Galway GAA discussion thread

danganabu · 16-05-2018 04:34PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

What odds are Galway for the double?
Certainly on the cards after the weekend!

After just a quick look on a few of the top sites (oddschecker is no longer of any use at all) the biggest I can see is just a little over 40/1 with B365 and to be honest that is no value at all, I would have them almost as big as that for the football alone, 20's at an absolute minimum and that would mean you are getting <even money on the hurlers.

FlacidBiscuit · 16-05-2018 10:07PM

Thoughts on the club matches in Galway this weekend?

Hulk Hands · 17-05-2018 03:45AM

danganabu wrote: »

After just a quick look on a few of the top sites (oddschecker is no longer of any use at all) the biggest I can see is just a little over 40/1 with B365 and to be honest that is no value at all, I would have them almost as big as that for the football alone, 20's at an absolute minimum and that would mean you are getting <even money on the hurlers.

You'd have them almost as big as 40s for the football? When they're at the very biggest about 1/5 to make the super 8s? Taking up less than 3% of your book? What price are you on the rest of the top 6/7 briefly, out of interest?

danganabu · 17-05-2018 10:06AM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

You'd have them almost as big as 40s for the football? When they're at the very biggest about 1/5 to make the super 8s? Taking up less than 3% of your book? What price are you on the rest of the top 6/7 briefly, out of interest?

there is always one who will get offended about someone offering a diferent view on their precious little county........bless

Dublin 8/13
Kerry 6/1
Mayo 8/1
Tyrone 16/1
Donegal 20/1
33/1 Bar

That book gives you an overround of >115% so plenty of juice in it and loads of money to be made from lads betting with the heart over the head.

jr86 · 17-05-2018 11:00AM

I don't care if they were 1/100 to make the Super 8s but from there they would potentially have to:

a) Win their first game in Croke Park in championship in 17 years. And then potentially 3 others in the same venue.
b) Beat a team who are going for 4 all Irelands in a row and have just beaten this Galway team without really going at full pelt

That's not to mention they'd also have to potentially beat seasoned August/September teams in kerry and/or mayo, the latter who are a far better side in August

getting to the Super 8s is fine, there's still a long, long way to go to win the All Ireland

They may as well be 40/1 or longer as they haven't a hope of winning an All Ireland imo

BENDYBINN · 17-05-2018 02:24PM

jr86 wrote: »

I don't care if they were 1/100 to make the Super 8s but from there they would potentially have to:

a) Win their first game in Croke Park in championship in 17 years. And then potentially 3 others in the same venue.
b) Beat a team who are going for 4 all Irelands in a row and have just beaten this Galway team without really going at full pelt

That's not to mention they'd also have to potentially beat seasoned August/September teams in kerry and/or mayo, the latter who are a far better side in August

getting to the Super 8s is fine, there's still a long, long way to go to win the All Ireland

They may as well be 40/1 or longer as they haven't a hope of winning an All Ireland imo

Given that they have beaten Mayo three years in a row now, it’s a little bit of
begrudgery to suggest they haven’t a hope of winning the all Ireland
So much potential in that Galway team

jr86 · 17-05-2018 02:38PM

haha saying a team who hasnt even made a semi-final in 17 years won't win an All Ireland is begrudgery...

Win a game in Croke Park first and then we can start talking potential All Irelands in the next few years, until then I'll go with Dublin as pretty much nailed on as you can get, with Kerry, mayo and Tyrone the teams with the outside chances and I'll begrudge the rest of Ireland so

Mr Velo · 17-05-2018 03:03PM

jr86 wrote: »

haha saying a team who hasnt even made a semi-final in 17 years won't win an All Ireland is begrudgery...

Win a game in Croke Park first and then we can start talking potential All Irelands in the next few years, until then I'll go with Dublin as pretty much nailed on as you can get, with Kerry, mayo and Tyrone the teams with the outside chances and I'll begrudge the rest of Ireland so

Why don't you stick to the Mayo thread Jr86?

Hulk Hands · 17-05-2018 03:06PM

danganabu wrote: »

there is always one who will get offended about someone offering a diferent view on their precious little county........bless

Dublin 8/13
Kerry 6/1
Mayo 8/1
Tyrone 16/1
Donegal 20/1
33/1 Bar

That book gives you an overround of >115% so plenty of juice in it and loads of money to be made from lads betting with the heart over the head.

No I get annoyed about people talking like an expert about gambling when they haven't a breeze. You'd be 8/1 on Mayo and yet 33s+ on Galway? Mayo can be backed at 11/8 to reach the super 8s and Galway by any metric are at most 1/5. What price would ya be Mayo v Galway in a Super 8s match?

By the way your little book there is an overround of 97% on the counties named. Perhaps take a little more time with the calculator, or as I suspect, learn the fundamentals to begin with

flatty · 17-05-2018 03:29PM

Mr Velo wrote: »

jr86 wrote: »

haha saying a team who hasnt even made a semi-final in 17 years won't win an All Ireland is begrudgery...

