8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

KaneToad · 14-05-2018 11:05PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I wish I hadn’t watched it. So frustrating. Just lies and mistruths all over.
Absolutely shameful, biased debate.

All over? Or just the side you disagree with?

Larbre34 · 14-05-2018 11:05PM

TL17 wrote: »

Undecided no longer. Nos have me persuaded tonight

Good man / woman

Let your morality be imposed on everyone else in every case.

Not mentioned tonight - would you have a 13 year old girl, pregnant as a result of incest or some other violation carry the child to term or travel to the UK to avail of appropriate care?

Voting No means you do.

No objector will EVER EVER EVER, be forced to undergo an abortion.

SusieBlue · 14-05-2018 11:05PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It is not a cop out, listen to the different doctors, they differ on opinion, and it seems the Yes doctors are far more conservative with providing treatment than No doctors are.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/retired-doctor-says-8th-amendment-did-not-stop-him-carrying-out-abortion-1.3457341?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fretired-doctor-says-8th-amendment-did-not-stop-him-carrying-out-abortion-1.3457341

Robert, you aren’t listening. The cells are in my cervix. Right next to where the baby lives.
The laser can kill or maim the baby.
No doctor will touch me. This is an absolute fact.

I thought you were concerned seeing as you were so outraged at the smear scandal last week but obviously not.
You’ve just proved you’re a hypocrite and you can no longer say that the 8th doesn’t effect women’s healthcare when I’ve just proved to you it does.

14-05-2018 11:06PM

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Found the hooping and hollering from the crowd really distasteful. That horrible Goul from the Iona institute really playing to the mob.

she gets wheeld out every time someone demands a human right...a right to make a choice on abortion, a right to marry a same sex partner..etc etc ad nauseum..

Ave Sodalis · 14-05-2018 11:06PM

doylefe wrote: »

Who's going to pay all these taxes in the future with all these abortions?

It has been pointed out numerous times before, but making abortion legal or illegal does not change the number of abortions a country has.

applehunter · 14-05-2018 11:06PM

Time for Simon Harris to come out and debate now.

14-05-2018 11:06PM

doylefe wrote: »

Who's going to pay all these taxes in the future with all these abortions?

which taxes?
for what exactly?
you do know abortion is free in Ireland at the moment, all maternity services are.

RobAMerc · 14-05-2018 11:07PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Claire Byrne afraid of her sh1te of the anti choicers

Have to say, this is shocking. The No side was left run riot here tonight, being allowed to ignore questions they were asked and given the freedom to spread untruths, fear and panic

The "Hello Gay Marriage, good bye Daddy" has nothing on this debate.

I am as of now a confirmed Yes voter.

RobertKK · 14-05-2018 11:07PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Robert, you aren’t listening. The cells are in my cervix. Right next to where the baby lives.
The laser can kill or maim the baby.
No doctor will touch me. This is an absolute fact.

I thought you were concerned seeing as you were so outraged at the smear scandal last week but obviously not.
You’ve just proved you’re a hypocrite and you can no longer say that the 8th doesn’t effect women’s healthcare when I’ve just proved to you it does.

Yes and the 8th doesn't stop a woman getting life saving treatment, a doctor can as doctors differ and patients die as the saying goes...

dark crystal · 14-05-2018 11:07PM

KaneToad wrote: »

I'd say it was close enough.

It was harder, I assume, to guage which audience member was Yes or No. Producers in her ear would have told Claire which panel member to hit to ensure the overall Yes/No speaking time would have been maintained.

Overall it seemed to me that both sides got equal time.

I would bet my life savings they did not. No one on any side of the fence could say with a serious face both sides got equal speaking time tonight.

Lackey · 14-05-2018 11:07PM

KaneToad wrote: »

I'd say it was close enough.

It was harder, I assume, to guage which audience member was Yes or No. Producers in her ear would have told Claire which panel member to hit to ensure the overall Yes/No speaking time would have been maintained.

Overall it seemed to me that both sides got equal time.

I would like to see actual times allocated to each side.

P_1 · 14-05-2018 11:07PM

Have to say that I'm fearing for the result after that debate. Like it or not, it's going to be the most recent vivid argument the undecided voters have to remember when going to the polls. Very little attention was given to the facts, the stupid emotive Helen Lovejoy argument was deployed completely unchallenged and disinformation was cast about with abandon. Frankly the debate was a farcical shambles, you'd get more decorum at a Healy Rae sponsored GAA awards night after a 10 pint bender.

Sam Quentin · 14-05-2018 11:07PM

Who's yir one in the red jumper? I'm voting for whatever she's NOT voting for.

neonsofa · 14-05-2018 11:08PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

The go was wrong ? Lol

If it's so laughable for a gp to be wrong then why are you so dismissive of the GPs advocating for a yes vote and explaining how the 8th impacts on women's care? And the development stages of a fetus. Surely they too must be correct in what they're saying? Or is it only no voting GPs that are always correct?

