The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

bertieinexile · 15-04-2018 02:42PM

You have my sympathy petalgumdrops.
The reception you have got on this site in the last 2 days comes across to me and, I would guess, to a lot of neutral observers as not very pleasant.
I understand you to be saying that you recieved a misdiagnosis during pregnancy. And you believe that in the uk medical culture - which treats abortion as just one more, easily available, choice - the general thrust of the professional advice you would have received in your situation would have been that you have an abortion.

Nothing is certain.
In the end the decision would have been yours but you believe that if you had had your experience in a medical environment where abortion is normalised, like it is in england, your decision would have been extremely heavily influenced by what those experts were telling you.

You believe that because in Ireland medical professionals operate both
(a) under laws embodying the 8th amnendment in regards to protecting the life of the child and
(b) in a medical culture created by those laws, in which the life of the child is respected, and the care given to mothers is superior to that in the uk as evidenced by our historically better maternal mortality statistics,
more care was taken here. The treatment was more conservative because they knew they were dealing with two lives, not one, and
as a result of that care your son is now alive and a source of great joy in your life,

Am I following what you're saying?

Sofiztikated · 15-04-2018 02:52PM

bertieinexile wrote: »

You have my sympathy petalgumdrops.
The reception you have got on this site in the last 2 days comes across to me and, I would guess, to a lot of neutral observers as not very pleasant.
I understand you to be saying that you recieved a misdiagnosis during pregnancy. And you believe that in the uk medical culture - which treats abortion as just one more, easily available, choice - the general thrust of the professional advice you would have received in your situation would have been that you have an abortion.

Nothing is certain.
In the end the decision would have been yours but you believe that if you had had your experience in a medical environment where abortion is normalised, like it is in england, your decision would have been extremely heavily influenced by what those experts were telling you.

You believe that because in Ireland medical professionals operate both
(a) under laws embodying the 8th amnendment in regards to protecting the life of the child and
(b) in a medical culture created by those laws, in which the life of the child is respected, and the care given to mothers is superior to that in the uk as evidenced by our historically better maternal mortality statistics,
more care was taken here. The treatment was more conservative because they knew they were dealing with two lives, not one, and
as a result of that care your son is now alive and a source of great joy in your life,

Am I following what you're saying?

There's a ****ing suprise, Bertie knows exactly what she means, when people have been asking for days for clarification because the situation as presented wasn't clear. When Bertie himself has a habit of posting confusing stuff, and not clarifying what he mean.

Shadowstrife · 15-04-2018 03:23PM

I'd love to ask an anti-abortion voter, to what lengths they would prevent me from accessing an abortion.

'Tie me up? Physically restrain me in hand-cuffs? Lock me in a cell? '

15-04-2018 03:24PM

bertieinexile wrote: »

You have my sympathy petalgumdrops.
The reception you have got on this site in the last 2 days comes across to me and, I would guess, to a lot of neutral observers as not very pleasant.
I understand you to be saying that you recieved a misdiagnosis during pregnancy. And you believe that in the uk medical culture - which treats abortion as just one more, easily available, choice - the general thrust of the professional advice you would have received in your situation would have been that you have an abortion.

Nothing is certain.
In the end the decision would have been yours but you believe that if you had had your experience in a medical environment where abortion is normalised, like it is in england, your decision would have been extremely heavily influenced by what those experts were telling you.

You believe that because in Ireland medical professionals operate both
(a) under laws embodying the 8th amnendment in regards to protecting the life of the child and
(b) in a medical culture created by those laws, in which the life of the child is respected, and the care given to mothers is superior to that in the uk as evidenced by our historically better maternal mortality statistics,
more care was taken here. The treatment was more conservative because they knew they were dealing with two lives, not one, and
as a result of that care your son is now alive and a source of great joy in your life,

Am I following what you're saying?

