8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

antiskeptic

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

My mrs is canvassing for T4Y, the husband of one of the canvassers is a postman and doesn't want to deliver the No leaflets and has taken it to the union. I would have thought he would be obliged to deliver any legal and paid-for mail, and it would sicken my hole to have to deliver such myself, but I'd do it. In 1983 it would have been the anti-8th side who would have been suppressed.

Another gay cake scenario?

Life seemed so simple once.

antiskeptic

Uncharted wrote: »

Primitive and outdated electioneering..

Not everyone is your age.

_Dara_

January wrote: »

It's going to be on tv3

No, RTÉ are holding another debate according to the Irish Times.

_Dara_

My sister is registered in two places. She will only be voting in one place of course but it's mad!

And in the 2009 ref (Lisbon?), I was handed two ballots. I only filled in one and handed the other back, but I wonder how much stuff like that happens?

Uncharted

antiskeptic wrote: »

Not everyone is your age.

Obviously not or Mothercare and nursing homes wouldn't exist.....

Slow....hand....clap....

Coillte_Bhoy

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

My mrs is canvassing for T4Y, the husband of one of the canvassers is a postman and doesn't want to deliver the No leaflets and has taken it to the union. I would have thought he would be obliged to deliver any legal and paid-for mail, and it would sicken my hole to have to deliver such myself, but I'd do it. In 1983 it would have been the anti-8th side who would have been suppressed.

Thats ridiculous. Im 100% Yes bit wouldn't dream of not delivering the No leaflets, thats not our decision unless the union decided to do so and thats opening up a whole new can of worms

retro:electro

_Dara_ wrote: »

My sister is registered in two places. She will only be voting in one place of course but it's mad!

And in the 2009 ref (Lisbon?), I was handed two ballots. I only filled in one and handed the other back, but I wonder how much stuff like that happens?

Same thing with my sister. One ballot was sent to our mum’s house and the other to her own house. Her marriage name on one and her maiden name on the other and two different polling stations! It’s mad. Hope the No crowd aren’t up to that kinda craic :pac:

antiskeptic

Uncharted wrote: »

Obviously not or Mothercare and nursing homes wouldn't exist.....

Slow....hand....clap....

So what was your point then?

antiskeptic

retro:electro wrote: »

Same thing with my sister. One ballot was sent to our mum’s house and the other to her own house. Her marriage name on one and her maiden name on the other! It’s mad. Hope the No crowd aren’t up to that kinda craic :pac:

Name: Anti Ni Gullible

Uncharted

antiskeptic wrote: »

So what was your point then?

My point regarding what......?

kenmc

_Dara_ wrote: »

My sister is registered in two places. She will only be voting in one place of course but it's mad!

Out of curiosity, what, if anything, would happen if she did vote in both places anyone know? Like if you had slight amnesia and forgot you'd voted earlier that day, could that be your fault?

freshpopcorn

I am into the second half of my twenties so I don't know if I am considered the youth vote anymore.
Out of the people I know who's late teens/early twenties. Why are public about how they are voting they are over 80% Yes.
My age bracket seems to mixed to be honest but probably more Yes.

erica74

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Not trying to be smart here folks but you need to be a bit nicer to people in the final week.

Obviously we've had trolls come in with their 'just askin' nonsense, and there'll be many more next week. But there'll also be people who genuinely haven't followed the issue at all and will be asking basic questions that were debated here two months ago. Then there'll be people asking the same question that was answered on the previous page cause they don't care enough to read back and this can be quite frustrating as well.
These peoples votes count identically to everyone elses and are as important to gain.

Be patient, ultimately it's better that the rereg troll wastes a few minutes of our time rather than a potential voter gets turned off by not being given a pleasant factual & convincing answer.

No offence intended to anyone.

Before that post, there was pages and pages of back and forth about exactly how the 8th affects care of women who are diagnosed with cancer (just one part of the discussion). A new poster joined the thread at that point, presumably having read the preceding few pages but asked questions that had literally just been answered so you'll have to forgive my tone.

Anyway.

January

I know the wife of the postman. I'm glad he took a stand the union and eventually an post supported his decision not to deliver anti choice lies on principal.

I handed the no leaflet back to my own postman told him I didn't want it. He said he didn't either.

antiskeptic

Uncharted wrote: »

My point regarding what......?

Outdated canvassing methods. Outdated for you but not for others. Which makes them not outdated.

antiskeptic

January wrote: »

I know the wife of the postman. I'm glad he took a stand the union and eventually an post supported his decision not to deliver anti choice lies on principal.

Rubbish (oops I'm on 3 cards for cursing this week).

erica74

Riesling wrote: »

I find it amusing how both sides like to pretend the ugly truth doesn't exist.

The fact of the matter is, if abortion becomes legal then it is allowing the unborn to be killed. Depending on your moral compass, we shouldn't be allowing such horrific acts just because it will be done elsewhere. If people went abroad to commit genocide of jews would we say "well there just going to do it abroad anyway, we may as well legalise it here. So there needs to be a better argument to convince no voters to switch sides, it's idiotic to try to convince someone to vote yes with that argument if they believe it is fundamentally wrong to kill the unborn.

