Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

average_runner · 21-05-2018 08:42AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

I wonder could this guy who was shot been involved in the cases of the missing women in Ireland like to Jo dollard etc...it's quite plausible.

Highly unlikely.

I actually praise the Gardai here, someone pulls a knife on them, all bets are off.
The sooner we have less people like this in the world the better.

Amalgam · 21-05-2018 08:43AM

Swanner wrote: »

What's your point ?

That you have an axe to grind.. regarding the AGS, regardless of this event.

eigrod · 21-05-2018 08:44AM

El Horseboxo wrote: »

I also don't know how you can definitively claim panic shot. You don't know the details. Nor do I. Have you ever been lunged at with a knife? Have you ever been in a situation with weapon trained on suspect and a lunge with a knife is made towards another officer or member of general public? Do you know how quick this happens? As an armed officer you should be trained to react to threats. And threats can happen very quickly and in a variety of ways. The head would never be something I'd instinctively target as it's not what I'm trained for. That could suggest center mass was obstructed. From what I've read. None of the details are available. So don't know how someone can categorically state something about it.

If I were an armed police officer and a shiny object is pointed at me from any distance, I know how I'd respond. I'm not taking the time to figure is it a knife or a firearm.

Malayalam · 21-05-2018 08:44AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

I wonder could this guy who was shot been involved in the cases of the missing women in Ireland like to Jo dollard etc...it's quite plausible.

As far as I can make out, Jo Jo is missing 22 years, Annie McCarrick since 1993 (25 years), and Deirdre Jacob about 19 years. This suspect is 40 - perhaps too young at the time of those disappearances to be a suspect.

kingofclay · 21-05-2018 08:45AM

Cherrywood is not deserted. Brides Glen is a busy enough Luas Stop. There's also apartments near by and a Spar(which may be closed late on a Sunday) and a park right in front where he was parked up. The evening wasn't great so it probably was quiet

Captain Obvious · 21-05-2018 08:46AM

Swanner wrote: »

Whatever mistakes were made by AGS, we'll never get hear about them anyway.

There will be a massive cover up operation underway as we speak..

It's one thing our force is extremely well versed at..

Was there a shooting covered up before?

DrumSteve wrote: »

You lads are gas on here...

If someone has a knife and he's coming at you, he's going to get shot.

Fair play to the garda too.

It's fairly easy for them to test their theories. Get a mate to stand 20 feet away from you with a stick and tell him to sprint towards you without notice. They can then test their ideas for putting away a gun and subduing him or for aiming at his hands.

Beechwoodspark · 21-05-2018 08:46AM

One thing that strikes me is how spur of the moment this seems to be. He told his wife he was off away for the evening.

Then he abducts the victim from side of the road. If it was totally random and he had no prior connection to her it truly is a strange case.

iamwhoiam · 21-05-2018 08:47AM

astradave wrote: »

The /s implies the sarcasm in his/her post, looking at those pictures of where the forensic preservation tent is set up it’s away from the car which is in view so You could possibly take from that, that the shooting occurred outside of the car.

Thanks I had no idea that /s had a meaning ?

seamus · 21-05-2018 08:52AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

One thing that strikes me is how spur of the moment this seems to be. He told his wife he was off away for the evening.

Then he abducts the victim from side of the road. If it was totally random and he had no prior connection to her it truly is a strange case.

I suspect the "no prior connection" thing will turn out to be untrue.

No prior connection that anyone was aware of.

average_runner · 21-05-2018 08:53AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

One thing that strikes me is how spur of the moment this seems to be. He told his wife he was off away for the evening.

Then he abducts the victim from side of the road. If it was totally random and he had no prior connection to her it truly is a strange case.

We will find out there is a connection here, not very often these are a spur of the moment thing

allthedoyles · 21-05-2018 08:56AM

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-think-ive-seen-something-terrible-what-eyewitness-said-after-spotting-suspected-abduction-36928400.html

Gwen Cooper · 21-05-2018 08:56AM

seamus wrote: »

I suspect the "no prior connection" thing will turn out to be untrue.

