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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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  • #302
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    screamer wrote: »
    I'm voting no. I will not vote to allow the termination of the majority so that the minority and rare exceptions are provided for. Same as I wouldn't vote for capital punishment to potentially allow one innocent to die so the countless guilty could be gotten rid of.

    No to killing healthy little ones.

    Yes to the suffering of women.


  • #303
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Ah now lads, nobody is in any way shape or form responsible for what their vote entails, I mistakenly held that belief but realised otherwise.

    I am not responsible for babies being aborted because I voted to repeal nor are No voters responsible for what they vote for. The 8th would be responsible, not those who vote to retain it.
    Sorrr but I don't see how that can be so. If you vote no and the referendum fails you are partially responsible for negative impacts of the 8th continuing.
    Likewise a yes vote will result in abortions in Ireland, whether it will cause an increase compared to current figures from travel and illegal abortion pills is debatable.
    Your vote though will have an impact


  • #304
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    kylith wrote: »
    screamer wrote: »
    I'm voting no. I will not vote to allow the termination of the majority so that the minority and rare exceptions are provided for. Same as I wouldn't vote for capital punishment to potentially allow one innocent to die so the countless guilty could be gotten rid of.

    No to killing healthy little ones.

    Yes to the suffering of women.

    It matters not what you write. killing healthy babies to alleviate a woman's suffering is not even something I have to think about. No. Not ever.


  • #305
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    screamer wrote: »

    No to killing healthy little ones.

    Shockingly healthy babies will continue to be had!! :) ...regardless of the outcome in the referendum.


  • #306
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    screamer wrote: »

    No to killing healthy little ones.

    Shockingly healthy babies will continue to be had!! :)

    Shockingly healthy babies will die. Babies who would be given loving homes by other people who would love a child and see it as a blessing. Shockingly it seems lifestyle choice is more important than giving a healthy baby life. That's shocking.


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  • #307
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    screamer wrote:
    It matters not what you write. killing healthy babies to alleviate a woman's suffering is not even something I have to think about. No. Not ever.

    Pity this isn't a vote on abortion then.

    Put abortion aside for a sec, what do you think of the 8th amendment?


  • #308
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    screamer wrote: »
    It matters not what you write. killing healthy babies to alleviate a woman's suffering is not even something I have to think about. No. Not ever.

    Alleviating women’s suffering is not something you have to think about?


  • #309
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    screamer wrote: »
    It matters not what you write. killing healthy babies to alleviate a woman's suffering is not even something I have to think about. No. Not ever.

    I would love for you to read the story I posted a few pages back and explain why it's justifiable to retain the 8th.


  • #310
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    screamer wrote:
    Shockingly healthy babies will die. Babies who would be given loving homes by other people who would love a child and see it as a blessing. Shockingly it seems lifestyle choice is more important than giving a healthy baby life. That's shocking.

    Shocking that you haven't read the faq on page 1 of the thread which addresses the issue of domestic adoption and the fact hat it's pretty much nonexistent here! But why let the truth get in the way of a rant about "killing babies" for "lifestyle choices"


  • #311
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    screamer wrote: »
    Shockingly healthy babies will die. Babies who would be given loving homes by other people who would love a child and see it as a blessing. Shockingly it seems lifestyle choice is more important than giving a healthy baby life. That's shocking.

    You think we should do away with the 13th amendment so?

    Being raped,birth derfects,unwanted pregnancy,mental/physical issues pertaining etc. Lifestyle isn't something I'd associate there.


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  • #312
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    Triceratops Ballet wrote: »
    screamer wrote:
    It matters not what you write. killing healthy babies to alleviate a woman's suffering is not even something I have to think about. No. Not ever.

    Pity this isn't a vote on abortion then.

    Put abortion aside for a sec, what do you think of the 8th amendment?
    I think the government is putting the cart before the horse. They are asking for a carter blanche and then they'll decide on the legislation. That opens floodgates which I don't trust the politicians to govern.

    Would I support termination for FFA yes. Will I allow them to legislate to allow the killing of healthy babies to allow that to happen? No. Therefore I vote no. It's not about the 8th. It's the gateway that opens and I'm not giving any government that trust. They cock up on a daily basis as it is. I vote to protect healthy babies from being killed. If the only way to do that is to retain the 8th amendment so be it. No.


