8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

B0jangles · 10-05-2018 06:52PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Well then, you don't wish any debate at all, you want an echo chamber, which isn't far off what this thread has turned into anyway.

Have you been following this thread and the previous one?

If not, you might not be aware of Robert's very long-running modus operandi. Whatever benefit of the doubt he was entitled to ran out a very long time ago - people are understandably tired of refuting the same handful of points he raises with almost clockwork predictability.

No-one wants an echo chamber - a debate based on facts rather than scaremongering and misrepresentation would be wonderful. Whether that will ever happen is quite doubtful.

NuMarvel · 10-05-2018 06:53PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Well then, you don't wish any debate at all, you want an echo chamber, which isn't far off what this thread has turned into anyway.

I for one would love a proper debate. Where someone on the No side sets out a rational, coherent, and logical argument for voting No. Has cogent counterargument sand rebuttals.

But after 2.5 threads and 25000 posts (and that's just on AH), it looks like all we get is soapboxing, evasion, and variants on "think of the little babies/abortion is murder".

And yet you think it's Yes posters than are the problem.

pjohnson · 10-05-2018 06:54PM

Ah in the defence of the prolife side (not mentioning anyone in particular) if you took away the lies and scaremongering what else would they have other than "NO"? Going by these threads anyway and McGuirks hilarious meltdown on TodayFM yesterday.

erica74 · 10-05-2018 06:57PM

Yeah the Yes side are just awful with their facts and whatnot, down with that sort of thing.

If you've been through the 3 threads related to the referendum, you'll have grown tiresome of the same posters reducing women to mere vessels within which we are to grow all of these babies which they have absolutely zero interest in.

Tom Mann Centuria · 10-05-2018 06:59PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

No, we don't want an echo chamber, we want an honest and open debate which the pro-life side (bar a minute handful) have waded in with lies, trolling, flaming, baiting.

It's not our fault they haven't stepped up and admitted the lies are lies and can discuss their opinion without being complete and utter tools.

Well, unfortunately reading the last several pages does nothing to backup that position at all, and it is an echo chamber, and there is baiting posts and there is abusive posts but apparently all bets are off and all is forgiven because its an emotive subject. I hope the vote goes your way on the 25th but I absolutely stand by my opinion that this thread is a disgrace.

All the best.

ohnonotgmail · 10-05-2018 07:04PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Well, unfortunately reading the last several pages does nothing to backup that position at all, and it is an echo chamber, and there is baiting posts and there is abusive posts but apparently all bets are off and all is forgiven because its an emotive subject. I hope the vote goes your way on the 25th but I absolutely stand by my opinion that this thread is a disgrace.

All the best.

If you have only read the last few pages then you have no idea of the repeated lies and trolling from the No side. 20000+ posts over 3 thread. Any respect due to posters goes out the window when they just rabbit the same lies again and again.

_Dara_ · 10-05-2018 07:04PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Well, unfortunately reading the last several pages does nothing to backup that position at all, and it is an echo chamber, and there is baiting posts and there is abusive posts but apparently all bets are off and all is forgiven because its an emotive subject. I hope the vote goes your way on the 25th but I absolutely stand by my opinion that this thread is a disgrace.

All the best.

Helicopter posting at its finest.

ohnonotgmail · 10-05-2018 07:05PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Helicopter posting at its finest.

The people who have thanked his posts tell you all you need to know about the quality of the posts.

Tom Mann Centuria · 10-05-2018 07:06PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Helicopter posting at its finest.

What other language would you you like me to say it in, or will I Youtube an interpretive dance version. Let me know know what's allowed and what isn't won't you, didn't get the rules you've posted.

Wrongway1985 · 10-05-2018 07:06PM

erica74 wrote: »

you'll have grown tiresome of the same posters reducing women to mere vessels within which we are to grow all of these babies which they have absolutely zero interest in.

Not to mention amongst Bobs multitude of nonsensical reasons not to vote Yes was that it was the "establishment vote", the sheer audacity to logically apply that over actual issues the 8th inhibits.

The girls story on drivetime this evening was absolutely heartbreaking, shameful our country puts up with that

, hopefully not much longer.

Tom Mann Centuria · 10-05-2018 07:07PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The people who have thanked his posts tell you all you need to know about the quality of the posts.

Jump on lads, certainly not backing up my point at all.

_Dara_ · 10-05-2018 07:07PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

What other language would you you like me to say it in, or will I Youtube an interpretive dance version. Let me know know what's allowed and what isn't won't you, didn't get the rules you've posted.

Such dramatics. My word.

Moiratat · 10-05-2018 07:09PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I gave an answer I remember to a person who said I hadn't answered your question, maybe it was not the answer you wanted, but this is a fast moving thread and things get missed.
But you imply in this case, the question was not answer.

I asked you what you would do in my position then, you then didn't answer, a couple of posters quoted my post asking you to answer it and instead you spoke about someone else's situation.

Sofiztikated · 10-05-2018 07:09PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

What other language would you you like me to say it in, or will I Youtube an interpretive dance version. Let me know know what's allowed and what isn't won't you, didn't get the rules you've posted.

So what do you think about the 8th Amendment?

ohnonotgmail · 10-05-2018 07:09PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Jump on lads, certainly not backing up my point at all.

how do you think you deserve respect when you come into a month old thread and think you have things worked out after reading a few pages?

