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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #8552
    reubenreuben
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    That's often down to those girls having a terrible upbringing-the 'spoilt b!tch' who thinks getting a termination is as easy as a shopping trip.

    They don't realise that everyone reacts differently to a termination-and while one girl will not regret it, another will rue the day on every anniversary.

    But we cannot police stupidity. It's why education is so important-it's a last step, for many, and every woman reacts differently. Every person has regrets, but you can't police that.

    I feel sorry for you that you feel this way about women. Maybe you had a terrible upbringing, is that it?


  • #8553
    Just her
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Just her


    Why did pugzilla get thread banned?


  • #8554
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    That's often down to those girls having a terrible upbringing-the 'spoilt b!tch' who thinks getting a termination is as easy as a shopping trip.

    They don't realise that everyone reacts differently to a termination-and while one girl will not regret it, another will rue the day on every anniversary.

    But we cannot police stupidity. It's why education is so important-it's a last step, for many, and every woman reacts differently. Every person has regrets, but you can't police that.

    Wow . You just let yourself down in a spectacular way


  • #8555
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Is anyone ever influenced by a poster on a pillar ever ? Are there actual people who look at a poster and think " Oh , I will vote No/ Yes because I saw a poster with Yes or No on it "

    The No posters along the lines of "if killing a baby at six months" might be effective I think. They just have to stop people voting yes, they're going strongly for fearmongering.


  • #8556
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Esmeralda Inexpensive Balloonist wrote: »
    The No posters along the lines of "if killing a baby at six months" might be effective I think. They just have to stop people voting yes, they're going strongly for fearmongering.


    That's why it should have never been in the Constitution in the first place


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  • #8557
    one world order
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭one world order


    Since the last abortion referendum there are over 100,000 Irish people alive today, whose life would otherwise have been terminated long ago.

    It's hard to understand why someone would choose to kill a 12 week healthy baby. They have arms, legs, head and has been shown they scream when they are been killed.

    I'll vote no and would urge anyone that wants to protect the right to life of all those future Irish people coming behind us to also do the right thing and vote no.


  • #8558
    FingerDeKat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 219 ✭✭FingerDeKat


    one world order wrote: »
    Since the last abortion referendum there are over 100,000 Irish people alive today, whose life would otherwise have been terminated long ago.

    It's hard to understand why someone would choose to kill a 12 week healthy baby. They have arms, legs, head and has been shown they scream when they are been killed.

    I'll vote no and would urge anyone that wants to protect the right to life of all those future Irish people coming behind us to also do the right thing and vote no.
    Go away you deluded fool


  • #8559
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,211 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    Is Malta the beacon of society? Only other developed country (or assumed since joining EU) in Europe with the same kind restriction; actually it's banned entirely under any circumstance in fact there...their women are too forced out of their own country if they decide to seek a termination.

    They only have divorce laws in place since 2011, were we wrong to enact them in 1995?

    Malta is a horrible corrupt little shithole.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #8560
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    one world order wrote: »
    Since the last abortion referendum there are over 100,000 Irish people alive today, whose life would otherwise have been terminated long ago.

    How are you evaluating that number? Where does it come from?

    Also what about all the people who are NOT alive today, who otherwise would have been, had we not made contraception legal?
    one world order wrote: »
    They have arms, legs, head and has been shown they scream when they are been killed.

    Shown where exactly? Where are you getting this stuff from? And who has been killing 12 week old babies? That is murder. We are talking about fetuses here. Are you on the wrong thread?


  • #8561
    reubenreuben
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    one world order wrote: »
    Since the last abortion referendum there are over 100,000 Irish people alive today, whose life would otherwise have been terminated long ago.

    It's hard to understand why someone would choose to kill a 12 week healthy baby. They have arms, legs, head and has been shown they scream when they are been killed.

    I'll vote no and would urge anyone that wants to protect the right to life of all those future Irish people coming behind us to also do the right thing and vote no.

    You see , that's where you are living in the past, its not just future irish people that live in ireland. There are over 400,000 non nationals living here and don't have a vote.
    Or are you not bothered about the non-nationals and only bothered about irish people. What is this germany in the 1940's??


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  • #8562
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    ShaneU wrote: »
    I don't want teenage girls who break up with their boyfriends getting abortions out of spite. This is already happening with trips to the UK but making it easier won't help.

