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Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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  • #3632
    KBurke85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭KBurke85


    I see people have been saying that Ulster should put a call into the Irfu about getting Byrne or Carbery. It wouldn’t be as simple as that. They would have to give their consent to making such a move. No guarantee they would or wouldn’t want to do that


  • #3633
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jm08 wrote: »
    Gilroy wasn't out with them which suggests that maybe he has a better lifestyle. Asking them that question suggests that this is a normal night out for the 2 lads and their attitude to women.


    No, just no.

    Having a threesome is not a cause for termination, in any role, ever. People's sexual preferences can not be a reason to fire someone (as long as no crime committed).

    They are being fired for their Group conversations of which Gilroy instigated the "Spit-roast" comment.

    So why is he only suspended


  • #3634
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    #byebyepaddy now trending.


  • #3635
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Deleted User wrote: »
    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Maybe things have changed, but I always see my guests to the door and often to their cars. I don't think I've ever outsourced that job to another guest.

    I've been to countless house parties in my early 20s and if the house owner was even still awake when I was leaving I'd be surprised if they acknowledged me on the way out the door.

    This wasn't a dinner party like.

    Also, Jackson thought the blood was menstrual and didn't mention it to her because he didn't want to embarrass the girl.

    Man he is getting serious benefit here, we'll take his word for it, he should not persye a medical career if he can't tell fresh from mentrual blood.

    So these parties you leave, they won't even walk you to the door when one of the guests semen is on your pants?


  • #3636
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    durthacht wrote: »
    I despair at this thread.

    Even Jackson and Olding in their public statements this afternoon have accepted that their behaviour was unacceptable, and accepted the IRFU decision to fire them as a result. They are now behaving with some dignity and maturity.

    If they accept their actions were unacceptable and accept the IRFU firing them as a result, then I don't understand why others in this forum are still trying to excuse their behaviour.

    Olding's statement was that he was surprised and disappointed. Doesn't sound like he agree's with it at all.


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  • #3637
    Felix Plain Rent
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Felix Plain Rent


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    The context here is clearly hypothetical. There was nothing hypothetical about the conversation the lads had.

    But I really don't understand the continued focus on their conversation. There's a wider attitudinal problem that is only reinforced by the conversations.

    So the context here is that we have a discussion forum, where we can discuss things. We're both aware it's a public forum, but it's also not exactly facebook/twitter. We both know we're writing messages that are available to other, unknown people to read and comment on. In fact, we're actively engaging because of this.

    Do you adopt the same tone when texting your other half?

    If all of your messages were read totally tone deaf out into the public domain, would you have a job?


  • #3638
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I've been to countless house parties in my early 20s and if the house owner was even still awake when I was leaving I'd be surprised if they acknowledged me on the way out the door.

    This wasn't a dinner party like.

    Also, Jackson thought the blood was menstrual and didn't mention it to her because he didn't want to embarrass the girl.


    I've been at parties where I've had to leave early next morning and woke no one (including anyone I was with that night). I have also been there where I would be the one left in bed asleep. None of us would have been surprised at that


  • #3639
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I've been to countless house parties in my early 20s and if the house owner was even still awake when I was leaving I'd be surprised if they acknowledged me on the way out the door.

    This wasn't a dinner party like.

    Also, Jackson thought the blood was menstrual and didn't mention it to her because he didn't want to embarrass the girl.
    It was a small and very intimate party. About as many guests as an average dinner party. And PJ was clearly awake.

    One guest felt it incumbent on him to see the girl out and home. The same consideration seemd to have been lost on the host.


  • #3640
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    #byebyepaddy now trending.

    Where? I don't see it on any trending lists?


  • #3641
    DDC1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Those statements hint that the lads have been involved in the process.

    There doesn't seem to be any anger at the decision which would be natural if you felt that your employment had been terminated unfairly.

    I'd imagine the IRFU and Ulster Rugby have helped them to find a club abroad and the "termination" has been made very public the ease the pressure from sponsors and the public.

    Pure speculation on my behalf though.


