

danganabu

savannahkat wrote: »

According to RTE Parnell Park is 12ft shorter and 24 ft narrower than other major hurling stadium.If this is not an advantage to a home team then nothing is as it makes marking & bunching considerably easier thus favouring the more physical and less skilful player. That is a simple fact. With seven debutants and a lot of them very young  Kilkenny did very well to hang in when the going got tough. It was not easy to come back from a pair of body blow goals one a definite result of a charge the other being its first cousin and both at a time when Kilkenny appeared to be gaining a bit of momentum. That allied to Alywards miss in the first half a miss that would have been easier to put in the net I suspect made a big difference to the way the game subsequently played out. Not perfect by any means from Kilkenny but not too bad either taking everything into consideration and scoring 1-25 in the tight confines of Parnell Park was no mean achievement.

Parnell park is 141 x 82 and Croke Park and Nowlan Park are both 145 x 88, where you got the notion that Parnell Park could be 24ft narrower is mind boggling, a pitch 64ft wide would be absolutely tiny. The pitch in Parnell looks smaller as a result of the proximity of the crowd to the field, similar to Cusack Park in Ennis.

danganabu

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I am guessing the keyboard warriors describing Joey Holden as "awful " , "the least skilful hurler" and "the worst to play championship hurling for Kilkenny in years " will be surprised to hear that he is one of three Kilkenny players named on the GAA. ie hurling team of the week along with James Maher and Colin Fennelly!

Its hardly a accurate barometer now to be fair, and I always get the feeling they deliberately add a few controversial selections to these simply to generate debate - for example, now I didnt see the Kerry v Laois game but if the Kerry keeper was better than Eoin Murphy I would be absolutely astounded, only one Dublin defender also seems harsh.

Holden not as bad as some of the hyperbole in the earlier posts but he was hardly team of hte week material, Paul Murphy really showed himself and Deegan up when he came on.

dirkmeister

danganabu wrote: »

Parnell park is 141 x 82 and Croke Park and Nowlan Park are both 145 x 88, where you got the notion that Parnell Park could be 24ft narrower is mind boggling, a pitch 64ft wide would be absolutely tiny. The pitch in Parnell looks smaller as a result of the proximity of the crowd to the field, similar to Cusack Park in Ennis.

Those pitch dimensions are in metres. 6 metres is just under 20 feet and 4 metres works out at approximately 12 feet.

Bonniedog

danganabu wrote: »

Parnell park is 141 x 82 and Croke Park and Nowlan Park are both 145 x 88, where you got the notion that Parnell Park could be 24ft narrower is mind boggling, a pitch 64ft wide would be absolutely tiny. The pitch in Parnell looks smaller as a result of the proximity of the crowd to the field, similar to Cusack Park in Ennis.

The myth of Parnell.


Reason we do better there is that place is mostly full for hurling whereas might as well be playing in the Gobi desert as warm up for football. Hurlers get huge lift from crowd that is only 4/5 feet away from them! If Gilroy and Cunningham ever did one thing right, it was taking us away from being bottom of the bill to the footballers.

danganabu

dirkmeister wrote: »

Those pitch dimensions are in metres. 6 metres is just under 20 feet and 4 metres works out at approximately 12 feet.

My bad! But as stated earlier the difference is not as extreme as it looks on tv.

dirkmeister

danganabu wrote: »

My bad! But as stated earlier the difference is not as extreme as it looks on tv.

You’ll always get that.

It was the same a few years back after KK were due to play a game in Tullamore, pundits said KK’s backs would be suited to the tight pitch.....which is 2 metres wider than Croke Park.

JJs Left Hand

Parnell plays tighter than its actual dimensions due to the surrounding wall. If you're in the backs and delivering a ball up the field the wall will make you play it 5 yards further infield. So while in actuality its not narrow it plays like it is for visiting teams. With familiarity players adjust and can play the ball wider.

babyjesus14

danganabu wrote: »

Its hardly a accurate barometer now to be fair, and I always get the feeling they deliberately add a few controversial selections to these simply to generate debate - for example, now I didnt see the Kerry v Laois game but if the Kerry keeper was better than Eoin Murphy I would be absolutely astounded, only one Dublin defender also seems harsh.

