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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #2972
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The posters who are thanking but never commenting, are thread-banned.


  • #2973
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

    I'm idly curious I have to say - there's a poster who isn't commenting but who thanks EVERY single "No" post, even the dodgy one, but doesn't comment.

    I'm not delving of course, not my place but I am curious!!

    Probably thread-banned from previous threads so they can read/thank posts but not contribute more than that.


  • #2974
    Simi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭Simi


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I'm expecting no in most non urban centres.
    Cork, Galway, Dublin and the GDA will probably vote yes. But.... they need to win by 60:40 to cover the rest of the rural vote. My vote is in the GDA but not dublin.

    At this point, it's looking like it's going to be more akin to the divorce referendum than the ssm referendum. A sea of red with Dublin and a few surrounding counties pulling it over the line.


  • #2975
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,108 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Simi wrote: »
    At this point, it's looking like it's going to be more akin to the divorce referendum than the ssm referendum. A sea of red with Dublin and a few surrounding counties pulling it over the line.
    Yes that's what I and some others were theorising all along.
    I believe a 5 point spread in favour of yes (eg 52.5-47.5) overall, with less than 10 constituencies voting yes, is probably the likely outcome.

    I'd put money on it but it's really too important an issue for that.


  • #2976
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I'm expecting no in most non urban centres.
    Cork, Galway, Dublin and the GDA will probably vote yes. But.... they need to win by 60:40 to cover the rest of the rural vote. My vote is in the GDA but not dublin.

    Mine is in a rural area but they all count.


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  • #2977
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    seamus wrote: »
    The posters who are thanking but never commenting, are thread-banned.

    Oh thanks!!! I didn't know! I thought it was odd!!!!


  • #2978
    erica74
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭erica74


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Lads - I know there's a certain poster that is seemingly getting under your skin, but try not resort to name-calling, it'll only serve the purpose of getting some good pro-choice posters threadbanned/getting the thread locked which would be detrimental to the discussion and paint us in a negative light by taking the bait/letting it get to us.

    I was thinking the same thing.
    seamus wrote: »
    The posters who are thanking but never commenting, are thread-banned.

    If they're thread-banned, shouldn't there be further action by mods for interacting with the thread? Just genuinely wondering.


  • #2979
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Good advice Rob!

    I'm idly curious I have to say - there's a poster who isn't commenting but who thanks EVERY single "No" post, even the dodgy one, but doesn't comment.

    I'm not delving of course, not my place but I am curious!!

    nm beaten to it


  • #2980
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,108 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Mine is in a rural area but they all count.
    Yep it's a national poll, so a yes vote in Gaoith Domhair has the same impact as a yes vote in Dublin South Central :)


  • #2981
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    erica74 wrote: »
    If they're thread-banned, shouldn't there be further action by mods for interacting with the thread? Just genuinely wondering.

    Ah, I think it’s fine. It’s pretty impotent anyway.


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  • #2982
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    I'm idly curious I have to say - there's a poster who isn't commenting but who thanks EVERY single "No" post, even the dodgy one, but doesn't comment.

    Strikes me as a bit OCD, tbh, but has the ability to spot when a poster who is only askin' sittin' on a fence is really a No poster in disguise and always thanks them.

    Kind of gives the game away.


  • #2983
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,637 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Yep it's a national poll, so a yes vote in Gaoith Domhair has the same impact as a yes vote in Dublin South Central :)

    It's why we're pushing hard here in extreme west kerry (Dingle Peninsula). Every vote counts, the worst anyone can do is vote no, followed by not voting which is a no vote in effect.


  • #2984
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Strikes me as a bit OCD, tbh, but has the ability to spot when a poster who is only askin' sittin' on a fence is really a No poster in disguise and always thanks them.

    Kind of gives the game away.

    I didn't think of that! Good spot!

    I'll be honest, I was never a No voter, but I would have said when the referendum was announced that I didn't know necessarily how I was voting.

    At worst probably 80-20 for Yes.

    However I educated myself, read up on the issues and then of course it personally affected me in relation to healthcare access.

    Anyone who refers to a caring parent as "sh**e" is not on the fence, they're firmly on the other side with their Love Both badge.


  • #2985
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I try to be optimistic and think the best of people. So I attempt tell myself that these people have their heart somewhat in the right place. They genuinely see abortion as the genocide of the most vulnerable in society. Defenseless babies being murdered.

    And if you had that software running on your neck-top computer.... I wonder what actions you could not justify to yourself in an "ends justify the means" kind of way.

    So I TRY to think the best of people. But when people reach the depths of that person I just referred to..... even I struggle. Some people just want to see the world burn, and people lied to and distressed and hurt.
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Its very telling that despite Savita's father giving permission for her photo to be used on posters to encourage people to vote Yes, the Yes side didn't resort to such tactics.

    Indeed. And I think it would probably help the yes side to show pictures of the dead fetus that is actually representative of abortion. Not these photos of 24 week old fetuses, blown up out of scale to give the viewer the impression that it is as big as a full grown baby.

    If people saw photos, to scale, of what ACTUALLY happens in 98% of abortions..... I think it would help the cause. But we ALSO do not resort to such tactics. Putting dead things on posters is something we have too much class to do in most cases.


  • #2986
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    I try to be optimistic and think the best of people. So I attempt tell myself that these people have their heart somewhat in the right place. They genuinely see abortion as the genocide of the most vulnerable in society. Defenseless babies being murdered.

    And if you had that software running on your neck-top computer.... I wonder what actions you could not justify to yourself in an "ends justify the means" kind of way.