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  • #3642
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,591 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    durthacht wrote: »
    I despair at this thread.

    Even Jackson and Olding in their public statements this afternoon have accepted that their behaviour was unacceptable, and accepted the IRFU decision to fire them as a result. They are now behaving with some dignity and maturity.

    If they accept their actions were unacceptable and accept the IRFU firing them as a result, then I don't understand why others in this forum are still trying to excuse their behaviour.

    Because it's pointless for them to do anything else.

    I'm not sure exactly what was.so.bad about Jackson's behaviour.


  • #3643
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So the context here is that we have a discussion forum, where we can discuss things. We're both aware it's a public forum, but it's also not exactly facebook/twitter. We both know we're writing messages that are available to other, unknown people to read and comment on. In fact, we're actively engaging because of this.

    Do you adopt the same tone when texting your other half?

    If all of your messages were read totally tone deaf out into the public domain, would you have a job?
    What tone? :confused:


  • #3644
    Felix Plain Rent
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Felix Plain Rent


    joseywhales wrote: »
    Yes context is important but your whole argument is predicated on them being fired for their WhatsApp involvement which I think is not true.

    They showed a complete lack of respect for their injured female guest at the very least, the fact that they boasted about it later is only slightly relevant.

    I don't know about you but I liked to be judged for how I treat people not what I say.

    Is that a sacking offence?!


  • #3645
    durthacht
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭durthacht


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Olding's statement was that he was surprised and disappointed. Doesn't sound like he agree's with it at all.

    He made no reference to a legal challenge though, so he accepts the decision.


  • #3646
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Synode wrote: »
    Disgraceful decision by the IRFU/Ulster. The players have suffered a total breach of their right to privacy. Now compounded with losing their job.

    If Bank of Ireland and Vodafone have been as involved in this as its been made out I swear I'm closing my bank accounts with them, selling the few shares I have and changing phone providers. Complete and utter hypocrisy from them

    The sponsors thing will give everyone a bogeyman to blame and help us all avoid the conclusion that IRFU did the right thing.

    If you think AIB and Three, or Ulster Bank and Eir, would have acted any differently, then no, you're wrong.

    Aldi, Glenisk, Diageo, Aviva - none of these companies would want to be associated with this. They sponsor IRFU for very specific reasons and this whole affair is something that no company wants to be associated with. It's utterly toxic.

    The sponsors would not have been happy but the reasons for their unhappiness would be exactly the same as IRFU's reasons for dumping the two players. Everyone would have been on the same hymn sheet on this.

    The IRFU have done the right thing for Irish rugby. That's their job.


  • #3647
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,226 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    joseywhales wrote: »
    Man he is getting serious benefit here, we'll take his word for it, he should not persye a medical career if he can't tell fresh from mentrual blood.

    So these parties you leave, they won't even walk you to the door when one of the guests semen is on your pants?

    ???

    She was not only walked to the door, but she was accompanied home in a taxi.

    What are you on about?


  • #3648
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Amirani wrote: »
    Because it's pointless for them to do anything else.

    I'm not sure exactly what was.so.bad about Jackson's behaviour.


    I'm still at a loss myself.

    I don't remember there being any calls about misandry when the biggest show in the world was Sex in the City.
    Christ imagine if text message threads about that show came out of women's history??


  • #3649
    Felix Plain Rent
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Felix Plain Rent


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    What tone? :confused:

    The tone that we use on here, knowing that everything we write is available to other people to muse on.

    Is that the same tone that you write each and every message to each person / group that you are involved in?

    It absolutely is not for me.


  • #3650
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,728 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    joseywhales wrote: »
    Man he is getting serious benefit here, we'll take his word for it, he should not persye a medical career if he can't tell fresh from mentrual blood.

    So these parties you leave, they won't even walk you to the door when one of the guests semen is on your pants?
    How many blokes do you think can tell the difference ffs?


  • #3651
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    joseywhales wrote: »
    Man he is getting serious benefit here, we'll take his word for it, he should not persye a medical career if he can't tell fresh from mentrual blood.