  • #313
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    screamer wrote: »
    It matters not what you write. killing healthy babies to alleviate a woman's suffering is not even something I have to think about. No. Not ever.

    How lovely for you to not feel any concern or worry for the suffering you are inflicting on women you’ll never meet.
    You sound absolutely charming.


  • #314
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Screamer, I thought I had seen you post about abortion before so I went and looked. What happened that there was such a dramatic change in such a short period of time?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105897034&postcount=775


  • #315
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    screamer wrote: »
    I think the government is putting the cart before the horse. They are asking for a carter blanche and then they'll decide on the legislation. That opens floodgates which I don't trust the politicians to govern.

    Would I support termination for FFA yes. Will I allow them to legislate to allow the killing of healthy babies to allow that to happen? No. Therefore I vote no. It's not about the 8th. It's the gateway that opens and I'm not giving any government that trust. They cock up on a daily basis as it is. I vote to protect healthy babies from being killed. If the only way to do that is to retain the 8th amendment so be it. No.

    No, it is about the eighth. That’s the whole point of he referendum. The hint is in the name - repeal or retain the EIGHTH amendment.


  • #316
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    kylith wrote: »
    screamer wrote: »
    It matters not what you write. killing healthy babies to alleviate a woman's suffering is not even something I have to think about. No. Not ever.

    Alleviating women’s suffering is not something you have to think about?

    And do you think about the healthy babies who will be killed in that persuit of alleviating suffering?
    I know the answer it's more of a rhetorical question.


  • #317
    Hannibal_Smith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    screamer wrote: »
    I'm voting no. I will not vote to allow the termination of the majority so that the minority and rare exceptions are provided for. Same as I wouldn't vote for capital punishment to potentially allow one innocent to die so the countless guilty could be gotten rid of.

    No to killing healthy little ones.

    I'm voting yes, to allow women the choice to decide what should happen to them. I hope my vote will be in the majority and women are allowed to avail of medical treatments within their own borders, for what ever reason they feel is important to them.

    Yes to women having the freedom to choose what should happen to their own bodies:)


  • #318
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    screamer wrote: »
    I'm voting no. I will not vote to allow the termination of the majority so that the minority and rare exceptions are provided for. Same as I wouldn't vote for capital punishment to potentially allow one innocent to die so the countless guilty could be gotten rid of.

    No to killing healthy little ones.
    screamer wrote: »
    I'm voting no. I will not vote to allow the termination of the majority so that the minority and rare exceptions are provided for. Same as I wouldn't vote for capital punishment to potentially allow one innocent to die so the countless guilty could be gotten rid of.

    No to killing healthy little ones.
    Ah wouldn't you know it
    Another new poster
    So there little ones are they
    Ffs
    Nobody is killing little ones
    But sure you know that already


  • #319
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    screamer wrote: »
    It matters not what you write. killing healthy babies to alleviate a woman's suffering is not even something I have to think about. No. Not ever.

    How lovely for you to not feel any concern or worry for the suffering you are inflicting on women you’ll never meet.
    You sound absolutely charming.
    And you not to think about the babies who will never live. Touche charming person. Touche.


  • #320
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    screamer wrote: »
    And do you think about the healthy babies who will be killed in that persuit of alleviating suffering?
    I know the answer it's more of a rhetorical question.

    The well-being, wants and needs of living citizens should come before those of potential ones.

    If you want to hold higher importance in the value of a >12 week old fetus than yourself or your partner, knock yourself out.
    I shouldn’t have my maternity care compromised or choices taken away from me because of your feelings.
    Especially when I disagree with them.


  • #321
    Hannibal_Smith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    screamer wrote: »
    It matters not what you write. killing healthy babies to alleviate a woman's suffering is not even something I have to think about. No. Not ever.

    That's okay. You can vote in disregard to the rights of someone else if you so feel that's the right thing to do. The woman doesn't even come into the equation for you.


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  • #322
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    screamer wrote: »
    And do you think about the healthy babies who will be killed in that persuit of alleviating suffering?
    I know the answer it's more of a rhetorical question.

