Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

seamus · 21-05-2018 12:08PM

No body has been found, just her purse

chicorytip · 21-05-2018 12:08PM

brianblaze wrote:

Because this isn't a movie... you discharge a firearm as a final option and it is classed as using deadly force, to kill. If you have cornered someone with a knife capable of maiming or killing someone shoring them in the leg won't deter them from trying to kill.

brianblaze wrote:

In the movies they shoot their hand etc but that isn't feasible in the real world.

This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 12:08PM

Reati wrote: »

They won't say body found until family informed. Even the journos will hold the line for a little while out of respect.

Didn't stop IT releasing grossly wrong information last night. A lot of journos thrive on clickbait these days, it is more nb than empathy. The desparation to be the first to break the news almost always leads to misleading information

hynesie08 · 21-05-2018 12:09PM

chicorytip wrote: »

This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.

So they should have stabbed him???

iamwhoiam · 21-05-2018 12:09PM

chicorytip wrote: »

This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.

Oh you were there were you . ?

AmberGold · 21-05-2018 12:10PM

Well if that's true the gardai won't get (or deserve) any backlash.

artvanderlay · 21-05-2018 12:10PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

He's coming at you with a knife. Would you offer him a nice cup of tea?

Could they not have shot him in the leg to disable him? She is still missing, and they would have wanted to extract information from him about her whereabouts...I know it all happens very quickly but surely in a situation like this, marksmen should be trained to disable as well as kill. If it was up to me, I'd still shoot the ****er dead but after the girl is found.

Cunning Stunt · 21-05-2018 12:10PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Reati wrote: »

They won't say body found until family informed. Even the journos will hold the line for a little while out of respect.

Didn't stop IT releasing grossly wrong information last night. A lot of journos thrive on clickbait these days, it is more nb than empathy. The desparation to be the first to break the news almost always leads to misleading information

Its actually crazy how much sh*te the IT spewed out over the past 24 hrs. Absolute sloppy journalism!

tayto lover · 21-05-2018 12:11PM

chicorytip wrote: »

This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.

They should have just shot it out of his hand :pac:
You're watching too many John Wayne films.

The Talking Bread · 21-05-2018 12:11PM

chicorytip wrote: »

This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.

maybe he wasn't standing still like a manequin mate, await the facts as this is quickly turning into an agenda against an already traumatised and good willed garda trying to save a colleague from a very dangerous man. They could have been wrestling on the ground for all you know

Captain Obvious · 21-05-2018 12:13PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They should have just shot it out of his hand :pac:
You're watching too many John Wayne films.

Or they could have shot the chandelier above him causing it to fall on him and trap him.

kingofclay · 21-05-2018 12:13PM

My guess is they had it confirmed beforehand that the car in question could retrace it's location and while justice would have been for him to live and receive a harsh prison sentence as soon as he made any attempt to attack they neutralised his threat in the knowledge that'd find her.

Roger Hassenforder · 21-05-2018 12:13PM

chicorytip wrote: »

This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.

One of the Gardai should have allowed themselves be slashed or even better stabbed. The others could have wrestled him to the ground while his knife was stuck in the Garda.
They could have then put a plaster on the wound and taken him off for questioning.

FFS.

dicky dunne · 21-05-2018 12:13PM

chicorytip wrote: »

This is nonsense. He is holding a knife as opposed to a high powered firearm. The garda response was disproportionate.

so what, if that poor girl has been murdered then he got away lightly, he deserved a far more painful death

Ash.J.Williams · 21-05-2018 12:14PM

artvanderlay wrote: »

Could they not have shot him in the leg to disable him? She is still missing, and they would have wanted to extract information from him about her whereabouts...I know it all happens very quickly but surely in a situation like this, marksmen should be trained to disable as well as kill. If it was up to me, I'd still shoot the ****er dead but after the girl is found.

I'm sure if you were in the same situation you would be standing in a large yellow puddle speed dialling your mammy

21-05-2018 12:14PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

maybe he wasn't standing still like a manequin mate, await the facts as this is quickly turning into an agenda against an already traumatised and good willed garda trying to save a colleague from a very dangerous man. They could have been wrestling on the ground for all you know

What a good idea on a thread such as this! You would think it would be something people would automatically just do but nah.

testicles · 21-05-2018 12:15PM

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Ken. · 21-05-2018 12:15PM

Mod-Thread title updated.

RasTa · 21-05-2018 12:15PM

Gardai story is now(on newstalk there) the officer thought the girl was in the car and he was going to stab her so he fired the shot.