Win a game in Croke Park first and then we can start talking potential All Irelands in the next few years, until then I'll go with Dublin as pretty much nailed on as you can get, with Kerry, mayo and Tyrone the teams with the outside chances and I'll begrudge the rest of Ireland so

Why don't you stick to the Mayo thread Jr86?

He's dead right though. Galway are a fine side, but it would be an amazing feat for them to win an aif. The route there is tortuous, and suits the largest squads. I am delighted to follow this galway football team, delighted and proud, but I don't think they'll challenge for the aif this year quite.

Fr Tod Umptious · 17-05-2018 03:34PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

What odds are Galway for the double?
Certainly on the cards after the weekend!

The footballers beat Mayo in May, by an injury time goal, a man up for over half the game, with one of Mayos best players carted off and a recent POTY in street clothes.

And you are claiming that winning an all Ireland is "certainly on the cards"

What utter dillusion, keep it coming, it's very entertaining.

Mr Velo · 17-05-2018 03:41PM

flatty wrote: »

He's dead right though. Galway are a fine side, but it would be an amazing feat for them to win an aif. The route there is tortuous, and suits the largest squads. I am delighted to follow this galway football team, delighted and proud, but I don't think they'll challenge for the aif this year quite.

Fully agree.

Diabhal Beag · 17-05-2018 03:42PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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The footballers beat Mayo in May, by an injury time goal, a man up for over half the game, with one of Mayos best players carted off and a recent POTY in street clothes.

Lots of excuses and whinging here. You forgot to mention that Mayo were **** too.

spurshero · 17-05-2018 03:48PM

Whilst I think it is highly unlikely Galway to win football this year as much as I would like to see it it would be some crack the reaction in mayo after they pissing the bed last 5 years . They can talk about this great mayo team all they want but they won’t be seen as great outside of Mayo without an all Ireland or two . Like the Waterford hurlers 10 years or so they will be remembered as nearly men

Fr Tod Umptious · 17-05-2018 03:51PM

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Lots of excuses and whinging here. You forgot to mention that Mayo were **** too.

Yep that too.

Utopia Parkway · 17-05-2018 03:55PM

jr86 wrote: »

haha saying a team who hasnt even made a semi-final in 17 years won't win an All Ireland is begrudgery...

Win a game in Croke Park first and then we can start talking potential All Irelands in the next few years, until then I'll go with Dublin as pretty much nailed on as you can get, with Kerry, mayo and Tyrone the teams with the outside chances and I'll begrudge the rest of Ireland so

I'm never quite sure why Tyrone are perpertually considered All-Ireland contenders. This isn't the Tyrone of the noughties. They are a decent side definitely but don't see what they have done to be considered contenders. If Tyrone are contenders then both Galway and Monaghan have to be because both might be better sides than Tyrone. Maybe they will blow Monaghan away on the weekend but I have to see something from them first to believe in them.

Kerry too are pretty much there on name value alone because they have an awful lot of young players to incorporate. Maybe they will hit the ground running immediately but I can't see them as contenders yet just because they are Kerry.

danganabu · 17-05-2018 03:59PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

No I get annoyed about people talking like an expert about gambling when they haven't a breeze. You'd be 8/1 on Mayo and yet 33s+ on Galway? Mayo can be backed at 11/8 to reach the super 8s and Galway by any metric are at most 1/5. What price would ya be Mayo v Galway in a Super 8s match?

By the way your little book there is an overround of 97% on the counties named. Perhaps take a little more time with the calculator, or as I suspect, learn the fundamentals to begin with

97.95% to be accurate but as I'm sure you, as a betting expert, have figured out the list only includes the top 5 in the market. I have added the % from the remainder of the book to provide the overround of >115%.

Personally I wouldnt touch them at 1/5 to qualify for the super 8's, they are propably about a 4/7 shot to win connaught but if they lose to either Sligo or Roscomon there aren't too many teams in the last round of the qualifiers I would fancy them off the back of a provincial defeat against a team on the back of at least one win. There will be some very good teams in that qualifier pot.

danganabu · 17-05-2018 04:03PM

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Lots of excuses and whinging here. You forgot to mention that Mayo were **** too.

Surely the fact that Mayo were so bad adds further creedance to the arguement that Galway are not anywhere near the required level yet. The game I watched was very much in the balance with a few minutes to go.

BENDYBINN · 17-05-2018 04:18PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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The footballers beat Mayo in May, by an injury time goal, a man up for over half the game, with one of Mayos best players carted off and a recent POTY in street clothes.

And you are claiming that winning an all Ireland is "certainly on the cards"

What utter dillusion, keep it coming, it's very entertaining.

Galway have beaten Mayo five times in a row now.........I’m sure you’ll agree they just got lucky!

elefant · 17-05-2018 04:22PM

I love all the sages dropping into the Galway thread now explaining to us simpletons how unlikely it is that Galway will win the All-Ireland football championship this year, complete with helpful reminders that we haven't won in Croke Park in the championship in an eternity.

