Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

Whatever mistakes were made by AGS, we'll never get hear about them anyway.

There will be a massive cover up operation underway as we speak..

It's one thing our force is extremely well versed at..

kippy wrote: »

The attitude shown towards members of AGS on here is disgraceful. People have a huge axe to grind and have very little appreciation for the daily dangers and issues members of the force have to deal with sometimes literally making split second life or death decisions.

Well I base futire predictions on past events and I can only go on the endless number of scandals and cover ups we've watched unfold over the last 30 years or so but sure maybe you are correct and this time it will be different from all the other times.

We'll see.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Oh for Gods sake its totally possible there were people there .

I work there. the place is deserted.

I don't even let my daughters get off the Luas there because it's so deserted.

I pick them up in Sandyford instead.

Do you even know the area ?

It's mostly wasteground.

Swanner wrote: »

Well I base futire predictions on past events and I can only go on the endless number of scandals and cover ups we've watched unfold over the last 30 years or so but sure maybe you are correct and this time it will be different from all the other times.

We'll see.

You do realise the 'all the other times' are a very small percentage of incidents that AGS have dealt with over the years?
Why jump to so many conclusions on this incident with absolutely no access to the facts or situational details?
How about you back the group of people that are literally putting their lives on the line on a daily basis to protect the rest of us in our bubbles of idealistic thinking?

kippy wrote: »

You do realise the 'all the other times' are a very small percentage of incidents that AGS have dealt with over the years?
Why jump to so many conclusions on this incident with absolutely no access to the facts or situational details?
How about you back the group of people that are literally putting their lives on the line on a daily basis to protect the rest of us in our bubbles of idealistic thinking?

Because hes made his mind up that any facts will be part of a cover up so facts or no facts he can keep claiming the AGS are hopeless.

pjohnson wrote: »

Because hes made his mind up that any facts will be part of a cover up so facts or no facts he can keep claiming the AGS are hopeless.

Agreed I have. I don't trust AGS.

They have shown themselves to be utterly untrustworthy over and over and over again. How many more scandals and cover ups do we need to have before people start to doubt their honesty ?

pjohnson wrote: »

You should be listening to your teacher.

Incredibly witty. Well done. Go you..

Green Peter wrote: »

I guess it's their way of putting the boot in to AGS after getting that speeding ticket 5 years ago or being arrested for being a dick at 4am drunk on the street.

No just sick of endless cover ups, lies, scandals and countless innocent victims as direct result of their garda incompetence and corruption.

Trust and respect are earned. AGS have earned neither.

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

All of it suggests a panic reaction.

You dont keep shooting until the threat is nutralised.

You also have to account for every single shot you fire and in an investigation, you will be scrutinised and will have to justify every single shot you fire. If your last shot was unneccessery and it caused the fatal blow whereas the assailant would have otherwise surrvived, you could be up **** creek.

Where did you get your weapons training?

I've no idea about Ireland. But as a law enforcement officer in the US. You absolutely do shoot to neutralize. We are trained to aim for center mass and shoot until target is down. This is why you often see claims of overkill in the media during officer involved shootings. You can have a number of officers all with weapons trained on target. If threat is imminent target is engaged until they are down. Each officer doesn't have time to synchronize shots and each one is independent. And if you have ever been involved in such an incident. You would know it is not like the movies where people instantly fall. Adrenaline can allow someone to take 6 shots to the chest before they may be incapacitated.

After the fact you account for the shots. What you have signed out vs what you sign back in. You are not trained to account for bullets before the fact. Again, no idea about Ireland but from liaising with other countries over the years. I don't know what police force operates that way.

I also don't know how you can definitively claim panic shot. You don't know the details. Nor do I. Have you ever been lunged at with a knife? Have you ever been in a situation with weapon trained on suspect and a lunge with a knife is made towards another officer or member of general public? Do you know how quick this happens? As an armed officer you should be trained to react to threats. And threats can happen very quickly and in a variety of ways. The head would never be something I'd instinctively target as it's not what I'm trained for. That could suggest center mass was obstructed. From what I've read. None of the details are available. So don't know how someone can categorically state something about it.

ebbsy wrote: »

Well I wouldn't have killed him. Cos that would have been stupid.

well if you were the person in that suituation then, wed probably be dealing with at least one fatality of an innocent, unarmed traffic cop this morning.

thankfully you were not and that cop is alive and was able to go home to his family last night.

DellyBelly wrote: »

I wonder could this guy who was shot been involved in the cases of the missing women in Ireland like to Jo dollard etc...it's quite plausible.

Extremely extremely unlikely. Paul Reynolds said last night this man had never come to the attention of the Gardaí before and he would've been about 17 when Jo Jo Dullard went missing.