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Barry Badrinath wrote: »

All of it suggests a panic reaction.

You dont keep shooting until the threat is nutralised.

You also have to account for every single shot you fire and in an investigation, you will be scrutinised and will have to justify every single shot you fire. If your last shot was unneccessery and it caused the fatal blow whereas the assailant would have otherwise surrvived, you could be up **** creek.

Where did you get your weapons training?

I've no idea about Ireland. But as a law enforcement officer in the US. You absolutely do shoot to neutralize. We are trained to aim for center mass and shoot until target is down. This is why you often see claims of overkill in the media during officer involved shootings. You can have a number of officers all with weapons trained on target. If threat is imminent target is engaged until they are down. Each officer doesn't have time to synchronize shots and each one is independent. And if you have ever been involved in such an incident. You would know it is not like the movies where people instantly fall. Adrenaline can allow someone to take 6 shots to the chest before they may be incapacitated.

After the fact you account for the shots. What you have signed out vs what you sign back in. You are not trained to account for bullets before the fact. Again, no idea about Ireland but from liaising with other countries over the years. I don't know what police force operates that way.

I also don't know how you can definitively claim panic shot. You don't know the details. Nor do I. Have you ever been lunged at with a knife? Have you ever been in a situation with weapon trained on suspect and a lunge with a knife is made towards another officer or member of general public? Do you know how quick this happens? As an armed officer you should be trained to react to threats. And threats can happen very quickly and in a variety of ways. The head would never be something I'd instinctively target as it's not what I'm trained for. That could suggest center mass was obstructed. From what I've read. None of the details are available. So don't know how someone can categorically state something about it.

ebbsy wrote: »

Well I wouldn't have killed him. Cos that would have been stupid.

well if you were the person in that suituation then, wed probably be dealing with at least one fatality of an innocent, unarmed traffic cop this morning.

thankfully you were not and that cop is alive and was able to go home to his family last night.

DellyBelly wrote: »

I wonder could this guy who was shot been involved in the cases of the missing women in Ireland like to Jo dollard etc...it's quite plausible.

Extremely extremely unlikely. Paul Reynolds said last night this man had never come to the attention of the Gardaí before and he would've been about 17 when Jo Jo Dullard went missing.

DellyBelly wrote: »

I wonder could this guy who was shot been involved in the cases of the missing women in Ireland like to Jo dollard etc...it's quite plausible.

Highly unlikely.

I actually praise the Gardai here, someone pulls a knife on them, all bets are off.
The sooner we have less people like this in the world the better.

El Horseboxo wrote: »

I also don't know how you can definitively claim panic shot. You don't know the details. Nor do I. Have you ever been lunged at with a knife? Have you ever been in a situation with weapon trained on suspect and a lunge with a knife is made towards another officer or member of general public? Do you know how quick this happens? As an armed officer you should be trained to react to threats. And threats can happen very quickly and in a variety of ways. The head would never be something I'd instinctively target as it's not what I'm trained for. That could suggest center mass was obstructed. From what I've read. None of the details are available. So don't know how someone can categorically state something about it.

If I were an armed police officer and a shiny object is pointed at me from any distance, I know how I'd respond. I'm not taking the time to figure is it a knife or a firearm.

Cherrywood is not deserted. Brides Glen is a busy enough Luas Stop. There's also apartments near by and a Spar(which may be closed late on a Sunday) and a park right in front where he was parked up. The evening wasn't great so it probably was quiet

One thing that strikes me is how spur of the moment this seems to be. He told his wife he was off away for the evening.

Then he abducts the victim from side of the road. If it was totally random and he had no prior connection to her it truly is a strange case.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

One thing that strikes me is how spur of the moment this seems to be. He told his wife he was off away for the evening.

Then he abducts the victim from side of the road. If it was totally random and he had no prior connection to her it truly is a strange case.

I suspect the "no prior connection" thing will turn out to be untrue.

No prior connection that anyone was aware of.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-think-ive-seen-something-terrible-what-eyewitness-said-after-spotting-suspected-abduction-36928400.html

Sadly, a lot of men have odd preconceived ideas about Asian women, I wouldn't be trying to tar her with some emotional connection.

I don't think some baldy feck looking like Beaker from The Muppets would have been a woman magnet..

I think it's fair to say if the suspect was shot outside the vehicle than he most likey made a move towards the guard and was rightly put down.

If he was shot inside the vehicle than I think it's fair to say the guard or guards over reacted.

I've no axe to grind with AGS. Guards are human, mistakes happen. Hopefully this shooting was outside the vehicle and the guards lives were threatened.

average_runner wrote: »

Highly unlikely.

I actually praise the Gardai here, someone pulls a knife on them, all bets are off.
The sooner we have less people like this in the world the better.

I agree with you in certain circumstances. However this man knew where this poor girl was/is and while he may not have co-operated with the Gardai if kept alive, the priority should have been to somehow keep him alive.

We don't know the full circumstances of what happened but we are entitled to question the actions of an Garda siochana. Perhaps Garda felt she was still in the car and in imminent danger which would justify neutralising him.

kingofclay wrote: »

TBF, he was married but yeah, I totally get the Asian women angle, so it's possible, perhaps he was in a sexless unfulfilled marriage. We don't know. Reports are he punched her, I don't think he'd do that if he knew her, my hunch would be that if he knew her he would have felt a sense of entitlement and just sort of forced her by the arm into the car. Just my theory.

News reports that Gardaí do not believe she knew him and it was "random".

kingofclay wrote: »

TBF, he was married but yeah, I totally get the Asian women angle, so it's possible, perhaps he was in a sexless unfulfilled marriage. We don't know. Reports are he punched her, I don't think he'd do that if he knew her, my hunch would be that if he knew her he would have felt a sense of entitlement and just sort of forced her by the arm into the car. Just my theory.

He did this cause he was a nutter. Plenty of people in sexless marriages find a way to satisfy their needs without resorting to kidnap. Abducting a woman in the middle of the afternoon is not the action of a rational person.