No prior connection that anyone was aware of.

I agree with you there. I don't believe that he was just driving around with the intention of kidnapping just anyone, that would be quite rare.

Amalgam · 21-05-2018 08:56AM

Sadly, a lot of men have odd preconceived ideas about Asian women, I wouldn't be trying to tar her with some emotional connection.

I don't think some baldy feck looking like Beaker from The Muppets would have been a woman magnet..

The Bishop Basher · 21-05-2018 08:57AM

Amalgam wrote: »

That you have an axe to grind.. regarding the AGS, regardless of this event.

Yes I do. Why wouldn't I ?

We have a corrupt Garda force with that corruption sanctioned and ordered from the very top down.

I find it confusing that normal tax paying, law abiding people wouldn't have an axe to grind.

A corrupt and dishonest force threatens the very core of our democracy.

I don't know what happened here last night. Maybe AGS acted appropriately, maybe they didn't.

All i'm saying is we'll never know the truth because it'll be covered up as has always been done in the past.

This seems to have ruffled a few feathers but hey ho.. Facts are facts.

PokeHerKing · 21-05-2018 08:57AM

I think it's fair to say if the suspect was shot outside the vehicle than he most likey made a move towards the guard and was rightly put down.

If he was shot inside the vehicle than I think it's fair to say the guard or guards over reacted.

I've no axe to grind with AGS. Guards are human, mistakes happen. Hopefully this shooting was outside the vehicle and the guards lives were threatened.

Wetbench4 · 21-05-2018 08:58AM

Maybe he tried to run a guard over and he got shot in arm and head through the windscreen. Im betting he was still off his head from the night before. All purely speculation of course..

munsterlegend · 21-05-2018 08:59AM

average_runner wrote: »

Highly unlikely.

I actually praise the Gardai here, someone pulls a knife on them, all bets are off.
The sooner we have less people like this in the world the better.

I agree with you in certain circumstances. However this man knew where this poor girl was/is and while he may not have co-operated with the Gardai if kept alive, the priority should have been to somehow keep him alive.

We don't know the full circumstances of what happened but we are entitled to question the actions of an Garda siochana. Perhaps Garda felt she was still in the car and in imminent danger which would justify neutralising him.

kingofclay · 21-05-2018 09:01AM

Amalgam wrote: »

Sadly, a lot of men have odd preconceived ideas about Asian women, I wouldn't be trying to tar her with some emotional connection.

I don't think some baldy feck looking like Beaker from The Muppets would have been a woman magnet..

TBF, he was married but yeah, I totally get the Asian women angle, so it's possible, perhaps he was in a sexless unfulfilled marriage. We don't know. Reports are he punched her, I don't think he'd do that if he knew her, my hunch would be that if he knew her he would have felt a sense of entitlement and just sort of forced her by the arm into the car. Just my theory.

Reati · 21-05-2018 09:03AM

kingofclay wrote: »

TBF, he was married but yeah, I totally get the Asian women angle, so it's possible, perhaps he was in a sexless unfulfilled marriage. We don't know. Reports are he punched her, I don't think he'd do that if he knew her, my hunch would be that if he knew her he would have felt a sense of entitlement and just sort of forced her by the arm into the car. Just my theory.

News reports that Gardaí do not believe she knew him and it was "random".

ZeroThreat · 21-05-2018 09:04AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

One thing that strikes me is how spur of the moment this seems to be. He told his wife he was off away for the evening.

Then he abducts the victim from side of the road. If it was totally random and he had no prior connection to her it truly is a strange case.

Not really strange for Ireland tbh. This country seems to have an unusually high number of head-bangers for its size.

eviltwin · 21-05-2018 09:04AM

kingofclay wrote: »

TBF, he was married but yeah, I totally get the Asian women angle, so it's possible, perhaps he was in a sexless unfulfilled marriage. We don't know. Reports are he punched her, I don't think he'd do that if he knew her, my hunch would be that if he knew her he would have felt a sense of entitlement and just sort of forced her by the arm into the car. Just my theory.