Likewise, the no side need to accept that many on the yes side view making young girls go through with pregnancy after rape and incest as worse that killing the unborn.

It is subjective which is worse. On balance I think abortion up to 12 weeks is a good middle ground so I'll be voting yes. Many on the yes said did their absolute best however to convince me to vote no with their nonsensical arguments such as the toddler argument "my body my choice", completely missing the point that there is a another body involved with no choice. Then there are the ones who won't give a time limit continually evading the question.

One of the No side posts this same thing every day... ugly truth, moral compass, the Jews, toddler argument...

spookwoman

January wrote: »

I know the wife of the postman. I'm glad he took a stand the union and eventually an post supported his decision not to deliver anti choice lies on principal.

I handed the no leaflet back to my own postman told him I didn't want it. He said he didn't either.

If it’s not addressed then it’s junk mail.

pleas advice

surely theres some issue with not delivering mail, I presume if they were addressed, like election flyers are, they'd have to be delivered?

Hotblack Desiato

Fizzlesque wrote: »

This from the man who said to me "well, at least you didn't use contraception" in 1989 when I told him I was pregnant with my daughter (the same daughter he persuaded me to find an adoptive family for).

I'm so sorry that you were pressurised to give your daughter up for adoption when you might not / would not have otherwise.

My wife was born in a mother and baby home and, obviously, adopted. She was lucky in that her adoptive family are wonderful and treated her just the same as her 'natural' siblings but still there are issues, she has some medical problems and having no idea of family history doesn't help there. She did try to make contact with her birth mother some years ago, but she didn't want to know. She has her own pain to process, I guess. It made it very important for my wife that she would have her own kids, they're the only blood relatives she has. Adoption is not all fun and games as the no side wants to make out.

eviltwin

antiskeptic wrote: »

Rubbish (oops I'm on 3 cards for cursing this week).

It's true. I know his wife too.

antiskeptic

pleas advice wrote: »

surely theres some issue with not delivering mail, I presume if they were addressed, like election flyers are, they'd have to be delivered?

Not that many years ago, a (ok potential) death sentence attached to interfering with the delivery of mail.

Coillte_Bhoy

January wrote: »

I know the wife of the postman. I'm glad he took a stand the union and eventually an post supported his decision not to deliver anti choice lies on principal.

I handed the no leaflet back to my own postman told him I didn't want it. He said he didn't either.

Why would you do that? Giving the postman grief? You think you are making some kind of statement? Woooh for you. :rolleyes:Why not just bin it or post it back to the pro lifers or An Post management?

antiskeptic

eviltwin wrote: »

It's true. I know his wife too.

Hopefully he's near retirement. That level of unionism isn't long for this earth.

gctest50

antiskeptic wrote: »

Not that many years ago, a (ok potential) death sentence attached to interfering with the delivery of mail.

Unaddressed mail is junk mail, not actual mail

Hotblack Desiato

Fizzlesque wrote: »

my 76 year old father

Sorry, I got carried away with the adoption thing.

My 83 year old mother in law, who is a frequent mass goer, is voting Yes and has convinced several of her friends to vote Yes.

Let's not forget that even in 1983 33% of votes were No to the 8th. These people are all over 53 now and are unlikely to vote for the 8th now. In Dublin it was 51:49 so 49% of people in Dublin who are over 53 and who voted in 1983 voted against the 8th then, in spite of all the harassment and propaganda and bullying of the catholic church in its pomp, Youth Defence and IRA thugs beating up people.

antiskeptic

erica74 wrote: »

One of the No side posts this same thing every day... ugly truth, moral compass, the Jews, toddler argument...

It's a counter to the "life in the womb isn't worth a beermat" way of thinking.

It's an important referendum, it's good that we aren't let forget that from time to time.

Uncharted

antiskeptic wrote: »

Outdated canvassing methods. Outdated for you but not for others.

Election posters are not outdated???
Are you being serious or are you picking arguments for fun on this thread?

Election posters pre-date Daniel O Connells time ffs!!! They've been used for almost 200 years in this country.... wake up. If you're going for full on machismo in every post,educate yourself first...

antiskeptic

gctest50 wrote: »

Unaddressed mail is junk mail, not actual mail

Like I said, that level of unionism isn't long for this earth. Think an Amazon packer could tow that line?

January

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Why would you do that? Giving the postman grief? You think you are making some kind of statement? Woooh for you. :rolleyes:Why not just bin it or post it back to the pro lifers or An Post management?

I didn't give anybody any grief thanks. He knocked because he had a parcel handed me the no and yes flyers with the parcel I asked if I could return the no one because I didn't want it and he took it back and said yeah you can but I don't want it either. End of conversation and he went on his merry way to deliver them to the rest of the estate.