Principal Officer in the Civil Service

Riskymove wrote: »

I know there are people in regions who aren't interested in Dublin jobs

windyout wrote: »

A few reasons I can think of.
For non existing public servants money may be an issue (starting at the bottom of the scale is certainly a factor)
Maybe they didn't like the offer - I'm not sure how this works. If they don't like the offer are they allowed a second offer and if so when?, i.e. do they go back to the end of the queue or do they get the option of accepting the next post that arises?
Maybe they got something else in the meantime

hardybuck wrote: »

More than likely location. People knew the package that was on offer when they applied - and the vast majority will already be Civil Servants.

If you turn down a location you can't get another offer as far as I know. But you might have a second location that you applied for.

Riskymove wrote: »

some on the panel will have gotten a promotion throught other means (internal etc)

Thanks, yes, I'm aware of those possibilities. I was just interested to hear the actual issues in these current cases, if possible.

A colleague of mine turned down a post because it was in Dublin.
I also know someone who turned down a post because they didn't want to work in the particular organisation the post is in. I won't say where but will say that it wasn't a Government Department.

Apparently PAS are up to 23 on the panel now (source: AHCPS). Anyone from outside Dublin get an offer yet?

any more info?

stoney silence for a few weeks now

I know of someone mid thirties who has been placed. Dublin assignment, existing civil servant.

It appears appointments from the PO1 panel have begun so that might lead to more PO vacancies

Rosen wrote: »

Does anyone know if any regional appointments have been made?

apparantly at least one made in Kildare

Maybenever wrote: »

How does the external versus internal work? Or do they just work down through the list for PO?

if departments have an internal panel they must follow a ration of 2 external 1 internal

so 6 vacancies would be:
1 external
2 external
3 internal
4 external
5 external
6 internal

Riskymove wrote: »

More news

clearance has reached to early 40s

It must be just for those interested in Dublin positions as I'm higher than that and haven't been contacted for clearance.

Riskymove wrote: »

if departments have an internal panel they must follow a ration of 2 external 1 internal

so 6 vacancies would be:
1 external
2 external
3 internal
4 external
5 external
6 internal

In reality most Departments don't actually follow the sequence just the principle of 2 external to 1 internal which they attempt to balance over a year. Also posts filled through mobility at PO level count as an open fillings.

Absolutely and this is where it can get messy.

I know there's been no movement in a month.

there has been some movement today it seems

A PQ from May 15th seems to imply they'll be looking to refresh this PO panel in the New Year. Does that sound right?

"To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform when a new round of applications will open for positions (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter." Willie Penrose TD
Details Supplied
Executive Officer, Higher Executive Officer, Administration Officers, Senior Staff Officers, Assistant Principal Officers and Principal Officers

"As the Deputy will be aware, the Public Appointments Service (PAS), is the independent recruiter of people for the civil service through open and interdepartmental competitions.
While there are many factors affecting recruitment the most important are the expected number of staff who will leave in the near future, existing panels in place and the demand for staff based on the work to be carried out by departments/offices.
I understand from PAS that it intends to hold the following competitions in 2018/2019;

Executive Officers Quarter 3 2018
Higher Executive Officers To be decided
Administrative Officers Quarter 3 2018
Assistant Principal Officers Quarter 2 2018
Principal Officers Quarter 1 2019

I would emphasise that these dates are subject to change.
The grade of Staff Officer no longer exists in the civil service."

Bowiegal wrote: »

That’s disappointing if true. That means the current PO panel will be just over 12 months old before they run another open PO competition rather than returning to the order of merit as they have been doing with the current AP panel.

What they've been doing for AP isn't great. Is it 2-3 years since they launched it? People have moved on in their careers and got loads of experience within that timeframe.

It's nearly 12 months since the last PO competition launched, and over 18 months by the time they do it again. I think that's fair enough.