We've had a win against our biggest rivals in the first round, not fallen on our heads. Still, I'm sure tribesmen everywhere appreciate your objectivity keeping all expectations in check.

One game at a time, we've had a decent start with the first 9.

danganabu · 17-05-2018 04:33PM

elefant wrote: »

I love all the sages dropping into the Galway thread now explaining to us simpletons how unlikely it is that Galway will win the All-Ireland football championship this year, complete with helpful reminders that we haven't won in Croke Park in the championship in an eternity.

We've had a win against our biggest rivals in the first round, not fallen on our heads. Still, I'm sure tribesmen everywhere appreciate your objectivity keeping all expectations in check.

One game at a time, we've had a decent start with the first 9.

I simply answered a question that was asked on the probability of Galway winning the double, not sure what your problem is or why you are getting so defensive, its an opinion take it or leave it simples!

And plenty of posters from Galway ( simpletons as you referred to them, and yourself, as rather eloquently) have agreed with the view that the chances of Galways footballers winning Sam are minimal at best.

Diabhal Beag · 17-05-2018 04:40PM

danganabu wrote: »

Surely the fact that Mayo were so bad adds further creedance to the arguement that Galway are not anywhere near the required level yet. The game I watched was very much in the balance with a few minutes to go.

No team is close to Dublin. Tyrone/Kerry/etc all miles behind.

Galway years off being proper contenders.

elefant · 17-05-2018 04:43PM

danganabu wrote: »

And plenty of posters from Galway ( simpletons as you referred to them, and yourself, as rather eloquently) have agreed with the view that the chances of Galways footballers winning Sam are minimal at best.

This is the point I'm making too. Perhaps I wasn't eloquent enough.

BENDYBINN · 17-05-2018 04:48PM

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

No team is close to Dublin. Tyrone/Kerry/etc all miles behind.

Galway years off being proper contenders.

An average Mayo team went very close to beating Dublin the last two yrs.
To suggest Galway have no chance is illogical at the very least.

Utopia Parkway · 17-05-2018 04:49PM

danganabu wrote: »

Surely the fact that Mayo were so bad adds further creedance to the arguement that Galway are not anywhere near the required level yet. The game I watched was very much in the balance with a few minutes to go.

I'm not sure Mayo were bad or just made to look bad. The last 3 Galway v Mayo games have all looked very similar to last Sunday. Last 5 if you include the league and FBD games.

Galway's style doesn't seem to lend itself to looking impressive. They tend to grind out wins rather than blow teams away although they definitely have the forwards to run up big scores if given the opportunity to do so.

djPSB · 17-05-2018 05:37PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

No I get annoyed about people talking like an expert about gambling when they haven't a breeze. You'd be 8/1 on Mayo and yet 33s+ on Galway? Mayo can be backed at 11/8 to reach the super 8s and Galway by any metric are at most 1/5. What price would ya be Mayo v Galway in a Super 8s match?

By the way your little book there is an overround of 97% on the counties named. Perhaps take a little more time with the calculator, or as I suspect, learn the fundamentals to begin with

Ultimately, if you backed Mayo to win the All Ireland every year for the past 66 years, you would have lost every year.

Diabhal Beag · 17-05-2018 05:38PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

An average Mayo team went very close to beating Dublin the last two yrs.
To suggest Galway have no chance is illogical at the very least.

That Mayo team has been regularly in All-Ireland finals since 2012 in all fairness whereas we're yet to win a championship game in Croker since 2001. That can't be overlooked because we've peaked in Connacht and out on a whimper shortly after far too often.

I'm not seeing this panel is useless by any means but we've been in this exact position before in the last 2 years and it hasn't ended well. We have great potential to challenge for All-Irelands in a couple of years but even winning a Connacht title means little if you can't get to an All-Ireland semi.

danganabu · 17-05-2018 05:45PM

elefant wrote: »

This is the point I'm making too. Perhaps I wasn't eloquent enough.

Perhaps if you left out the insults and the attempted sarcasm you might have more success.

danganabu · 17-05-2018 05:46PM

djPSB wrote: »

Ultimately, if you backed Mayo to win the All Ireland every year for the past 66 years, you would have lost every year.

The have been an excellent e/w bet for a number of years now and delivered more often than not.

danganabu · 17-05-2018 05:47PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

I'm not sure Mayo were bad or just made to look bad. The last 3 Galway v Mayo games have all looked very similar to last Sunday. Last 5 if you include the league and FBD games.

Galway's style doesn't seem to lend itself to looking impressive. They tend to grind out wins rather than blow teams away although they definitely have the forwards to run up big scores if given the opportunity to do so.

Fair point, but it is also beyond doubt that Mayo in spring and Mayo in summer are two very different animals - well at leasrt have been, the question remains this year as to have they gone to the well too many times.

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