He did this cause he was a nutter. Plenty of people in sexless marriages find a way to satisfy their needs without resorting to kidnap. Abducting a woman in the middle of the afternoon is not the action of a rational person.

Captain Obvious · 21-05-2018 09:04AM

A bit annoying that people tried to approach him despite being specifically told not to.

Following a massive garda appeal for information about the car, Hennessy was sighted at Killiney Dart station yesterday afternoon.

When confronted by members of the public, he mounted a curb in the Qashqai and fled the scene at speed.

listermint · 21-05-2018 09:05AM

kingofclay wrote: »

TBF, he was married but yeah, I totally get the Asian women angle, so it's possible, perhaps he was in a sexless unfulfilled marriage. We don't know. Reports are he punched her, I don't think he'd do that if he knew her, my hunch would be that if he knew her he would have felt a sense of entitlement and just sort of forced her by the arm into the car. Just my theory.

RTE reported this man had no connection to this woman and everything points to a random attack.

Its most likely he was driving along looking for a target and she was quite small in stature and very easy for him to subdue.

The article indicates that eye witnesses said the jeep suddenly stopped out of now where and he punched the victim in the face throwing her into the boot of the vehicle.

AAAAAAAAA · 21-05-2018 09:08AM

Wetbench4 wrote: »

Maybe he tried to run a guard over and he got shot in arm and head through the windscreen. Im betting he was still off his head from the night before. All purely speculation of course..

windscreen is intact but the driver's side window is either rolled down or gone from this pic on sky: https://e3.365dm.com/18/05/1096x616/skynews-dublin-police-shoot-dead-man_4316241.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180521010145

OB1Kildare · 21-05-2018 09:08AM

just saw pictures of the stretch of road she was taken from - im in kildare and its all too familiar to deirdre jacob - isolated stretch of road , with a bend to obscure vision.

Captain Obvious · 21-05-2018 09:09AM

Swanner wrote: »

Yes I do. Why wouldn't I ?

I think the issue is more that there are plenty of Garda bashing threads and there are legitimate reasons to distrust Gardaí but this is not the thread and doesn't look like being one of those reasons.

listermint wrote: »

RTE reported this man had no connection to this woman and everything points to a random attack.

Its most likely he was driving along looking for a target and she was quite small in stature and very easy for him to subdue.

The article indicates that eye witnesses said the jeep suddenly stopped out of now where and he punched the victim in the face throwing her into the boot of the vehicle.

It's not hard to see why people have such a hard time accepting that though. It's just bizarre. I'm not saying it's not the case, just that it's understandable why people have such difficulty accepting it.

CeilingFly · 21-05-2018 09:10AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

A bit annoying that people tried to approach him despite being specifically told not to.

and one of the board's part-time sleuths even said he was out looking for the car and came upon the scene in cherrywood. - Gardai told him to eff off.

Mrsmum · 21-05-2018 09:11AM

kingofclay wrote: »

TBF, he was married but yeah, I totally get the Asian women angle, so it's possible, perhaps he was in a sexless unfulfilled marriage. We don't know. Reports are he punched her, I don't think he'd do that if he knew her, my hunch would be that if he knew her he would have felt a sense of entitlement and just sort of forced her by the arm into the car. Just my theory.

It really is ridiculous speculating on his marriage. It wouldn't be the first time someone in a normal marriage had a secret dark side eg Graham Dwyer.

Flippyfloppy · 21-05-2018 09:11AM

A connection to Jo jo Dullard et al is extremely unlikely, but there are plenty of more recent missing women in Ireland. Loads of non nationals that barely get reported, and another lady who disappeared in odd circumstances whose car was found at Bray head nonetheless.

I dread to think, if she wasn't sighted being abducted, would her disappearance have been taken seriously at all??

kingofclay · 21-05-2018 09:11AM

OB1Kildare wrote: »

just saw pictures of the stretch of road she was taken from - im in kildare and its all too familiar to deirdre jacob - isolated stretch of road , with a bend to obscure vision.

Only thing is that's it's summer in Enniskerry on a very nice day. It's not that isolated.

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