Any links to prove the level of care in Ireland is better than England given that the 8th is in place. Even leaving out abortion links can be found to show the level of care in the uk is better than in Ireland.

http://www.alittlelondoner.com/having-a-baby-in-ireland-vs-the-uk/

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/is-ireland-one-of-the-safest-places-to-have-a-baby-1.2114322

https://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/views-from-the-nhs-frontline/2017/oct/02/pregnancy-rights-ireland-eight-amendment-control-women-tolerated-treatment-refused

lazygal · 15-04-2018 03:37PM

Amniocentesis is 100% conclusive. There's no false diagnosis after it. And it doesn't mean the eighth amendment saves anyone. You still choose whether to continue the pregnancy unless you can't travel.

B0jangles · 15-04-2018 03:45PM

B0jangles wrote: »

In my own local area , the Tidy Towns organizations have asked both campaigns not to put up posters.

Guess which campaign did as they were asked?

Guess which campaign ignored the request and is putting up posters anyway?

http://wicklownews.net/2018/04/tidy-towns-groups-are-asking-for-posters-not-to-be-erected-during-referendum-campaign/
http://wicklownews.net/2018/04/south-wicklow-together-for-yes-to-support-tidy-towns-will-not-erect-posters-in-towns-around-wicklow-county/

Since I was up the street, I took a couple of photos as proof:

All the NO campaign posters are highlighted in red.

The ones illegally placed on ESB poles had been cut down this morning, but you can see the remains of the NO campaign poster left on the pole - the colour is identical to the ones still hanging.

HappyAsLarE · 15-04-2018 03:56PM

Shadowstrife wrote: »

I'd love to ask an anti-abortion voter, to what lengths they would prevent me from accessing an abortion.

'Tie me up? Physically restrain me in hand-cuffs? Lock me in a cell? '

Lock you in a cell. That is generally what happens to law breakers.

reubenreuben · 15-04-2018 04:03PM

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

Lock you in a cell. That is generally what happens to law breakers.

And force feed you lies upon lies to brainwash you

( clockwork orange style)

PopePalpatine · 15-04-2018 04:23PM

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

Lock you in a cell. That is generally what happens to law breakers.

You're not going to win over the floating voters with your shrill extremism.

amdublin · 15-04-2018 05:05PM

Article today in response to Katie Ascough
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/abortion-referendum/being-young-and-prolife-isnt-taboo-its-just-out-of-touch-young-pharmacist-responds-to-katie-ascough-36799756.html

Annasopra · 15-04-2018 06:00PM

petalgumdrops wrote: »

Please go back and actually state at what point I said a Lab called me? Fetal Medicine consultants spoke with me after labs processed my CVS.

If you bother to actually inform yourself insted of spouting crap and disputing/twisting everything I said.

To be fair your story is disjointed over dozens of posts.

Trasna1 · 15-04-2018 06:16PM

If people are pulling down posters can they take down the cable ties as well.

Cabaal · 15-04-2018 06:19PM

Pro life campaigners breaking the law by not only stopping illegally on a motorway to put these up (also illegal) but also then pulling out ladders and walking around.

For a group of people that claim to care about life they are looking to kill themselves and others with such idiotic actions.

Hope they are prosecuted for putting motorists at risk

robarmstrong · 15-04-2018 06:21PM

Trasna1 wrote: »

If people are pulling down posters can they take down the cable ties as well.

Those cable ties are actually reserved for some pro-life individuals to be used upon the pregnant women they are so eager to force to give birth, so they have to stay, sorry.

15-04-2018 06:29PM

Trasna1 wrote: »

If people are pulling down posters can they take down the cable ties as well.

Time for you and others to complain to save the 8th campain for placing them there in the first place, despite being prohibited, and then the ESB for leaving the ties there, as stated by the poster who took the photos the posters were removed by the ESB.

Shadowstrife · 15-04-2018 06:36PM

Hold on a minute- I think they are allowed on the steel poles but not the timber ones. Or are they definitely illegal? I don't think the ESB has the power to make it 'illegal', just against public safety.