Tom Mann Centuria · 10-05-2018 07:10PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Such dramatics. My word.

No interpretive dance, it's a different form of performance art.

Tom Mann Centuria · 10-05-2018 07:11PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

So what do you think about the 8th Amendment?

I have said already, I think it should be repealed.

_Dara_ · 10-05-2018 07:11PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

No interpretive dance, it's a different form of performance art.

Many people responded to you with cogent answers. Your response to those posts: "See ya!".

So yeah, helicopter posting. Quality stuff. Well done.

Sofiztikated · 10-05-2018 07:13PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

I have said already, I think it should be repealed.

Coolo.

Any thoughts on the campaigns so far, barring what has been seen here over a few pages?

Tom Mann Centuria · 10-05-2018 07:17PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how do you think you deserve respect when you come into a month old thread and think you have things worked out after reading a few pages?

Respect? Haha, okay. I don't want or need respect, thanks though. I think the rules should be the same for everybody on boards, for every post, not just the majority opinion. I've no desire to wade through any more than the hundred or so posts I've read.

So you don't respect my opinion that's fine, just as I don't respect the tactics I've seen here.

pitifulgod · 10-05-2018 07:17PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

No interpretive dance, it's a different form of performance art.

There are certain posters who have absolutely abandoned discussion in this thread. They have failed to back anything up. They dump links and get outraged then when confronted with facts, tend to ignore them. They've abandoned any pretense of discussion. They're not generally the pro repeal crowd either.

B0jangles · 10-05-2018 07:17PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Well, unfortunately reading the last several pages does nothing to backup that position at all, and it is an echo chamber, and there is baiting posts and there is abusive posts but apparently all bets are off and all is forgiven because its an emotive subject. I hope the vote goes your way on the 25th but I absolutely stand by my opinion that this thread is a disgrace.

All the best.

So you've read a few pages (!?) of this thread and you've already decided it's a disgrace because people have lost patience with a few posters?

Would you, for example, watch the last 5 seconds of a game of rugby and feel qualified to comment on the whole game or would that be a bit ridiculous?

Boulevardier · 10-05-2018 07:18PM

I recently saw a tweet from a woman undergoing chemo. She said that before each round of chemo starts she must have a pregnancy test, and if it is positive then she does not get the chemo. If she refuses to take the test, then again, no treatment.

I was appalled at this. Is it applied to all women of child-bearing age, and if so, is this situation due to the 8th amendment?

I have had misgivings on aspects of this referendum, buy if the answer to the above is yes, then there goes any chance of my voting no.

Tom Mann Centuria · 10-05-2018 07:19PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Many people responded to you with cogent answers. Your response to those posts: "See ya!".

So yeah, helicopter posting. Quality stuff. Well done.

Because I've no desire to be piled upon for having an opinion and I was unaware there was a minimum post requirement that you've decided.

Moiratat · 10-05-2018 07:20PM

This thread is becoming increasingly upsetting for me, every time I try and ask someone on the no side for their opinion on what they would have done, it is simply ignored each time.
Then they complain about a lack of respect, I have not been the least bit disrespectful to anyone in this thread.
Ignoring people isn't respectful, the one answer I received was someone saying my story didn't make sense, how is that respectful to anyone?!

Every time I pose this question to someone it nearly brings me to tears and to be simply ignored is deeply insulting.

Tom Mann Centuria · 10-05-2018 07:21PM

B0jangles wrote: »

So you've read a few pages (!?) of this thread and you've already decided it's a disgrace because people have lost patience with a few posters?

Would you, for example, watch the last 5 seconds of a game of rugby and feel qualified to comment on the whole game or would that be a bit ridiculous?

If I see someone punched in the face the last five seconds I know someone has been punched in the face. What gone on before it may explain it, but the punishment would be the same.

B0jangles · 10-05-2018 07:23PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

If I see someone punched in the face the last five seconds I know someone has been punched in the face. What gone on before it may explain it, but the punishment would be the same.

So context is meaningless, provocation irrelevant, and being spoken to roughly on a messageboard is as bad as being punched in the face.

Right so.

_Dara_ · 10-05-2018 07:25PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Because I've no desire to be piled upon for having an opinion and I was unaware there was a minimum post requirement that you've decided.

What is with the victimhood complex? Why bother interacting with a thread if you don’t have the cojones to actually engage with people? Just anticipate what might happen. As said, there are pro-life contributors here who put across their points well. And there have been pro-choice users threadbanned. But by parachuting into the thread, you wouldn’t know that.

NuMarvel · 10-05-2018 07:27PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Respect? Haha, okay. I don't want or need respect, thanks though. I think the rules should be the same for everybody on boards, for every post, not just the majority opinion. I've no desire to wade through any more than the hundred or so posts I've read.

So you don't respect my opinion that's fine, just as I don't respect the tactics I've seen here.

If you think posts have broken the rules, then report them.

Now do you have anything constructive to add, or shall we just leave it at you're forming an opinion on a very small sample size and have no interest in learning more that might change your mind?

Tom Mann Centuria · 10-05-2018 07:27PM

B0jangles wrote: »

So context is meaningless, provocation irrelevant, and being spoken to roughly on a messageboard is as bad as being punched in the face.

Right so.

The sport metaphor was yours, not mine.
I would want rules to be applied fairly to both, now, just going to check I've reached the correct number of the posts before I try and leave again. And again, I hope the Yes side are successful.

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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