P45 for that gardai, same as that other one who shot someone in Dublin in the early hours of the morning and we've heard nothing since.

punisher5112 · 21-05-2018 12:15PM

artvanderlay wrote: »

Could they not have shot him in the leg to disable him? She is still missing, and they would have wanted to extract information from him about her whereabouts...I know it all happens very quickly but surely in a situation like this, marksmen should be trained to disable as well as kill. If it was up to me, I'd still shoot the ****er dead but after the girl is found.

Marksmen???

It was a detective I was told, he doesn't have a sniper rifle.

A 9mm hand gun are extremely difficult to fire on target.

If there was a real threat then he was shot for this reason alone.

Have you ever noticed the guards here shoot pretty much as often as you find a hen with teeth.

Look at the detective that was shot and killed in the botched robbery and the partner never discharged his weapon!!!! Why didn't he I would ask???

None of us were there so nobody but the officer that fired can answer ....

punisher5112 · 21-05-2018 12:16PM

RasTa wrote: »

Gardai story is now(on newstalk there) the officer thought the girl was in the car and he was going to stab her so he fired the shot.

P45 for that gardai, same as that other one who shot someone in Dublin in the early hours of the morning and we've heard nothing since.

P45 will ya stop....

BattleCorp · 21-05-2018 12:16PM

All these gobsh1tes posters saying they should have shot him in the hand/leg etc. You are watching too many Hollywood movies lads.

I'm very experienced with firearms, both pistols and rifles. It's feckin hard enough to hit an A4 size target when it is still, let alone when it is running at you with a knife.

When someone runs at you with a knife or any sort of weapon, it's either them or you. When you shoot, you aim to make sure they don't keep coming.

kingofclay · 21-05-2018 12:16PM

There's no real justice for crimes like this in the world we live in. The only justice is when the inmate is a very weak and meek individual and they get absolutely destroyed in the prison system. If that Garda gets fired for this I swear I will do what I can to organise a mass rally in support of him.

Our justice system works for petty crimes and robbery, but when the acts are more serious and makes a young women not able to return home to her mum and dad, the punishments aren't fit for purpose.

Amalgam · 21-05-2018 12:17PM

RasTa wrote: »

Gardai story is now(on newstalk there) the officer thought the girl was in the car and he was going to stab her so he fired the shot.

P45 for that gardai, same as that other one who shot someone in Dublin in the early hours of the morning and we've heard nothing since.

:rolleyes:

21-05-2018 12:17PM

dicky dunne wrote: »

so what, if that poor girl has been murdered then he got away lightly, he deserved a far more painful death

If he was caught and charged with a murder, people would be moaning that the Gardai didn't just kill the POS and now he's gonna cost the taxpayer millions to play Xbox in a holiday camp until his release in a decade and a half. They literally can't win no matter what.

Mrcaramelchoc · 21-05-2018 12:17PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Yes, surely. I mean obviously. Everyone knows that. Especially us untrained civilians here on the internet.

F*ck sake. It’s not Call Of Duty. Literally dozens of possibilities as to how it went down as if did. They possibly did shoot him in the legs and ruptured a major artery. Could have aimed at a torso and he moved at the same time and took it in the neck. Could’ve brandished any sort of weapon, or what police thought to be a weapon, and left them little choice but to react.

Oh calm down.
everyone of us in here is either surmising or just putting forward an opinion because none of us know the facts.im not criticising the gardai sorry if it seems like it and unlike you i don't play call of duty.games are for children.

Sundew · 21-05-2018 12:18PM

Paul williams on Newstalk now. Seemingly officer was sure she was beside him in car with him holding knife so took action. Wonder has Hennessy done things previously in the Wicklow area unbeknowns to the Gardai?

Amalgam · 21-05-2018 12:19PM

boards needs a, 'Head-the-ball-AntiAGS' forum, somewhere quiet..

RacoonQueen · 21-05-2018 12:19PM

This thread is going round in circles from the distinguished marksmen and negotiators saying what they'd have done if they were the guards to rational people with the same volume of information these distinguished marksmen and negotiators.

NabyLadistheman · 21-05-2018 12:20PM

Sundew wrote: »

Paul williams on Newstalk now. Seemingly officer was sure she was beside him in car with him holding knife so took action. Wonder has Hennessy done things previously in the Wicklow area unbeknowns to the Gardai?

Surely she was in risk of being shot if this is the case

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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