Holden not as bad as some of the hyperbole in the earlier posts but he was hardly team of hte week material, Paul Murphy really showed himself and Deegan up when he came on.

Personally don't agree with the selection myself but I take issue with people hiding behind the anonymity of a discussion forum describing an experienced inter county hurler with two All-Ireland senior medals, a former All Star and All Ireland winning captain being "awful " and "worst "!

danganabu

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Personally don't agree with the selection myself but I take issue with people hiding behind the anonymity of a discussion forum describing an experienced inter county hurler with two All-Ireland senior medals, a former All Star and All Ireland winning captain being "awful " and "worst "!

Fully agree

HoHohurlin

danganabu wrote: »

Fully agree

Joeys confidence was shot after the first ball he fumbled from ryans first mi**** free, he was no where near as bad as some of you are saying, A wins a win and it's good to have 2 points on the board,move on to offaly next week and the challenge they will bring not quite as physical as Dublin but have a bit more cutting edge up front. Also Parnell park is a tight field and it 100% had an effect on how the game played out

HughCassidy

Village87 wrote: »

Deegan has a habit of ducking down low when running out with the ball. Very dangerous play by him. Rushe is entitled to tackle.

Legally he is in titled to tackle.

danganabu

HughCassidy wrote: »

Legally he is in titled to tackle.

Are you suggesting that morally he isnt?

HoHohurlin

Would be harsh to give rushe any sort of card as deegans head was much lower then usual but surely could have been interpreted as dangerous play?

HughCassidy

HoHohurlin wrote: »

Would be harsh to give rushe any sort of card as deegans head was much lower then usual but surely could have been interpreted as dangerous play?

It was his elbow he got him with not his shoulder.

Cornerback1

blackcard wrote: »

One of the biggest differences between yesterday and the league was the huge work rate of Dublin. In the League, our backs had time to play decent ball into the forwards. Yesterday, they were being closed down quickly and ended up lumping high ball a lot of the time. That was the first time that the newcomers on the KK team played a match at championship pace and physicality. I would be hopeful that the likes of Morrissey, Leahy and Keoghan will learn for the experience and the game will stand to Aylward. If we don't improve our distribution into the forwards, we are going to struggle.

A lot of the shots that I saw into the forwards was just poor and there was little pressure on the shooter. I can understand if lads are hanging off men and the clearance is just that, a clearance, not a pass into the forwards. Granted, Dublin did work hard but some of our lads did great work to win a ball, then they let themselves down with a poor strike into the forwards. Cillian did it a few times in the second half.

Bonniedog

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Dublin did work hard but some of our lads did great work to win a ball, then they let themselves down with a poor strike into the forwards. Cillian did it a few times in the second half.

Isn't that the point? Dublin saw what you boys did to Tipp in league final where they cleaned out their forwards. Kilkenny if they have a tactic, and BC would probably swear blind they don't!, is backs dominating possession and having that crucial few seconds to pick someone out. Dublin denied that yesterday, Fair enough, it wasn't Tommy and JJ and Jackie. Our deficit is not having enough scoring forwards.

JJs Left Hand

Nah there was a rake of times yesterday where defenders had loads of time, looked up and still pucked it straight to a spare Dublin defender which we weren't doing in the latter parts of the league. Hopefully it's just the Parnell Park factor

Don't get me wrong, most of the time was due to Dublin pressure but it's the times where there was no pressure that was frustrating.

Bonniedog

There was big difference between yesterday and the Tipp game. In second half in Nowlan your backs won 65/70% of possession in second half and had the time to use the ball. We are no world beaters but if you can restrict other teams where they are strongest it levels the pitch.