    The well-being, wants and needs of living citizens should come before those of potential ones.

    If you want to hold higher importance in the value of a >12 week old fetus than yourself or your partner, knock yourself out.
    I shouldn’t have my maternity care compromised or choices taken away from me because of your feelings.
    Especially when I disagree with them.
    That's your opinion I have my own thank you very much. Knock yourself out there.
    It won't change my vote nor my conscience on this topic.


  • #323
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    Screamer, I thought I had seen you post about abortion before so I went and looked. What happened that there was such a dramatic change in such a short period of time?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105897034&postcount=775

    Waiting for a reply to this.


  • #324
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    screamer wrote: »
    That's your opinion I have my own thank you very much. Knock yourself out there.
    It won't change my vote nor my conscience on this topic.

    Then what changed it in the first place? Like I found in my previous post, you were very much pro-choice only a few short months ago.


  • #325
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    The right to life is the most basic right. If you haven't got that you ain't got anything......


  • #326
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    screamer wrote: »
    And you not to think about the babies who will never live. Touche charming person. Touche.

    I do care about them.
    I care SO much about them that I feel they should only be born if they will be wanted and loved and cherished by their parents.
    If a woman says she cannot offer that, then I believe her, and respect that decision.
    I see no logic or positivity from forcing a woman who neither wants to be pregnant nor to have a baby into motherhood.
    It certainly isn’t in the best interests of the child.


  • #327
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    screamer wrote: »
    That's your opinion I have my own thank you very much. Knock yourself out there.
    It won't change my vote nor my conscience on this topic.

    That’s kind of the whole point.
    A No vote means the whole of society has to live by your morals.
    A Yes vote ensures you can continue to live your life according to those morals and principles, but those who disagree with you can avail of the healthcare they need.
    It allows everyone to form their own opinion on the matter.


  • #328
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    screamer wrote:
    I think the government is putting the cart before the horse. They are asking for a carter blanche and then they'll decide on the legislation. That opens floodgates which I don't trust the politicians to govern.

    Yes because the politicians of Ireland who famously haven't wanted to touch this topic for 34 years will be flip flopping every time the government changes and abortion legislation will be in constant flux. You don't have to trust them you just have to understand they serve their own interests, and that is maintaining their position, salary and pension they won't go flip flopping on anything that endangers that least of all abortion.
    screamer wrote:
    Would I support termination for FFA yes. Will I allow them to legislate to allow the killing of healthy babies to allow that to happen? No. Therefore I vote no. It's not about the 8th. It's the gateway that opens and I'm not giving any government that trust. They cock up on a daily basis as it is. I vote to protect healthy babies from being killed. If the only way to do that is to retain the 8th amendment so be it. No.

    It is 100% about the 8th, that is the question we are being asked. The 8th amendment has an impact on EVERY SINGLE WOMAN OF CHILD BEARING AGE IN THE COUNTRY. Women's lives are give the same value in our constitution, as a foetus which may or may not mature to independent viability.
    That is fundamentally wrong.
    Even if abortion legislation is taken off the table, the 8th has to go.


  • #329
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    Screamer, I thought I had seen you post about abortion before so I went and looked. What happened that there was such a dramatic change in such a short period of time?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105897034&postcount=775

    Waiting for a reply to this.

    Ah I love the diggers on boards. Anyways to answer your question I took a good look at what is being proposed and as I wrote a few posts ago, if it were to legislate for the minority cases fatal fetal abnormalities etc then yes I would support that. But I just cannot in good conscience vote to allow healthy babies ... I can't vote yes to allow healthy babies just be killed off. I can't. Now we can fight and argue till the cows come home but it won't change my feelings nor my vote. No more than I can change yours and I don't want to. When I vote my conscience will be clear as will my decision.


  • #330
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    screamer wrote: »
    And you not to think about the babies who will never live. Touche charming person. Touche.

    WHat about the babies with diagnosis of incompatible with life who will be born only to die minutes or hours later in pain?


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  • #331
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    screamer wrote:
    The right to life is the most basic right. If you haven't got that you ain't got anything......


    Yeah it's rough being a woman alright when your right to life is compromised by the constitution of your country


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