    That is quite a negative attitude towards teenage girls. Perhaps teenagers that find themselves pregnant have abortions because they realise they are not emotionally ready, mature enough or financially secure enough to raise a child on their own. But no according to that post it is out of spite to their ex.


  • #8563
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    iamwhoiam wrote:
    Is anyone ever influenced by a poster on a pillar ever ? Are there actual people who look at a poster and think " Oh , I will vote No/ Yes because I saw a poster with Yes or No on it "


    Yes I believe marketing has been known to work from time to time. In fact I think there might even be money to be made from it.


  • #8564
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Malta is a horrible corrupt little shithole.

    Only millimetres above it currently.


  • #8565
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,807 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Is anyone ever influenced by a poster on a pillar ever ? Are there actual people who look at a poster and think " Oh , I will vote No/ Yes because I saw a poster with Yes or No on it "

    On the bus earlier in the week I overheard two Indian guys (late 20s/30s) discussing the issue - one was a No Voter and was trying to convince his mate to also Vote No. The second guy was dubious but when his friend pointed out a poster which 'proved' what he was saying he said 'wow, you're right that is terrible'. So potentially an effective No poster has gained a vote there.

    I won't say which No poster had this reaction.


  • #8566
    reubenreuben
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    mohawk wrote: »
    That is quite a negative attitude towards teenage girls. Perhaps teenagers that find themselves pregnant have abortions because they realise they are not emotionally ready, mature enough or financially secure enough to raise a child on their own. But no according to that post it is out of spite to their ex.

    I feel sorry for the teenagers pre age 18. As they don't get to vote. How come? They are legally allowed to have sex at 16, so why do they not get to vote on this as it affects them as much as 18 years and older


  • #8567
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    one world order wrote: »
    Since the last abortion referendum there are over 100,000 Irish people alive today, whose life would otherwise have been terminated long ago.

    It's hard to understand why someone would choose to kill a 12 week healthy baby. They have arms, legs, head and has been shown they scream when they are been killed.

    I'll vote no and would urge anyone that wants to protect the right to life of all those future Irish people coming behind us to also do the right thing and vote no.
    About 3000 irish women get abortions. every year.
    35 years x 3000 = 105000

    The 8th saved nothing just caused pain, heartache and ironically death.


  • #8568
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,211 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    It depends on the agent. There are many. Some of them are known teratogens. Some are thought to be.

    Well, exactly. It's hard to prove the safety of a drug during pregnancy, for the very obvious reason that conducting such a trial would be unethical.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #8569
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    one world order wrote: »
    Since the last abortion referendum there are over 100,000 Irish people alive today, whose life would otherwise have been terminated long ago.

    Source?
    It's hard to understand why someone would choose to kill a 12 week healthy baby. They have arms, legs, head and has been shown they scream when they are been killed.

    I'll vote no and would urge anyone that wants to protect the right to life of all those future Irish people coming behind us to also do the right thing and vote no.

    Been watching The Silent Scream have you?

    "Claim:
    The 12-week fetus makes purposeful movements (e.g., agitated movement in an attempt to avoid suction cannula).
    Facts:
    At this stage of pregnancy, all fetal movement is reflexive in nature rather than purposeful, since the latter requires cognition, which is the ability to perceive and know. For cognition to occur, the cortex (gray matter covering the brain) must be present, as well as myelinization (covering sheath) of the spinal cord and attached nerves, which is not the case.
    An example of the reflex withdrawal without pain occurs in an anencephalic (absent brain) newborn. Another known example of the reflex movement at this stage of human pregnancy is thumb sucking in utero.
    What is termed "frantic activity" by the fetus is a reflex response of the fetus resulting from movement of the uterus and its contents induced by operator manipulation of the suction curette or the ultrasound transducer on the abdomen. This same type of response would likely occur with any external stimulus. A one-cell organism such as an amoeba will reflexively move or display a withdrawal reaction when touched.