Cornerback1

Bonniedog wrote: »

Isn't that the point? Dublin saw what you boys did to Tipp in league final where they cleaned out their forwards. Kilkenny if they have a tactic, and BC would probably swear blind they don't!, is backs dominating possession and having that crucial few seconds to pick someone out. Dublin denied that yesterday, Fair enough, it wasn't Tommy and JJ and Jackie. Our deficit is not having enough scoring forwards.

My point is that KK lads, under no pressure at times, played poor ball into the forwards. Examples of this are 1). hitting it directly to sweeper, instead of down the wings/corners and 2). high balls with snow on them into the forwards. Always going to be a backs' ball. Numerous examples of this during the game.

I was impressed with Dublin. Half back line dominated the skies while Keaney and Rush were physically strong. When Keaney went off, Dublin drifted.

One other point, the Dubs hit a couple of bad frees from very scorable positions. One in first half and one in the second half (iirc). Very poor at that level. Compare this to the accuracy of Murphy and T.J. - unreal accuracy at that level.

Cornerback1

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Nah there was a rake of times yesterday where defenders had loads of time, looked up and still pucked it straight to a spare Dublin defender which we weren't doing in the latter parts of the league. Hopefully it's just the Parnell Park factor

Don't get me wrong, most of the time was due to Dublin pressure but it's the times where there was no pressure that was frustrating.

My point exactly a chara!

Cornerback1

Bonniedog wrote: »

There was big difference between yesterday and the Tipp game. In second half in Nowlan your backs won 65/70% of possession in second half and had the time to use the ball. We are no world beaters but if you can restrict other teams where they are strongest it levels the pitch.

Can you see Dublin playing to that level again in the next 3 matches?

Bonniedog

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Can you see Dublin playing to that level again in the next 3 matches?

Our expectations are modest. will most likely come down to beating Offaly. We live in hope my friend!

blackcard

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Can you see Dublin playing to that level again in the next 3 matches?

Dublin have a break for two weeks after next Sunday so no reason why they can't give it 100%. But it will be interesting to see if teams target particular matches. Do Offaly go all out against Kilkenny on Sunday or do they target their home match against Wexford? Or their match against Dublin the following week? If Kilkenny beat Offaly on Sunday, do they ease off against Galway? Will teams take off some of their star players if they are ahead or do they hammer a team to improve their goal difference?

Bonniedog

Galway and Kilkenny won't be a dead rubber. Only Galway's second game and even assuming they will beat us in last game in series, can't see either seconding out the junior B's

Can't see any game being of no value. Either place in Leinster final or as 3rd place, or avoiding relegation will make every game a battle. Munster will also be all out war, although as Cody said, the bottom team will have comfort of a play off. Dublin or Offaly most like be fighting for survival. Which will make for some game in Parnell.

brookville

James maher rolled his ankle yesterday and will be examined by doctors later.he along with donbelly carried their good league form but He'll probably be disappointed with 3rd goal that just trickled in by him.
hogan tweaked his hamstring during the week probably unlikely to see him this weekend.Will he go back to fogarty,colin and murphy sunday.Itll be intresting to see what changes will be made will he go with morrissey again it was his first poor match.leahy and mossy have the potential it just didnt happen last weekend.
Recovery now is vital for this hectic schedule we got the win yesterday we should be pleased we'll move onto offally now im sure the lads will be anxious to get going early sunday in front of their home crowd.

Dyr

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Can you see Dublin playing to that level again in the next 3 matches?

Consistency has always been a problem for Dublin hurlers, except under Cunningham when you could set your watch to us being ****e every time

brookville

I see the u21s were beaten by cork by 6 points,both teams were obviously weakened.any report who played well?

Hawkeye6

U21 Hurling Challenge at Whitechurch GAA for their facilities opening ended Cork 3-23 Kilkenny 1-24
Wasn't there an awful lot of empty seats in the stand at Parnell Park on Sunday. I presume these were for absent season ticket holders. The GAA might want to review that situation.