Tearing down No posters, no matter how mis-informational, won't do the yes side any favors.

15-04-2018 06:36PM

Given the problems that the ESB describe by prohibited posters being placed on poles, and the costs invloved in removing them, do the ESB go after the owning organisation to recover the costs?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/referendum-posters-on-electricity-poles-will-be-removed--esb-836059.html

Fred Swanson · 15-04-2018 06:43PM

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Shadowstrife · 15-04-2018 06:53PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Being in Donegal where there is law of the jungle, I see loads of No posters on timber poles, up now for over a week.

Either the local ESB don't care, or don't want to get involved.

So where the heck are the posters supposed to go up, if not on poles? What other types of poles are there, lol.

Ban all election posters anyway. The internet exists now.

gctest50 · 15-04-2018 06:58PM

Shadowstrife wrote: »

.........

Ban all election posters anyway. The internet exists now.

For sure, and remove all those 40 foot long adverts - place is destroyed with them

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11250670/Grenoble-to-replace-street-advertising-with-trees-and-community-spaces.html

Ms Lheureux said there had been billboards in Grenoble since 1976 but that they were now "obsolete" and no longer "corresponded to the expectations of the inhabitants who want to reclaim public space."

B0jangles · 15-04-2018 07:00PM

B0jangles wrote: »

The ones illegally placed on ESB poles had been cut down this morning, but you can see the remains of the NO campaign poster left on the pole - the colour is identical to the ones still hanging.

Just wanted to add that ONLY the ESB pole posters are gone as far as I can tell, and they were hung well out of anyone's reach unless they had a long ladder or a cherry-picker, so it does appear that they were removed by the ESB themselves.

Shadowstrife · 15-04-2018 07:05PM

I called the ESB a few days ago to report all the timber poll posters in my area.

She promptly brushed me off the line. Interesting...

Edward M · 15-04-2018 07:08PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Pro life campaigners breaking the law by not only stopping illegally on a motorway to put these up (also illegal) but also then pulling out ladders and walking around.

For a group of people that claim to care about life they are looking to kill themselves and others with such idiotic actions.

Hope they are prosecuted for putting motorists at risk

[img][/img]https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/5198/448288.jpg

Its terrible isn't it!
https://lovindublin.com/dublin/pro-life-pro-choice-posters-traffic

BabysCoffee · 15-04-2018 07:08PM

Saw a Yes poster today hung at very low height - pretty much at eye level when walking. I've never seen that before.

Spanish Eyes · 15-04-2018 07:17PM

Three weeks to go before I am out of this country until 24th May. That was a deliberate choice. Back to vote, but miss the last minute frenzy and the shyte and the posters on the poles too. Yee ha.

captbarnacles · 15-04-2018 07:38PM

Shadowstrife wrote: »

I'd love to ask an anti-abortion voter, to what lengths they would prevent me from accessing an abortion.

'Tie me up? Physically restrain me in hand-cuffs? Lock me in a cell? '

Nothing is the answer. Absolutely nothing. As long as it doesn't happen in a clinic or hospital here. NIMBY all the way.

applehunter · 15-04-2018 07:46PM

BabysCoffee wrote: »

Saw a Yes poster today hung at very low height - pretty much at eye level when walking. I've never seen that before.

#midgets4repeal

robarmstrong · 15-04-2018 08:22PM

applehunter wrote: »

#midgets4repeal

The repeal campaign caters to people of all heights, instead of the pro-life one, which is clearly focused on people well over 10 feet tall!! :mad:

Water John · 15-04-2018 08:24PM

If you have a disability, you're fair game, after your born, of course.

Ave Sodalis · 15-04-2018 08:28PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

The repeal campaign caters to people of all heights, instead of the pro-life one, which is clearly focused on people well over 10 feet tall!! :mad:

It makes it easier to look down their noses at all the murderers from up on their ladders

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