    WTF....??? you are the one that is very confused here.
    joseywhales wrote: »

    So these parties you leave, they won't even walk you to the door when one of the guests semen is on your pants?

    This is just utterly bizarre. So you can't leave a house after a one night stand if the other person falls asleep and can't check your pants before you go?


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  • #3652
    jk23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 877 ✭✭✭jk23


    Pj and SO have been released from their contracts. Kobe Byrant and Robin Van Persie we’re both involved in similar cases and both were brought back to the Lakers and Arsenal respectively


  • #3653
    durthacht
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭durthacht


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is that a sacking offence?!

    If there is a code of conduct as part of the contract, and their behaviour violated that code, then conceivably they were in breach of the contract and it could be a sackable offence. I assume they recognise this and that is why they have both accepted the IRFU action to fire them.


  • #3654
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    awec wrote: »
    How many blokes do you think can tell the difference ffs?

    They are the exact same. Source: They are the exact same.

    Blood is blood, I've no idea what your man is on about.


  • #3655
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm still at a loss myself.

    I don't remember there being any calls about misandry when the biggest show in the world was Sex in the City.
    Christ imagine if text message threads about that show came out of women's history??
    They have a contract that clearly (based on the outcome) has a code of conduct clause or clauses. That they were found to be in breach of. The fact that they were revoked underlines this.

    A very recent example of this is what happened to Teddy Thomas and some of his French team mates after the Edinburgh incident. They were all dropped from the French Team and in addition, Thomas was fined by his club. For a breach of his ethics clause.


  • #3656
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    They have a contract that clearly (based on the outcome) has a code of conduct clause or clauses. That they were found to be in breach of. The fact that they were revoked underlines this.

    A very recent example of this is what happened to Teddy Thomas and some of his French team mates after the Edinburgh incident. They were all dropped from the French Team and in addition, Thomas was fined by his club. For a breach of his ethics clause.


    Why was Gilroy only suspended?

    You can not fire someone for their sexual preference


  • #3657
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Where? I don't see it on any trending lists?

    I've looked it up and it's absolutely not trending according to any tools I've used. It's been tweeted less than 10 times according to them.

    People making up things like this just causes this continual cycle of outrage. I never understand why they do it.


  • #3658
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    They have a contract that clearly (based on the outcome) has a code of conduct clause or clauses. That they were found to be in breach of. The fact that they were revoked underlines this.

    A very recent example of this is what happened to Teddy Thomas and some of his French team mates after the Edinburgh incident. They were all dropped from the French Team and in addition, Thomas was fined by his club. For a breach of his ethics clause.

    That happened in public.


  • #3659
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,405 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The tone that we use on here, knowing that everything we write is available to other people to muse on.

    Is that the same tone that you write each and every message to each person / group that you are involved in?

    It absolutely is not for me.
    Again, I can only speak for myself. What tone am I using that you think I wouldn't use elsewhere?


  • #3660
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I've looked it up and it's absolutely not trending according to any tools I've used. It's been tweeted less than 10 times according to them.

    People making up things like this just causes this continual cycle of outrage. I never understand why they do it.

    I opened twitter and it's on the left hand side, does that not mean it's trending?


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  • #3661
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Deleted User wrote: »
    joseywhales wrote: »
    Yes context is important but your whole argument is predicated on them being fired for their WhatsApp involvement which I think is not true.

    They showed a complete lack of respect for their injured female guest at the very least, the fact that they boasted about it later is only slightly relevant.

    I don't know about you but I liked to be judged for how I treat people not what I say.

    Is that a sacking offence?!


    Yeah if you are a public figure it might be, you are representing the organisation and are high profile.

    Like to have a girl back, have her leave with a bleeding injury, to avoid her, not check in or call and then boast about the night afterward is bad for a 19 year old but an experienced professional representative it's really bad. It also could be that this is not the first time and could be a behavioral pattern. I don't want one of the faces of my organisation out in my grassroots community behaving like that. He would make people hate Ulster rugby in the community.


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