    The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
    Statement on Pain of the Fetus
    We know of no legitimate scientific information that supports the statement that a fetus experiences pain early in pregnancy.
    We do know that the cerebellum attains its final configuration in the seventh month and that mylenization (or covering) of the spinal cord and the brain begins between the 20th and 40th weeks of pregnancy. These, as well as other neurological developments, would have to be in place for the fetus to receive pain.
    To feel pain, a fetus needs neurotransmitted hormones. In animals, these complex chemicals develop in the last third of gestation. We know of no evidence that humans are different."

    http://prochoicechristian1.blogspot.ie/2009/11/silent-scream-is-lie.html


  • #8570
    sightband
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 670 ✭✭✭sightband


    reubenreuben wrote: »
    I feel sorry for you that you feel this way about women. Maybe you had a terrible upbringing, is that it?

    Do you do any one to one sessions with a bit of psychobabble thrown in to give yourself a bit more credibility in your diagnosis?


  • #8571
    reubenreuben
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    sightband wrote: »
    Do you do any one to one sessions with a bit of psychobabble thrown in to give yourself a bit more credibility in your diagnosis?

    That statement in itself worries me about your state of mind.


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  • #8572
    ShaneU
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭ShaneU


    mohawk wrote: »
    That is quite a negative attitude towards teenage girls. Perhaps teenagers that find themselves pregnant have abortions because they realise they are not emotionally ready, mature enough or financially secure enough to raise a child on their own. But no according to that post it is out of spite to their ex.
    I never said they were all due to spite or regret but growing up in North Dublin has taught me there are some young girls who would absolutely have this attitude. You're being naive to think otherwise. The other reasons you state are perfectly valid.


  • #8573
    sightband
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 670 ✭✭✭sightband


    reubenreuben wrote: »
    That statement in itself worries me about your state of mind.

    How much do I owe you for that session?


  • #8574
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,807 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    quickbeam wrote: »
    …... I presume I'm massively misunderstanding something as if this is the case...….
    reubenreuben wrote: »
    Is that a serious question?
    erica74 wrote: »
    You are.

    Not trying to be smart here folks but you need to be a bit nicer to people in the final week.

    Obviously we've had trolls come in with their 'just askin' nonsense, and there'll be many more next week. But there'll also be people who genuinely haven't followed the issue at all and will be asking basic questions that were debated here two months ago. Then there'll be people asking the same question that was answered on the previous page cause they don't care enough to read back and this can be quite frustrating as well.
    These peoples votes count identically to everyone elses and are as important to gain.

    Be patient, ultimately it's better that the rereg troll wastes a few minutes of our time rather than a potential voter gets turned off by not being given a pleasant factual & convincing answer.

    No offence intended to anyone.


  • #8575
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,717 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Not sure if it's being posted.(Lets not try to get into a fight over it)
    The final Primetime debate is on Tuesday at 21:35. Two speakers from each side and it will have an audience!
    Anybody know who's debating?


  • #8576
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,014 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Not sure if it's being posted.(Lets not try to get into a fight over it)
    The final Primetime debate is on Tuesday at 21:35. Two speakers from each side and it will have an audience!
    Anybody know who's debating?

    Hopefully McGuirk and Waters. Comedy value would be immense.


  • #8577
    Uncharted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭Uncharted


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Not sure if it's being posted.(Lets not try to get into a fight over it)
    The final Primetime debate is on Tuesday at 21:35. Two speakers from each side and it will have an audience!
    Anybody know who's debating?

    KEEP CLAIRE BYRNE UNDER LOCK AND KEY!!!!!!


  • #8578
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,211 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Is anyone ever influenced by a poster on a pillar ever ? Are there actual people who look at a poster and think " Oh , I will vote No/ Yes because I saw a poster with Yes or No on it "

    Posters are really about preaching to the converted, convincing them that their choice is right and motivating them to vote. I don't think a poster ever changed a mind that wasn't leaning a lot in that direction in the first place.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #8579
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,211 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    terenc wrote: »
    Quick look at this site and won't be back again but I will be voting no because am sure if the 8th amendment was not there a lot of good people I know would not be walking there children to school or whatever their are involved in.

    That's like the 1950s catholic slogan - "Contraception is the murder of millions"

    When every married woman was pumping out 6 or 8 or 10 kids whether they liked it or not, them were the good old days :rolleyes:

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #8580
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    I got a booklet through letter box from the yes side, I am wondering why this is so one sided that I did not receive a booklet from the, No side,


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  • #8581
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,717 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    We haven't seen much from Simon Harris or Colm O'Gorman in debates.
    Simon said he'd do one but I would question his debating ability.


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