SusieBlue · 14-05-2018 11:08PM

KaneToad wrote: »

All over? Or just the side you disagree with?

From the No side.
Fighting so hard for their right to control and restrict my maternity care.

They don’t know what’s good for me. I know what’s good for me. I genuinely don’t know how they sleep at night.

I’m so disappointed.

The Talking Bread · 14-05-2018 11:08PM

rusty cole wrote: »

very funny the No side hissing when Miss IONA 92 is called a liar and yet not a peep when that tool mattie mcgrath shouts LIES, LIES LIES!!

also the young no doctor says, I wont refer" so he'll refuse?? refuse the woman??then quotes two medical ethical no intentional harm rules and glosses over a hippocratic oath of any sort.

the psycho bunny boiler eyes on that IONA clause , if some scrote raped her in the morning, bull **** would she carry to term, lies!!!!

The only thing I;d like to peel and then re-peel would be claire byrnes clobber..jasus she's a cracker...

Absolutely no need for that tone to make your point.

bloodless_coup · 14-05-2018 11:09PM

bubblypop wrote: »

which taxes?
for what exactly?

For your pension

Diabhal Beag · 14-05-2018 11:09PM

How people can laugh or boo over such a serious debate regardless of what side their own is absolutely head-wrecking. It's not a points-scoring contest ffs.

Larbre34 · 14-05-2018 11:09PM

Vincent Vega wrote: »

Just missed Claire Byrne, and I see people here complaining about it being one sided and biased etc.
What I wanna know though is it still worth the watch when its up on RTE player?

Wait for Pat Kenny later in the week, bound to be a much better organised affair...

Ave Sodalis · 14-05-2018 11:10PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes and the 8th doesn't stop a woman getting life saving treatment, a doctor can as doctors differ and patients die as the saying goes...

How many times must you be told this is not true? How many examples do you need before you realise this is not true?

SusieBlue · 14-05-2018 11:10PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes and the 8th doesn't stop a woman getting life saving treatment, a doctor can as doctors differ and patients die as the saying goes...

I shouldn’t have to allow the prognosis develop into cancer before being offered a termination to continue treatment.
That’s the point you keep missing.

Larbre34 · 14-05-2018 11:11PM

applehunter wrote: »

Time for Simon Harris to come out and debate now.

No chance. After the cervical check scandal (more abuse of womens due healthcare) you wont see a cabinet member for dust until the 26th

jk23 · 14-05-2018 11:12PM

splinter65 wrote: »

No polling cards here yet.

The postmen have all this week to deliver them and they must be delivered.

KaneToad · 14-05-2018 11:12PM

applehunter wrote: »

Mary Lou kept the YES side in it.

Boylan to be dropped for the next game.

No side won the first half. Mainly due to Brid Smith own goal. Yes side upped it in the second half with some good interplay with Mary Lou and sundry rational audience members. Steen, however, played a blinder. She was pulling all the strings for the No camp. Despite being Iona she doesn't have the bang of the God squad off her. Final result, in my opinion, was 3-2 win for No side.

Thankfully it wasn't the final. Hopefully a few more fixtures yet to play. Preferably behind closed doors with no fans present.

14-05-2018 11:12PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Absolutely no need for that tone to make your point.

oh sorry, do you find hard cases offensive!!! cos that happens every day!!

vicwatson · 14-05-2018 11:13PM

KaneToad wrote: »

I don't agree.

The No side performed (and it was a performance) better than the Yes side. Perhaps your disappointment at the Yes side performance is clouding your judgement.

You don't agree? Well that's your choice

Nice to have choice init

?

14-05-2018 11:13PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes and the 8th doesn't stop a woman getting life saving treatment, a doctor can as doctors differ and patients die as the saying goes...

so, you actually believe that i should be DYING before i get medical treatment if I am pregnant???

KaneToad · 14-05-2018 11:14PM

Lackey wrote: »

I would like to see actual times allocated to each side.

It would be interesting to see alright. I would imagine there are "enthusiasts" replaying it as ,we speak, with stopwatch in hand.

FrancieBrady · 14-05-2018 11:14PM

I think the Yes side made the reasonable and non scaremongering points. Same as in the same sex marriage debate, I think the electorate will come through on this and banish these people for once and for all.

Debate was managed appallingly by RTE and Claire. She is better than that normally and I suspect she is a No voter who couldn't help giving the floor to that side.

Dressing gown · 14-05-2018 11:14PM

You know what that wasn’t a debate it was no campaign airtime.

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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