    So I TRY to think the best of people. But when people reach the depths of that person I just referred to..... even I struggle. Some people just want to see the world burn, and people lied to and distressed and hurt.



    Indeed. And I think it would probably help the yes side to show pictures of the dead fetus that is actually representative of abortion. Not these photos of 24 week old fetuses, blown up out of scale to give the viewer the impression that it is as big as a full grown baby.

    If people saw photos, to scale, of what ACTUALLY happens in 98% of abortions..... I think it would help the cause. But we ALSO do not resort to such tactics. Putting dead things on posters is something we have too much class to do in most cases.

    I posted yesterday the dimensions of a 12 week old foetus - imagine a small matchbox, weighing less than an ounce.

    The photograph behind the poster mocked up with Simon Harris was about the size of my niece at her christening and she was 37 days old!

    Lies do NOT help (or I would hope they wouldn't).


  • #2987
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    I try to be optimistic and think the best of people. So I attempt tell myself that these people have their heart somewhat in the right place. They genuinely see abortion as the genocide of the most vulnerable in society. Defenseless babies being murdered.

    No, if they really believed that they would be campaigning against the 13th and 14th, banning the Morning After pill and IVF, etc. etc.

    All this baby murder talk is just scary rhetoric - they don't even want women who have illegal abortions here in ireland jailed.

    They just want to sweep the whole subject under the rug and pretend it is not happening, because the nuns showed them a video once and it is not nice.


  • #2988
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    Indeed. And I think it would probably help the yes side to show pictures of the dead fetus that is actually representative of abortion. Not these photos of 24 week old fetuses, blown up out of scale to give the viewer the impression that it is as big as a full grown baby.

    If people saw photos, to scale, of what ACTUALLY happens in 98% of abortions..... I think it would help the cause. But we ALSO do not resort to such tactics. Putting dead things on posters is something we have too much class to do in most cases.
    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    I posted yesterday the dimensions of a 12 week old foetus - imagine a small matchbox, weighing less than an ounce.

    The photograph behind the poster mocked up with Simon Harris was about the size of my niece at her christening and she was 37 days old!

    Lies do NOT help (or I would hope they wouldn't).

    I dont think showing the reality of the situation shows a lack of class. They wouldn't have to be similar to the graphic images the No side are so proud of. If we dont counteract the lies of the No side how will people know they are lies?


  • #2989
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    I think I was confused for a long time about who these people thought they were fooling with their lies and misrepresentative posters.

    And often I heard people say things like "anyone who has their mind changed by a poster was probably never that smart to begin with" and so on.

    Then it hit me one day, I do not think they ARE trying to change minds with such posters. Rather they are trying to motivate people who are ALREADY convinced by those lies to actually get up, go out, and vote.

    And when you parse the posters through the concept of motivating already decided voters to actually do so, rather than the changing of minds.... it all makes a hell of a lot more sense.


  • #2990
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Met some lovely YES folk on my way to work this morning handing out leaflets. Told them I was a YES voter myself and got a solid nod of the head in return.

    Smiles all around, I am not getting too confident just yet, but its good out there.


  • #2991
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    I’m getting less confident as the days pass, to be honest.

    I know they are widely different topics but the difference in tone between this and the SSM marriage referendum at the same point in that campaign is stark.


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  • #2992
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    I see the yes side have resorted to pegging to ensure people vote :pac:


  • #2993
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    ricero wrote: »
    I see the yes side have resorted to pegging to ensure people vote :pac:

    I hope you don't know what that refers to - or that might be the worst comment I've read here.


  • #2994
    BabysCoffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭BabysCoffee


    ricero wrote: »
    I see the yes side have resorted to pegging to ensure people vote :pac:

    What's Pegging?


  • #2995
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    BabysCoffee wrote: »
    What's Pegging?

    Don't Google it!!!

    Let's just say a lady needs to pop to Ann Summers for .. something. :eek::eek::eek:


  • #2996
    BabysCoffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭BabysCoffee


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Don't Google it!!!

    Let's just say a lady needs to pop to Ann Summers for .. something. :eek::eek::eek:

    Thanks Plane Speaking. I'm sorry I asked....


  • #2997
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    seamus wrote: »
    The posters who are thanking but never commenting, are thread-banned.
    Jebus I better comment so !!

    :p

    Repeal the 8th !! I am pro choice!


  • #2998
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    I’m getting less confident as the days pass, to be honest.

    I know they are widely different topics but the difference in tone between this and the SSM marriage referendum at the same point in that campaign is stark.

    I can understand that. Although I think he NO side are doing themselves no favours with certain "strategies" they are using, there is a fair divide on their side, its just not as obvious.


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  • #3000
    Digs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭Digs


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    Jebus I better comment so !!

    :p

    Repeal the 8th !! I am pro choice!

    Me too!! I’m a serial thanker!
    I have two young daughters and am pregnant with my third baby. I wish I was in the frame of mind to go out canvassing and do all the things the amazing together for yes people are doing but I find it all too emotive, I’d be doing no one any favours by descending into tears of frustration! I can only thank everyone for having the energy to have these frustrating conversations, it’s not easy.


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  • #3001
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Digs wrote: »
    TomSweeney wrote: »
    Jebus I better comment so !!

    :p

    Repeal the 8th !! I am pro choice!

    Me too!! I’m a serial thanker!
    I have two young daughters and am pregnant with my third baby. I wish I was in the frame of mind to go out canvassing and do all the things the amazing together for yes people are doing but I find it all too emotive, I’d be doing no one any favours by descending into tears of frustration! I can only thank everyone for having the energy to have these frustrating conversations, it’s not easy.

    You're doing it for your daughters so good for you!!! Let others do the heavy lifting outside!!!


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